A Question For Marpassion

[Stoney Bud]

Hey Marp,

If you're now going to allow commercial growers to use this site and post obvious large scale grows with multiple houses and hundreds of pounds of weed that they make clear are for nothing but sales, how does the Holland Government think about this?

Will this draw any bad attention to your site? If it pisses off the Holland Government, is there a chance that they could confiscate the server and all of the IP addresses of every member that's ever been on this site?

If the use of this site turns toward allowing growers who are obvious large scale growers for street sales, could this possibly influence the Holland Government to do anything on a legal basis to this site?

How does Holland view large scale sales of Marijuana and large grow operations? Are they legal in Holland? Is it legal in Holland to openly talk about large grows of many hundreds of plants in huge grow ops?

Fill us all in on this Marp. If this is something that might get Hollands Government pissed off at this site, I'm getting out of here before that happens. I would expect every single post of mine to be deleted and all records of my membership to be erased as well.

If the Holland Government could get involved with this site on a legal basis, I want nothing to do with it.

Please, tell us all how this type of thing is viewed by your Government and could they get mad about it?

I became a member of this site with the understanding that this is a site for individual growers to grow for their own use. No kids under 18 have ever been allowed and up until now, no talk of sales has been allowed.

Now you have a member who openly discusses having many hundreds of plants growing for sales and who uses many houses as grow ops.

What's going on? Is the site now allowing this?

Stoney.

[choking_victim]

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and you're wondering about this now?

In Holland it is legal to have up to 30g from what i've read. I don't believe any country allows you to grow huge amounts of weed. maybe morocco...? or maybe it's just that in morocco it grows freely like that.

here are the laws for ''drugs'' around the world.
http://eldd.emcdda.europa.eu/index.cfm?fuseaction=public.Content&nNodeID=5769&sLanguageISO=EN

[Oscar]

A 28 is a green light here too.

[SFC]

You know....I am not for large ommercial grows either, but having said that makinga big stink about it might be a bit of overkill. This guy (whoever it is) is the one that should be concerned. If I were him I would not be sharing, way to risky when your playing bigtime.

Stoney what do you judge as too many plants? WHo is commercial,and who is personal use? If you have sold a bag are you now commercial? Cause if that is the case there are a whole bunch of us that would be in that category.

I started out the summer with 40 clones outdoors. I ended up with 2. If all forty would have made it I would have been happy as hell, I stil am happy as hell.

In synopsis I think there are more important matters to worry ones self with.

One more thing. The plant should be legal to grow in the first place.....

[MarPassion]

Hi Stoney,

As far as I know we're free to dicuss the growing of marijuana, i'm not sure if there would be a limit to the size of grows you can talk about.

But I agree it's not a good thing to discuss these growing operations, it could get attention from the wrong people.

A solution could be to only allow posting pictures and not discuss the grow methods. The gallery should be a fit for that. But then we have to put up another rule and poeple don't like rules. Also where do we draw the line between small grow and big grow?

If the mods starting to delete those threads with big op grows, then other members would starting bashing the mods because they didn't think there was a reason for deleting it. Because actually they really liked what they saw.

Difficult problems here guys.

[Runbyhemp]

Agree with Stoney 100% on this one. I joined this site because it was unlike the other mainstream sites. People here were much friendlier.

On one of the other sites I joined it was 2 weeks before anybody even responded to my welcome post. Not a bit like here.

I came here too, because the site was made up of like minded minded folk who were growing for personal use.

People who grow for profit are not like minded. It scares me just by being a member on the same site as someone who grows that large. How can they sleep at night ? I dont want them here.

I do not want to be tarred with the same brush or, be part of the same community as them. Surely even talking to someone like that could, could be perceived, under the eyes of the law, as conspiring to commit large scale crimes ?

If this continues, I for one will be deleting my journal and heading off.
Surely we have some kind of say as to who joins our community.

[SFC]

You know.. I think they are still growers, and they still have alot to offer the community. We either have a grower oriented site or we don't. You could always rename the site "closet growers for personal use marijuana passion". See how rediculous that is? As far as it being a security issue lets get real, LEO don't care if its one plant or 100 they will still lock us up either way. If you are that scared to be around "growers" on the internet you are in the wrong place IMO.

[bombbudpuffa]

I hope this doesn't get ugly.

