lst a 35 inch plant

[eskodaboss]

my og kush is 35 inches tall growing to tall is it possible to lst or top it now if so how the stem is fat and solid plus does topping stun growth

[snuggles]

Are you in flower?

[trillions of atoms]

yes topping stunts growth and decreases gpw. i would supercrop hard and keep the light low as possible.

if you need to lst then you should start bending now, as your a lil late on the game. be gentle and if you not in flower i would flip the lights now.

[eskodaboss]

yes topping stunts growth and decreases gpw. i would supercrop hard and keep the light low as possible.

if you need to lst then you should start bending now, as your a lil late on the game. be gentle and if you not in flower i would flip the lights now.
ok i am in veg how do i super crop im amusing a 400 watt hps

[trillions of atoms]

check my stretch link in my sig.... lower light till top leaves start to roll inward some and get hard ridges. when you get to that point where the leaves look like they are trying to roll inward looking like rollin up adoobie then raise light till they uncurl and still have some raised serrations on the leaves-

THAT is the sweetspot ;)

once there then raise it up lil by lil as they grow into the light.

[snuggles]

check my stretch link in my sig.... lower light till top leaves start to roll inward some and get hard ridges. when you get to that point where the leaves look like they are trying to roll inward looking like rollin up adoobie then raise light till they uncurl and still have some raised serrations on the leaves-

THAT is the sweetspot ;)

once there then raise it up lil by lil as they grow into the light.

Cool I learned something new thanks, did not know the sweetspot trick

[trillions of atoms]

the best thing about it snuggles is that doing it like that prevents stunted growth until the plants get use to the lumen intensity. you will notice as they get older you can let the plants grow into the light some lil by lil and that will ensure dense bud growth at the end of flower with any HID if other conditions are even just average.

this also will combat stretch.

most probelms ppl have with not gettting dense bud with good genetics, might not be genetics in the end, it might be simple as light placement and lumen content.

[isthatjohnstamos]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2FmXHhKFA5U
this is a really good video about how to do it there was a thead up just the other day that was about supercropping and lst that was pretty good.

[smokybear]

You better switch to 12/12 now if you are running out of room. MJ plants usually double or triple their size during flowering so I see big problems in your future. What are the dimensions of your grow area? You better supercrop and lst asap. Tie them down as much as possible and move them down more daily. Be careful with it though. Got any pics? Keep us posted. Take care and be safe.

[eskodaboss]

You better switch to 12/12 now if you are running out of room. MJ plants usually double or triple their size during flowering so I see big problems in your future. What are the dimensions of your grow area? You better supercrop and lst asap. Tie them down as much as possible and move them down more daily. Be careful with it though. Got any pics? Keep us posted. Take care and be safe.
thanks for the info i will take pics of my set up for you

[Hick]

yes topping stunts growth and decreases gpw..
I don't agree... Topping is a perfectly legitimate and practiced method of "increasing" gpw... by leveling out your canopy.. IMO. In a very similar process as LST or SC.
You are essentailly, re-directing the growth hormones to lower portions of the plant, wih all of the methods.
Topping, is 'high' stress training, meaning it is likely to stunt growth for a 'short' period. That doesn't translate to less gpw.. IMO.

[Pot Belly]

When I think of something stunting a plant's growth, I think of an unhealthy environment like adding too many nutes that cause the plant to get sickly and not grow, or not enough light, or fresh air to the growroom, or too much heat. Something that stunts a plant's growth would not be beneficial to it.

Topping reduces height temporarily, but does nothing IMO to stunt growth. On the other hand, with recovery time, growth is explosive. Topping is very beneficial to a plant. It is the best way when done with LST to keep a controlled canopy to get the max out of your lighting source.

I think it's easy to get 'stunted growth', and 'recovery time' confused with each other when topping is discussed.

[trillions of atoms]

it decreases GPW when time is in the equation. if your vegging forever and flowering as long as she will go to pack on weight then yes it can help. but to someone that is doing an sog or has only a certian amount of time to harvest then growth will be stunted, and topping the main cola will decrease yeild.

if you take one plant with 2 weeks veg time and 2 months flower, dont top it, and take an identical plant and top it- grow it in the same amount of time the plant that was not topped will yeild more.

its been proven.

but if you have all the time in the world and are milkin the clock, I agree- topping can help.

but for someone running a perpetual sog- its a waste.

[Hick]

it decreases GPW when time is in the equation. if your vegging forever and flowering as long as she will go to pack on weight then yes it can help. but to someone that is doing an sog or has only a certian amount of time to harvest then growth will be stunted, and topping the main cola will decrease yeild.

if you take one plant with 2 weeks veg time and 2 months flower, dont top it, and take an identical plant and top it- grow it in the same amount of time the plant that was not topped will yeild more.

its been proven.

but if you have all the time in the world and are milkin the clock, I agree- topping can help.

but for someone running a perpetual sog- its a waste.

He isn't running a "perpetual sog".. he has "a" plant, 35 inches tall....
Topping is also an integral part of sCrog. It hasn't anything to do with "milking the clock", it has to do with method and efficiency.
if you take one plant with 2 weeks veg time and 2 months flower, dont top it, and take an identical plant and top it- grow it in the same amount of time the plant that was not topped will yeild more.
Ahhhh.. but if I take that same topped plant, and veg it for 4 weeks, and flower for 2 months, but produce twice as much, how does the "time" figure into the equation? ;)
I have just produced twice as much in 2/3 the time/watts spent.

