What wrong with this leaf?

[Flyinghigh]

Ok i come home to find this and there seem to be a few more and some got brown spots.
Ph is 6.8 that with a 6 way pool test..
Have a moister tester and it been wet as far as I can Push the poker in.
Food has been Miracle Grow.
Temp been 80.
Humidy is 55 to 60.
Lights I haded another 105 watt cfl's and total of 43,600 lumen, total watts of cfl's lights 497 w.
12/12 8 weeks sunday..
So what wrong?
Trichome r startting to turn cloudy at some spots to what i can see and each morning I find the bud getting taller on top.

[bombbudpuffa]

If it's a bottom leaf probably nothing.

[MrPuffAlot]

Old age... if its a leaf here and there, i wouldn't worry.
no plant grows perfectly.

Now if it was the whole plant turning that way, then its a concern.

[Flyinghigh]

It is about the middle and most of the bottom leafs r gone..
what if it the other leafs are getting it on top ??

[MrPuffAlot]

Ill go out on the limb and say that Miracle grow is lacking/or too much of something.


Take the plant outside, and get your hose, and let the hose run lightly and put
the hose in your pot, and let it flush for 20 minutes.

Then
Get some Dolimite Lime and sprinkle some and mix in the top
of your soil and water. Could be lack of Mg and other trace nutrients.

Goodluck

[Flyinghigh]

U know what I just go out andtake a pix of it !! Lights r on and I want to see..

[Flyinghigh]

Ok I am seeing more brown leaf!!
If it the MG then, mixing is the problem, what to do ?
How much of MG mix do I use for water? 1 tablespoon to a gal of water!
I did switch from all purpose MG to flower Bloom MG.

[Flyinghigh]

Ill go out on the limb and say that Miracle grow is lacking/or too much of something.


Take the plant outside, and get your hose, and let the hose run lightly and put
the hose in your pot, and let it flush for 20 minutes.

Then
Get some Dolimite Lime and sprinkle some and mix in the top
of your soil and water. Could be lack of Mg and other trace nutrients.

Goodluck

Dolimite lime ?
What about nitrogen? can it be lacking? if so i got some for my grass will that work?

[bombbudpuffa]

How often do you water? Looks like a lil overwatering maybe.

[Flyinghigh]

How often do you water? Looks like a lil overwatering maybe.

Haven't watered for a 2 week and finally a week ago i gotten a moister tester and it was wet and notice the leafs turnning this way and then I gave them some good watering and it still didn't help just more brown spotted leafs..

I thought I was doing good till the leafs started that browning crap..
Looked at them when I got home and I pulled alot off..

I also notice that the leafs were brittle and when pulled on they brake before the stem.

[bombbudpuffa]

Haven't watered for a 2 week and finally a week ago i gotten a moister tester and it was wetStill wet after 2 weeks without water?!? Check the ph of your soil and adjust the ph of your water to 6.2-6.6. Don't give any nutes just in case it's a ph problem because ph probs can cause nute lockout and there is probably plenty in the soil.

[Flyinghigh]

Still wet after 2 weeks without water?!? Check the ph of your soil and adjust the ph of your water to 6.2-6.6. Don't give any nutes just in case it's a ph problem because ph probs can cause nute lockout and there is probably plenty in the soil.


So how u check the ph in the soil ?
I check the water before I add it to the soil..
So add more limon juice to the water or vinger.

I weeded out Alll the small branches that had really nothng on and picked all those bad leafs off..

[Sticky_Budz]

hey bro sorry to hear that ur plant isn't doing well. how is your drainage in your pots? also do u just have straight soil in them would help if u had some river rock or something to help your drainage and does your mg say moisture control on it? and what are the temps in your room? and how is the humidity do u have a fan on them. when i look at your plants i want to say they were water logged at one point and where it was still wet after two weeks would mean that it could have been. The leaves will look like that and start to dry out as they are dieing make sure u keep cutting the dead ones off good luck hope u find your problem peace

[Sticky_Budz]

Overwatering - this practice only serves to weaken the root system by depriving the roots of proper gas exchange. IOW, the roots are not getting enough oxygen which creates an anerobic condition causing root decline and root rot with the end result showing up as leaf stress, stunted growth, and in severe cases, death. Alot of times folks think the plant is not getting enough plant food (which it can't under such adverse conditions), they add more nutes for a "curative", and just add insult to injury

[Geter-D1]

the way them leaves look it looks like they have a bad nutrient burn , have you flushed them yet like mr puffalot suggested , i would do that , after flushing you can give them , 1 tablespoon epsom salt to 1 gallon of water it will help , the nutrient lock up , if that is your problem like killng two birds with 1 , stone ..just watch for 3 or 4 days you should see a change by than ....