[upinarms]

Well if the individual implicated has a thread of boastful arrogance.. Then simply don't give him or her the time of day. I'm always game for a fair dealer and considering yield on a massive scale is about all profit, he/she had better be.
Who the heck is going to wait for harvest time without getting a little on the side.. not me.:D

[DLtoker]

I puffed just the other day for the firs time in weeks from my buddies outdoor. I refuse to support the traffickers.

[upinarms]

Your right about that, I'm guilty for supporting traffickers Though I usually use the middleman method.

[Sticky_Budz]

I came to this site 9 months ago was growing a few plants "reason" for "growing" the few plants that i had was because i was sick and tired of paying out of my *** for my bags because my guy liked to triple the price of his grass he would get it at dirt cheap prices and triple his money is that right no its not does it piss me off yes it does because i would never triple my money off any of you and if i did that would be wrong. i have nothing against the person that is growing in all these house's its the money he is making off us. I think that he should maybe limit the size of his grow down to a room or to and not talk about being a supplier and talk about being a grower I myself would love to learn about his grow and some tips he may have to offer as a grower not a seller or how hes donating his large scale grows to a clinic:D I know a grower that grows for a clinic he grows good amounts for his clinic without making any profits I'm probably not making any sense because I'm stoned:eek: but i do remember that when i joined that it was a big no no if you talked about selling at all here so have a great day everyone I'm going to smoke out of my new bowl:D

[Stoney Bud]

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and you're wondering about this now?


Yes, I am. You're answer is just a little rude, but I'll explain anyway. This site has never allowed any posts involving sales. EVER.

The site has never allowed anyone under 18, knowingly.

Both of these rules are to keep the site as safe as possible from pissing off the law in Holland.

So, after 4,742 posts and being thanked 398 times out of 296 posts, yes, I'm wondering why a person who openly says they are selling marijuana on a massive scale is allowed to post that information.

Any questions?

[Stoney Bud]

Stoney what do you judge as too many plants? WHo is commercial,and who is personal use? If you have sold a bag are you now commercial?

I'm worried about the Holland Government getting pissed and shuting down the site.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[Stoney Bud]

Hi Stoney,

As far as I know we're free to dicuss the growing of marijuana, i'm not sure if there would be a limit to the size of grows you can talk about.

But I agree it's not a good thing to discuss these growing operations, it could get attention from the wrong people.

A solution could be to only allow posting pictures and not discuss the grow methods. The gallery should be a fit for that. But then we have to put up another rule and poeple don't like rules. Also where do we draw the line between small grow and big grow?

If the mods starting to delete those threads with big op grows, then other members would starting bashing the mods because they didn't think there was a reason for deleting it. Because actually they really liked what they saw.

Difficult problems here guys.

As long as it isn't breaking the laws in the very country that is allowing us the freedom to have this cool group, and it isn't something that will come back on us later by actions of your country, Marp, I don't care.

Personally, I don't like dealers. I think they're rip off artists that take advantage of people like a used car salesman getting way more than his product is worth.

That's my opinion.

I also respect others opinions. If the consensus of opinion is to allow any and all talk of sales here on this group and massive grow ops, then great. Lets hear ALL the stories.

Who's growing for sales? Who's got great big grow ops? Lets see some pics of your ops and here the numbers of dollars you're making. Hell, why be shy?

Lets hear how much you get for each of those pounds.

I'm trying to understand what is allowed here. If anything is allowed in terms of sales and grow ops, then lets just say so and get on with it.

How can a line be drawn? Why would 10,000 pounds be considered any different than 50?

Why would a grow op of 500 rooms be considered any different than one of only 10?

Let it hang out folks.

I'd find it kind of interesting to hear just how many people are here to grow for profit. I didn't think there were any. I guess I'm pretty naive.

Jokes on me folks.

Good luck to all of you. I want to be the first to hear one of you tell us about making a million dollars from selling weed.

Let er fly!

Sheeesh, sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.

I'm old, I'm obviously naive and I'm learning better.

Don't get me wrong folks. In my younger days, I helped others with huge crops. I got paid pretty good by them. At that age and time, I didn't care if I was hurting anyone or ripping off good people. All I wanted was some money and all the weed I could smoke for free. I got both.

No hard feelings folks. I misunderstood the rules.

Lets hear the stories!

