is the smell really that bad?

[geoff1917]

very nice forum you guys have here with tons of information. ive read quite a few of the guides fully and i have some videos that i found online downloading right now. back to topic, im moving to a friends apartment in the next coming months and he has a closet that is on the balcony that is 6'x3'x10' and then there is opening in the ceiling that leads to an attic. im wondering whether i should grow in the closet using a shelf system or maybe even a grow box or should i take it up to the attic. im not sure how big the attic is but im imaging it's faily large. also how hardcore is the smell? if i grow in the closet/attic will the neighbors be able to smell it? thats my only consern. im using 3-6 gallon containers so i think i should be able to get anywhere from 5-10 plants? what do you guys think? thanks for the help and awesome forum you have here:D

[gangalama]

depends on the strain. also humid rooms tend to stink alot more than dry ones. U can use activecharcoal filters on a vent or an ozonator to kill smells.

[mal_crane]

Depending on the strain, it could smell very bad like a skunk that has just recently sprayed in the area. Some strains have very little smell to them. If you are worried about smell, there are alot of DIY projects to help with the smell.

[geoff1917]

ok thanks for the input guys, i think the room is gonna be dry, i can't imagine it being extremly humid in there. i still don't know whether to grow in the closet or the attic. the closet is allready flat white and i think there are outlets in there so im leaning more towards that.

[thestandard]

mine smells way more at night, but really still have to get in the room. i think its because of less airflow in the dark cycle.

[gangalama]

ok thanks for the input guys, i think the room is gonna be dry, i can't imagine it being extremly humid in there. i still don't know whether to grow in the closet or the attic. the closet is allready flat white and i think there are outlets in there so im leaning more towards that.

Goodluck wit evryting!!

[geoff1917]

im going to invest in a ozonator to take care of the smell. thanks guys. gonna be a while before i get any pics up, not moving there till may but im getting my research done early.

[sweetnug]

I wouldn't go attic if you can. Attics are the least ideal. They get hot in the summer and cold in the winter. To keep perfect ambient temp. all year is very difficult. Smell wise it depends on strain like they said, but are you in an apt. building??? Or do you share a stairwell or hallway with a neighbor????

[geoff1917]

it's a 100% normal apartment. im on the top floor, the closet is located basicly outside of the apartment on a balcony. the neighbors are next door and there is a wall of course. no hallways are shared. i was wondering on the strain i was just thinking of just getting some seeds from friends but now that i think about it i never see krip with seeds so i may have to order from a website. is that safe/good idea?

[sweetnug]

If you have no areas in your apt. that are shared then I would not worry about it too much. Many strains really stink but can be contained without expensive devices. Keep the windows shut and no one can smell sh**.

[geoff1917]

allright goodshit, thanks bro. yeah the room is completly isolated from every part of the place and very far away from the door of the apt. one more noob quetion. should i invest in some of that wall covering that protects against i guess heat detection from authorities? i doubt they would be looking in this apartment since it's mainly middle aged people living here but just wondering.

now all i have to do is find what type of light source im gonna be using.the room is flat white allready and setting up shelves, floor covers, etc should be easy.

[sweetnug]

The infared that I think you are talking about is soo obsolete. How much wattage do you have in 1 room??? If you are getting really bad smell just cook something with onions. I have had the police at my house with 4 plants in the closet and 2 drying . I 'burnt' garlic and they had no idea at all since its so overpowering.

[geoff1917]

lol, i hate onions!!! im not sure what the wattage of the room is, im not even sure if there is an outlet in the closet, may have to run an extention from the wall outside the closet.

[sweetnug]

Well extension cords cant be used with HID lights safely. That is the #1 concern safety. You need to find out the amperage so you dont blow a fuse and really mess yourself up.

[geoff1917]

how should i go about finding that out? ask the landlord or something? i was planning on using flourecent lights.

[sweetnug]

No man go to the main fusebox. Probably in the basement. Open the door and see if its marked, don't worry you won't get shocked. You are looking to see if each apt. is labeled. If so you can see the amperage for your place at least, dont call the landlord!!!!! Thats too sketchy. Flo. lights are only good for cloning and and veg. If you only have them elec. is no problem. You need HID for good size nugs

[geoff1917]

allright will do, good info. how are seed websites? i saw something about ppl sending there orders to alternate adressess? i may not order from the web if it's sketchy buisness

[sweetnug]

If you live in the us then its very sketchy. You should take a trip to Canada. Its worth it you can get any seeds there. I would not order them even though some people do its not kosher. Its worth the trip. You need a passport though

[geoff1917]

yeah ive got a passport but i live in florida, very bottom of the us.lol. i'll probably just try and find some seeds from local strains then.