[trillions of atoms]

im using that as an example hick, yes if you veg the same plant for twice as long it will yeild more, because its getting more grow time than the the other plant. if you can leave the plant in for an unlimited amount of time, and your plant is to tall for your growspace, then topping makes sense. but all im saying is its not all bennificial in every case.

when your trying to get say 5-6 cycles in a yr to yeild as much as you can indoors, using say clones- topping it or even a young seedling would stunt the growth beyond the time it would take to heal and finish with only two baby colas and only medium sized colas elsewhere compared to running them str8 through and just flowering. yeilding a big main cola and still decent side colaselsewhere.

the top cola yeilds the most off a plant and pinching that growth off effects that colas/plants yeild in a short vegtime.

of course like you were saying hick if time is not of concern then the possibilities to yeild monster plants that have been topped are endless.


thats like saying ok, i top a plant but it wont reduce yeild because im growing in a 2 month + veg time. of COURSE it will yeild more- espicially if you have the lumens to grow a plant thats been vegging a long time.

this goes with ANY method you might use on any plant. a plant that has been supercropped, topped, scrogged, lolipopped, lst whatever- will yeild better only because there getting that extra time to recover and that extra veg time means more growth which always means a better yeild.

Hick its the same as saying a single plant flowered before maturity will yeild less if it has the same amount of flower time as one that has reached maturity and then is flowered the exact same way.

of course it will.....

[Hick]

when your trying to get say 5-6 cycles in a yr to yeild as much as you can indoors, using say clones- topping it or even a young seedling would stunt the growth beyond the time it would take to heal and finish with only two baby colas and only medium sized colas elsewhere compared to running them str8 through and just flowering. yeilding a big main cola and still decent side colaselsewhere.

simply not true... If I produce 6 lbs in 3 cycles, compared to your 4lbs in 6 cycles, who has been more efficient?? .. who has the better gpw??..
sog is NOT the only way or means to produce buds efficiently... "it's been proven" ;)


He has a plant that is 35 inches tall, obviously not a sog grow.

[trillions of atoms]

lol hick your taking me out of context- and still your trying to exclude time from this discussion.

im not saying this is an sog grow... and im not saying that you cant yeild more from a topped plant than sog.

honestly your wordplay i feel is trying to be condencending twards me so im not even going to discuss this further.

I hope someone out there can read the info here for what it is not what this thread has become.

:ciao:

[Hick]

lol hick your taking me out of context- and still your trying to exclude time from this discussion.
"I" am not excluding time, trill, "You" are trying to twist 'time' to be advantagous, to your point... :p hee hee
BUT, what I should have said was.. "If I produce 6 lbs in 3 cycles, compared to your 4lbs in 6 cycles, over a 1 year period, or over the same given time"...... there is no "word play".
im not saying this is an sog grow..
You are referrencing SOG, to enforce your point. Totally irrelevant to the question, since his plant is 35 in. tall.
You are pushing the "faster is better" issue. (time), which just doesn't hold water, in all cases..I am simply saying that there are other methods, such as sCrog,(which employs topping) that can be just as or more efficient, when properly applied, than sog.
It also allows you to keep "plant count" down, which is a legal issue in most states.
Let me go back to this 'quote'..if you take one plant with 2 weeks veg time and 2 months flower, dont top it, and take an identical plant and top it- grow it in the same amount of time the plant that was not topped will yeild more.and this..stunt the growth beyond the time it would take to heal and finish with only two baby colas and only medium sized colas elsewhere compared to running them str8 through and just flowering. yeilding a big main cola and still decent side colaselsewhere.
...IME.. If you were to take those same two plants, top one, allow it to ..'heal, recover from the slight shock', alongside the other still vegging, and flower them both "at the same time".. the yield difference will be nearly, if not totally undetectable/negligable. "ALL" that you have done is eliminate the single, main cola and made two smaller ones. Essentailly diverting the nutrients and hormones to lower branches, just exactly as any other training is attempting.
I'm not being "condencending ",. I'm not saying you are "wrong", in your case.I'm only citeing my personal observations, experiences. You and others may not find, in your circumstances, the exact same results/conclusions.
Back to eko's issue...
Topping is higher stress than other methods, and will/can 'stunt' growth for a few days, but in eko's case, that might well be beneficial.. IMO. If it is topped and allowed a short recovery time before flowering,, IMO/E, it will not effect his yeild significantly.
It might also allow the 12" plants to catch up a few inches, makeing a more even canopy, resulting in better utilization of light, which "should" benefit the final yeild...
He is attempting o flower his 35" og, alongside some 12" plants. At this point, "I" feel supercropping has probably far past it's probability of solving his problem. Topping or bending it completely over and tieing it down, are his only feasable options... IMO.
By takeing cuttings from the top, then topping the top foot off, that "at least" gets him back down to a "workable" heighth... THEN supercropping could be used to aid in keeping heighth closer to his other plants.
Just giving eko' some "options"... ;)

[smokybear]

Lol. Topping is a great method to maky your plant bushy but I'm not convinced that it increases or decreases yield. I've topped many of my outdoor ladies and not topped some of them and my yield was about the same. The plants I topped stayed shorter and bushier while the untopped ones looked like christmas trees but about the same yield. Just my thoughts. Take care and be safe.