[KingKahuuna]

I agree,
I'm going to go with Sticky_Buds on this one. You gave the clue plain and simple when you said, "Haven't watered for a 2 week and finally a week ago i gotten a moister tester and it was wet" That tells me you are suffering from a drainage issue. Be sure that you place something inside the bottom of the container. I like to use broken clay pot pieces as that is a great spacer between soil and bottom of the container where the drain holes are at.
Good luck bro,
smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

[Geter-D1]

thnx king i missed the water thing in the middle of the post , if thats the case id have to agree with sticky and you i should of read all tho post i was trying to figure where sticky got the water thing , when i come back just didnt seem right :hitchair:

[Flyinghigh]

Well folks That what I went and checked it wet badly and how I did that was I poked a hole at the side 8 inch from the bottom and it soaked..

And Yes I am seeing a drainage problem I think, but I don't under stand that because I have 1 and 1 1/2 inch rocks at the bottom and on top of that I do have dirt on that, and there alot at the bottom of this 6gal fruit tree bucket with BIG Holes and top soil is MG and over half is MG though.. Which this dirt isn't worth it, Adobe clay.. This won't happen again with MUD Lol..

So what would be a good way to drain it?

Stick a rod down the side of the bucket or try to put a screw driver in the drainage holes and move the rock?

[Geter-D1]

you can take a rod above the drain hole at the top of the pot and slide it straight down to the drain , it will leave a tunnel for the water to drain , but this will not solve the long term problem, you can get a pot 1 size bigger and use reg potting soil , not dirt , transplant it and fill the bottom and sides with potting this will let it drain .....

[bombbudpuffa]

I found your problem. It's the mj soil AND your ph. MG is too acidic and should have a buffer added like lime or oyster shells. You can get a soil ph test at walmart. The overwatering symptoms are occuring because you have ph problems. I guarantee if you adjust the ph of your medium and your feeding water you will see a big difference.

[Sticky_Budz]

Both of these leaves are from the same plant. It could be over fertilization, but more likely it is due to the pH being off. Too high or too low a pH can lock up nutrients in the form of undisolvable salts and compounds, some of which are actually toxic to the plants. What then happens is the grower then tries to supplement the plants diet by adding more fertilizers, throwing off the pH even more and locking up even more nutrients. This type of problem is seen more often in soil mixes, where inconsistent mixing of the medium's components leads to "hot" spots

[clever_intuition]

There's a good chance that this leaf was subjected to nutrient solution burn. These symptoms are seen when the EC concentration of hydroponic solutions is too high. These symptoms also appear when strong nutrient solution is splashed onto the leaves under hot HID lamps, causing the leaves to burn under the solution.


Figure 2

Many hydroponic gardeners see this problem. It's the beginning of nutrient burn. It indicates that the plants have all the nutrients they can possibly use, and there's a slight excess. Back off the concentration of the nutrient solution just a touch, and the problem should disappear. Note that if the plants never get any worse than this leaf (figure 3), then the plants are probably just fine. Figure 4 is definitely an over-fert problem. The high level of nutrients accumulates in the leaves and causes them to dry out and burn up as shown here. You must flush with clear, clean water immediately to allow the roots to recover, and prevent further damage. Now find the cause of the high nutrient levels.

[clever_intuition]

These are the pictures that paragraph is refering too.