[sweetnug]

Ya thats far south. I am 3 hours from Toronto. Go to Amsterdam smuggle them

[geoff1917]

maybe i'll grab some next time i go down to haiti, bringing them back is a diffrent story though

[trillions of atoms]

attics get hot so that might not work, the closet prolly doesnt have any windows or ac/heat so that might not work...you could use a small window ac unit inside but if the attic is one big one then if he has acess to it then so do the other neighbors. i have a friend who lives in an apt bldg that anyone who crawled up into the space could go from apt to apt just by walking on the raftors so safty being key that might not work. if you can grow there then use a growbox with a carbon filter that will kill the smell and help keep prying noses unknowing. theres alot more info we need about the space to see if it would work. goodluck!

[mal_crane]

Flo's and cfl's will grow bud just fine and can be used for both vegging and flowering. How many lumens per sq ft is what will make your buds more dense. Both flo's and cfl's would suit a closet grow much better than a HID or Hps. Be reasonable with what size light you are using in small places so that you don't start the apartment building on fire just because you picked a 600w hps to put in a little closet just because someone told you flo's aren't good for growing. Out of 20+ grows, I have used flo's and cfl's on almost all and I have grown some of the most dense bud I've seen. It's all in personal preference, trial and error, and what is most reasonable for the size grow you are looking for. No sense in buying some $500 light just to grow a couple plants when you could spend $100 dolalrs on cfl and flo supplies and get just as good of bud.

[geoff1917]

yeah i hear you, i have 3 light fixtures allready so im just gonna stick with the flou lights. as for the attic i just talked to him and he said it's not connected to anyone else only we have access to it, it's not as big as i was guessing. he measured the closet for me and turns out it's bigger then i thought 7'x5'x10' like a mini room if you ask me. so im getting everything ready equitment wise and research wise so when i get down there i'll have the room ready by day 2 of living there.

[headband]

trust me it will stink, i just finished in an attic:eek:

[Hick]

Flo's and cfl's will grow bud just fine and can be used for both vegging and flowering. How many lumens per sq ft is what will make your buds more dense. Both flo's and cfl's would suit a closet grow much better than a HID or Hps. Be reasonable with what size light you are using in small places so that you don't start the apartment building on fire just because you picked a 600w hps to put in a little closet just because someone told you flo's aren't good for growing. Out of 20+ grows, I have used flo's and cfl's on almost all and I have grown some of the most dense bud I've seen. It's all in personal preference, trial and error, and what is most reasonable for the size grow you are looking for. No sense in buying some $500 light just to grow a couple plants when you could spend $100 dolalrs on cfl and flo supplies and get just as good of bud.

A 400 w/hps can be purchased for very close to that same $100 dollar bill, and is "both" more efficient and produces more grow power/lumens/PAR. Facts.. not "opinions"..
Room 5x10(assuming 7' ceiling) 50/sq/ft. would require "2" 1000 watt HID lights, for sufficient coverage. That equal to, what?..about 40-50 cfls?.
Two 1 k lights will require some serious ventilation, but so will 40 flourescents.
CFLs "must" be kept close, within a few inches of the canopy. Without training, lower growth(anything further than 6 inches from the bulb) will suffer light deprivation, and will not procuce to potential.
All of the research that "I" have read, and 25+ years of experience, has proven to me, that at this point in time, nothing surpass's HID/HPs for growing efficiency.
Not saying 'bud' can't be grown with cfls/flo's, simply pointing out the discrepancies.

[HippyInEngland]

I did an attic grow, never again, I would walk in the house and it stank everywhere, greenhouse grows from now on, saves me climbing a ladder twice a day lol

[geoff1917]

thanks for the input guys. i must have said the diminesions wrong then. the place is 7 feet long, 5 feet wide and has 10 foot ceiling. it's not huge, from the videos that ive been watching im gonna use the flouro for my clones/veg stage and hid for flowering, think about spliting the room in half for flowering/vegatation

[Dubbaman]

Thats a big area for growing in man you should really do the math on it your talking a grow area of 35sqft thats 205,000 lumen for the whole area. take a look back at what Hick said, I have to agree with him a couple of air cooled 1K watters will do great in there. Happy Growing man.

[mal_crane]

I didn't say that HPS isn't good, I said it's his responsibility to not burn down the house with too much high powered lighting in a small area, but we now see that the area isn't small. Even with his larger area, I would still use cfl's or flo's, like I said it's just a personal preference. I've grown with an HPS and didn't like it, simple as that.