[Geter-D1]

i havnt been here that long only a couple of months or three this is a great site i would hate too see something happen to it out some ones ignorance on bragging about selling and/or growing major crops ; this issue could put people in a bigger spot light than need. when i first joined too talking of selling was a huge no , no and you where shut down.. hope every body can find a happy medium ............:D :D :D :D

[caribbean_smoker_20]

First of all, the guy never openly said "I Sell"
Second, what's with the attitude Stoney?

[caribbean_smoker_20]

*Knock knock*
Is anybody home?

[DLtoker]

I just want to let everyone know that the mods and MarP had a meeting this morning and we are revamping the site in a few ways.... For example, reverting to the previous set of site rules. For specific details, we will keep you updated in the days to come. :smoke1:

[Stoney Bud]

First of all, the guy never openly said "I Sell"
Second, what's with the attitude Stoney?

1. Gimme a break.

2. I'll try to explain it so that there is no doubt where I'm coming from. I love this place. I really do. The majority of the time I've been here, the people have been so cool and into the "growing my own weed" thing that I guess I became used to the way that was. Lot's of laughing and joking among friends.

The subject of sales has come up many times here. In general, or I guess I should say that the majority of opinion was that sales wasn't to be discussed or encouraged here on this site.

Having worked right up close with some of the largest growers south of the boarder, I've seen from seedling to transport to sale in super crops. I've also seen the type of people who are in this business at that scale. If you're their neighbor, you'll probably love em. If you become a problem in their business, you're history.

I've seen hundreds of people who sell in bulk. I've only seen a couple that were nice people.

Perhaps this guy who started this discussion is one of the good people. If so, I apologize profusely. If you're growing good weed and charging a fair price that isn't gouging, then good for you.

If you're one of the other 99.99% of people who sell in bulk, then I stick with what I was saying before.

I see by DL's post that the thought of returning to the old ways of this site is being considered. Those same rules are the ones that were here while the last 7 thousand people chose to stay.

Good luck to all of you and no hard feelings. I have lots of opinions and you should hear some of the others.

[berserker]

IMHO,When I started here.It was plain and simple,you DIDNT talk about selling,you DIDNT talk about hooking up,and you DONT talk about your personal info.So now we are at across road on what we do on this."I" feel the WE shouldnt compermise ANY of the RULES.The RULES are set in place to make this the great site that it is and to help keep ALL OF US SAFE.So when we consider to compermise our RULES,then we are willing to compermise our SAFTEY on here,and I wont go out like that.So,I am with STONEY^^^If we are willing to compermise then I will have to ask that all my posts and all records of me being a member be erased also.I just hope it dont come down to that.Because I truely enjoy this site and everything that it stood for.PLEASE,lets not let that slip away.Keep it GREEN:hubba:

[Mutt]

the discussion of sales will still be prohibited. the only thing we allow is posting "average" street prices for informational purposes only. We have always allowed that. We cannot and will not allow the discussion of growing for profit. Even if its obvious by the size of the grow...it will not be discussed. That would attract the wrong attention as if we don't already.

We are talking about other rules. We will keep you guys updated as things develop. We have a lot to look at after the past couple of weeks.

[caribbean_smoker_20]

1. Gimme a break.

2. I'll try to explain it so that there is no doubt where I'm coming from. I love this place. I really do. The majority of the time I've been here, the people have been so cool and into the "growing my own weed" thing that I guess I became used to the way that was. Lot's of laughing and joking among friends.

The subject of sales has come up many times here. In general, or I guess I should say that the majority of opinion was that sales wasn't to be discussed or encouraged here on this site.

Having worked right up close with some of the largest growers south of the boarder, I've seen from seedling to transport to sale in super crops. I've also seen the type of people who are in this business at that scale. If you're their neighbor, you'll probably love em. If you become a problem in their business, you're history.

I've seen hundreds of people who sell in bulk. I've only seen a couple that were nice people.

Perhaps this guy who started this discussion is one of the good people. If so, I apologize profusely. If you're growing good weed and charging a fair price that isn't gouging, then good for you.

If you're one of the other 99.99% of people who sell in bulk, then I stick with what I was saying before.

I see by DL's post that the thought of returning to the old ways of this site is being considered. Those same rules are the ones that were here while the last 7 thousand people chose to stay.

Good luck to all of you and no hard feelings. I have lots of opinions and you should hear some of the others.