[Sticky_Budz]

i dont think it is nute burn go to his first post read it says he watered it two weeks ago and check the soil and it was still wet. i could be wrong who knows but i definitely say dont flush your plant until u are sure what the problem is peace

[HGB]

Figure 2



where's figure 2 at

[KingKahuuna]

Ist page, 10th post from the top. The chance to play super sleuth with a problem like this is cool, we all learn. Geter caught it also. regardless what is going on with your Ph, the soil should have adequate drainage. Roots can be damaged fast when subjected to mushy, stagnant water. That alone will mess up the chemistry not to mention what happens when you start adding the goodies that your plant feeds on. The cure however might be worse than the bite at this point, but the best solution was mentioned by Geter. Fair warning, go at it easy and gently tap away the bottom soil that smells foul. Healthy soil has a good musty smell to it, but if it's bad then it will start to smell a little like sulpherous eggs yuck !!! Fresh potting soil, good drainage, and hate to say it , but a fast flush will help get it all back under control. I know that the idea of watering, when you just fixed the problem sounds nuts, but you will need to do this too flush out the excess salts and build up of nutrients.
Good luck dude, keep us posted, and we will think good thoughts, and send you a little bit of this GREEN MOJO This should get you back up and flying, peace. GREEN MOJO 4.JPG (http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=31644&stc=1&d=1187490329)

smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

[Flyinghigh]

Thanks everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am still believing it a waater log problem, the reason I say that I had a cover around the top of the pots that has a Alum, foil on it and this stuff was for instaltion and I had cover it, so I am thinking that since the light couldn't get to the soil well it was vaporating well..
I read on the box for MG it is15-30-15. would this be to much?
When mixing MG, go by what it says on the box? should I cut it in half when mixing?
Ok I went to check the girls out I am seeing like crystals stuff on the fan leafs when looking into my microscope and it has a smooth looking texture on it, and alot of leaf has this... here is a pix. of wht I am talking about..
Those black spot I am not for sure what they r..
this leaf is right at the bud begains..

What about Mites can it cause it too?? I seen 1 on a leaf the other day just strolling around on it yamaha?? :D and haven't seen anymore !

[bombbudpuffa]

I would not feed that plant anything. Looks like you are having a host of problems with it. I'd transplant it into a larger pot. Flushing a plant thats been waterlogged for a couple weeks is just waterlogging it more imo. I'd transplant.

[Flyinghigh]

I would not feed that plant anything. Looks like you are having a host of problems with it. I'd transplant it into a larger pot. Flushing a plant thats been waterlogged for a couple weeks is just waterlogging it more imo. I'd transplant.

No I can't transplant ! The pot I got it in now is from a tree pot and it 8 gallons.
I would be to scared to try transplanting with out braking the roots some where, I think that be to Much!:eek:
I am thinking of putting a light around the bottom to help dry the pot out! Think that will work ?
I am going to let it do what ever it going to do !!
I know today it been flowering for 8 weeks now and the trichome is cloudy and I'll wait for 12 weeks or intil I see something different..
No More Water or food for her for a while !!!

[longtimegrower]

Hey i had the same problem. If your using all clfs and have a large thick plant the light cant` reach the bottom to make it bud and after the top gets so thick and the bottom so old i think the plant just dies off from the bottom up. Not anything that will help it i don`t think. Its going to bud on the top and not on the bottom plus its probally root bound from being so big and thats adding to the problem. Slim Good luck

[Flyinghigh]

Hey i had the same problem. If your using all clfs and have a large thick plant the light cant` reach the bottom to make it bud and after the top gets so thick and the bottom so old i think the plant just dies off from the bottom up. Not anything that will help it i don`t think. Its going to bud on the top and not on the bottom plus its probally root bound from being so big and thats adding to the problem. Slim Good luck

Yes I am using cfl lites and as far as the light goes I have 2 26 watts on the bottom and in the future I am going to add more down there..
I have had to cut out some of the bottom branches that Didn't have much on them. As for the leafs, it just not on the bottom it is on top too very very little but NOT as bad as the bottom

I figure that it will take it course on what ever it going to do, the over watering will go away..

I think Mutt said that I shouldn't make a set date to harvest and I am not going to do that, intil I can see more amber trichome.

[HippyInEngland]

Its ready when its ready, you cant say on the *day of *month its ready to harvest, use a magnifyer and keep an eye on the trics, the plant will tell you herself when she is ripe for the cut.

Hippy

[Flyinghigh]

Got one those microscope and I am keeping a eye on them..