[dankbud420]

order off seedboquet

[lowrydergrower775]

grew with an hps and didnt like it lol ive never heard that you must have alot to learn still crane

[mal_crane]

Sorry man, I may still have a little to learn, but I've done 20+ grows. I did a grow where I grew 6 females in 400w of CFL + Flo lighting and in another room I grew 6 females with 1 400w Hps. I just wasn't impressed to the point to discontinue use of cfl/flo lighting. I'm not saying it doesn't work. A friend of mine uses 2 1000w Hps and he has great bud. I just didn't see a difference in the two seperate bud I grew and neither did my buddy. The cfl bud, if anything didn't get me quite as high of yield (HPS grew me an ounce more overall) but the buds were more dense than the ones from under the HPS. Just talking from personal experience. If I had the money and space I would get another HPS, just not in a big hurry to spend double the money for a similar end product.

[thestandard]

I didn't say that HPS isn't good, I said it's his responsibility to not burn down the house with too much high powered lighting in a small area, but we now see that the area isn't small. Even with his larger area, I would still use cfl's or flo's, like I said it's just a personal preference. I've grown with an HPS and didn't like it, simple as that.


Using CFLs when you need a high amount of lumens is kinda rediculous - extra wires sockets extension cords.. it's a mess - and much more likely to burn down a house than 1 hps/ballast. To say you've grown with an hps and didn't like it is ludicrous but I'll buy it sure . =/ :fid:

[lowrydergrower775]

i have a very hard time believing the buds grown under cfl were denser than those grown under a hps

[geoff1917]

ok so where do i buy these lights at? i have 3 black light fixtures im gonna use but what about the CFLs or hps where can i buy some? im gonna go into autocad today and design a layout of the room.i wasn't planning on using a big ventalation system or anything i was just gonna ahve a couple fans in the room and open the door every so often to get the **** flowing. i'll try and get my friend to take a picture of the closet for us.
A 400 w/hps can be purchased for very close to that same $100 dollar bill, and is "both" more efficient and produces more grow power/lumens/PAR. Facts.. not "opinions"..

yeah im thinking bout spliting the room in half or if i can successfully make a shelf system to have clones/mothers under flouro lights and use i guess the hps or hid like you guys are saying for flowering. i watched an hour long video last night "Cannabis.Cultivation" by mr.green well this guy uses flour lights for the veg stage and 430w hps with blue spectrum for the flowering. the guy is also using a "squirrle cage fan" to get air flow.

these are the items that i will be purchasing for the grow, suggestion are more then welcome:
BLACK PLASTIC BAGS
MYLAR
ROOTING COMPOUND
3 GALLON CONTAINERS
SOIL(6.5-7.5)/GRAVEL/FURTILIZER(Rapid-Gro and Eco-Grow)
FLOURECENT LIGHT BULBS (COOL/WARM 25W)
ONA BLOCKER
ORKID ROCK POTTING MIX

[headband]

I've grown with an HPS and didn't like it, simple as that. Welll buddy, you have a lot to learn. If you have to $$$$ to run the hps would you still say that? you might want to go talk to some horticulturist. HPS vers CFL? its like comparing BMW to HYUNDAI. Its not even comparable. HPS are the closest thing you can get in your grow to resemble the sun, **** cfls arnt even the right spectrums...
I have used flo's and cfl's on almost all and I have grown some of the most dense bud I've seenyou must not get that great of weed where you live if CFL buds are denser than the hps, or you must not know how to use it properly. So if your saying you have tried both and got better results with cfls than whats your conclusion? How is it better in your case, than hps. sry please dont take anything personal, i can see you got a little tense, anyways i can see it nowIf I had the money and space I would get another HPS, just not in a big hurry to spend double the moneyatleast you know whats right pal, i dont see how if $$ wasnt the issue, to pic a cfl, over a hps. Air cooled hps look soo dang nice in that setup too. good luck
If your a little tight on money, you just going to need to shop around for prices, I would shop on ebay for the hps, http://cgi.ebay.com/AIR-COOLED-REFLECTOR-GROW-LIGHT-600-WATT-HPS-MH-600W_W0QQitemZ250216259678QQihZ015QQcategoryZ42225 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem,
for soil I would buy foxfarm if you an find it. Shop at the dollar store for 23-cfl, Hardware store for sockets and cords. What are the black plasic bags for? you can get mylar for $2.99 a blanket at walmart. If your using cfls, i would invest in some 4 ft 43 watt cool white tubes, i used (4) 43 watts, and then (8) 23watt cfls for veg on 2 plants in an attic. Then in flowering i changed to a 400hps. youll need a good ventaliation system no matter what, intake fan outtake fan, then if you what a hps in a closet, youll need a air vented one, like the link above, it will got over 90+ with out a vent and just fans, you plants wont survive, your aiming for 75.

[lowrydergrower775]

:yeahthat: pretty much sums it up thanks headband :goodposting:

[mal_crane]

I understand what you guys are saying, all I'm saying is that when you learn the correct ways to use cfl's and flo's and learn how to get the most lumens from them, you can grow bud that is just as dense without having to spend as much money. You guys act like I said HPS is bad for growing. I never said that. I have repeatedly said it is just my personal preference.