Well then say you don't like people who rip you off! So what if a dealer comes here?Not once did he deliberately say he was "selling"...although we know its far from the truth.The air ranks of dealer prejudice in here, that's my main point, the prejudice you bring when you mention dealers.I really think that's uncalled for.Not everyone is able to grow in a home or in a backyard like you guys, so we have to rely on the dealer. And what if the dealer is here? Did he break the rules?He didn't say that he sold..so I don't think so..This is a ganja site for everyone right?If not, I can suggest a nice new name for it>> You could always rename the site "closet growers for personal use marijuana passion". See how rediculous that is? :rolleyes:

[DLtoker]

He did say he sold... He said he had to make his money as quick as possible. Talking about selling brings a ton of heat not only to him, but the site as a whole.

[caribbean_smoker_20]

^^My bad then DL..still can't miss the prejudice that comes with SB's view on dealers

[Mutt]

Beserker, No way NO HOW are we going to allow trading of personal info. Or hook-ups!!! That would bring this place down fast. So you can smoke easy on that one. ;)

OK I think the dealing thing has turned into the equivivlant of beating a poor dead horse to a pulp then shipping it off to the glue factory. Think its time its dropped. IMHO

[DLtoker]

SB has seen mass movers on a first hand basis it sounds... I have as well. I used to be a right-hand man to a bastard importing from Canada hundreds of pounds a week. This particular person made 100 grand a week! Props... Quite the entrepreneur. However, peoples lives were being ruined left and right by these traffickers. They are the reason some people in power are corrupt and MJ is still illegal. There are facts that support our "prejudices". Not looking to poke a fire here, just trying to tickle some brains.

[Oscar]

The poor dead horse ..........I'm still laughing!

Born on a farm, we just phoned Purina.

[Stoney Bud]

Oops, I was writing this when Mutt posted the "ain't it enough, already?". Sorry, get up little horsey, come on, you can get back up...


^^My bad then DL..still can't miss the prejudice that comes with SB's view on dealers
You're correct if you mean that I don't like them. I'm not talking about the guy who sells a pound or two once a year. Who cares. He's probably selling it to his friends anyway and giving them world class weed for a good price.

I don't like bulk sellers. It's not a prejudice, it's an opinion formed after knowing quite a few of them and actually living with them and hearing them brag.

I wasn't a good boy when I was younger. The Army kicked that crap outta me and now I just remember the bad things I saw bulk dealers do and say and tried to ignore because it didn't fit my plan at the time.

Put two guys with a hundred pounds of weed that they own into a car with a few guns, "just in case", (just in case of what I used to think), and you have a recipe for a disaster.

I got lucky and had nothing but cherry runs. Lots of money and a wild time.

However, I do still remember every story I heard those guys tell. I remember what I saw them do to people. There wasn't a nice one among them, including me for just being there.

I'll stick to my one pound a year. Three last year. One was turned to oil that is in my fridge and both the others are still curing down in my box.

I give a bunch away to my friends. I like doing that. They do too.

hehe

Like I said man, no hard feelings. I've formed my opinions by experience.

[SFC]

I should clarify that I am not for discussion of selling/dealing. My main point of disagreement was based on my thinking you were saying there should be a limit on how large the members grows can be. For which I would be against.

If the guys was posting about selling then yes that post should be edited,and the grower warned.(1st offense) Does that sound about right?

[Stoney Bud]

Pllleeeaaaassssseeeeee Mr. Horsey, don't croak. Oh no, I smell glue.

No! Nooooooooooooo

Dead Horsey

hehe

Peace!

[SmokinMom]

Stoney, you edited your post. I saw something like giddy up little pony or similiar directed at Mutt. When you stepped down as mod I thought you didn't want to be so involved. What's with you being so confrontational lately? It sure seems like you don't like it around here anymore and that nothing will make you happy. Maybe you could take a few days off to think about things.

I bet this thread is about to turn ugly. I'll keep watch and exercise my mod powers and shut it down quick. We seem to enjoy doing that lately. :rolleyes:

It's 2 hrs later, and maybe whatever it was I saw wasnt intended as an insult and I apologize to Stoney if I was mistaken, it was edited by you so quickly. But I do stand by my suggestion of taking a break for a few days and thinking things out.

[HGB]

Think a simple PM to a mod or marp would have been a better way to go about it, or even use the report a post option :doh:

The poster got off on the wrong foot so what..... simple fix would have been to report post>>mod edits it>>user is directed to the post'n rules>>problem solved

can a mod maybe do that and close this thread so everyone can get back to the passion part of MP and grow'n some herbage?????

thanks

HGB