Cannabis By Nikon

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One of the reasons I got really excited about this site was the fact it really looks geared to pictures of our favorite plant.

Do you like rainbows?
I do so lets look at Cannabis in all the colors of a rainbow.

First Purple

This may take a few trys :)

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Slow but steady she taste really nice :)

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This female is loaded down with seeds and was left almost 75 days and we were able to capture these amazing close ups of the seeds just forming.

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I think maroon is next but then again I am smoking bubble:hubba:

Orange Velvet

[Ilikebigbuds]

thanks for those beautiful pictures!

:woohoo: :holysheep:

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Great shots Subcool. :aok: Gotta love those purple buds as they are just bursting with color and i'm sure the smoke is great as well. :hubba: Keep them pics coming Subcool. ;) Did cold temps make the fan leaves on the Orange Velvet turn that color or do they turn on their own?

[Runbyhemp]

Beautiful shots, what kinda camera are you using ?

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Great shots Subcool. :aok: Gotta love those purple buds as they are just bursting with color and i'm sure the smoke is great as well. :hubba: Keep them pics coming Subcool. ;) Did cold temps make the fan leaves on the Orange Velvet turn that color or do they turn on their own?

Thanks BG
OV has this trait when finishing but absolutly cold temps and organic fade adds greatly to her looks

Here is an excerpt from an article I wrote about the Purple Craze

Purple Cannabis is all the rage in the Nocal clubs and it is highly sought after by both consumers and producers, lets explore this phenomenon and learn some things about Cannabis and Color. Do we see any great demand for purple today? Not in normal things because they’re readily available but when it comes to Purple Pot it’s another story.
Cannabis floral clusters are basically green, but changes may take place later in the season, which alter the color to include various shades. The intense green of chlorophyll usually hides the color of accessory pigments, Chlorophyll starts to loose it’s vibrant green color late in the season and anthocyanin pigments also contained in the tissues are uncovered and the amazing colors are produced at this time. Purple, resulting from anthocyanin accumulation, is extremely common in Cannabis, this color modification is usually triggered by seasonal change, and also can be influenced indoor by a temperature drop of between 20-30 degrees.

This does not mean, however, that Purple is controlled by environment alone and it can be passed on genetically. For purple color to develop upon maturation, a strain must have the genetically controlled metabolic potential to make anthocyanin pigments and be responsiveness to environmental change such as cold nighttime temps. This means a strain can have the genetic potential to change color but if conditions never exist you may never know it. I have grown Jacks Cleaner for a long time and when I moved west and it found some dramatically cooler temps I got a nice maroon/ purple coloring at maturity.

There are other pigments that effect the color of mature cannabis for example Carotenoid is largely responsible for the yellow, orange, red, and brown colors in buds. I find this effect is much easier to accomplish in Organics and soil but in order to really call a strain Purple it needs to have more than colored outer leaves and the inner buds need to actually be Purple.

This is Sputnik 1 AKA "Pinky"

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Runby I shoot with Nikon
I have a D-50, a D-80,

Lens 11-18 Wide, 50 MM macro, 105 Macro, 300MM Zoom
18-23 Working lens, Sigma Ring Flash



The first trick to inducing some good color change is what I like to call the “fade” this is when using an organic soil mix you achieve the perfect balance of N-P-K allowing the plant to use up all the available nitrogen and start loosing it’s Chlorophyll and the colored pigments are allowed to bleed through as the green fades. This can be achieved I am sure in Hydro as well but plants react so fast and absorb so well in water that its more normal for a hydro plant to be green and vibrant that multi colored like in soil organics.

The second thing that can really make a huge difference is a large temperature swing between day time and night time temps. The nice thing is with a simple A/c unit and a well built bud room it’s pretty easy to chill a 12x12 room to 60 degrees year round. That same room running 3000 watts will have a day time temperature of between 80-85 degrees making a 25 degree temperature swing. This will easily unlock that fall color hidden inside a strain provided the genetic coding is also there. I have to say from experience it’s a trait of a large percentage of Cannabis that I have grown. Bringing in outside air in colder climates can also be helpful in adding some color as well as keeping bugs in check and a bud room can stand bitter cold if your not worried about reservoir temps.

Last proper application of nutrients is very important if you jack up the N far into bud your not going to see this fading and you may even effect the taste I have found plants that faded to early actually tasted sweeter but then you hurt your yields. Using a good catalyst can also help a lot as the citric acid and sugars seem to speed up the maturation process I currently use sweet leaf at week 4 and week 6. There are many good products and many old timers even make up there own using cane sugar and citric acid but I think the big companies have better research to support there recipes.



This is Pinky once again:
She is featured on the cover of Big Book 3



Before you ask

No you can't buy these seeds any longer!

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Awesome information in this thread. I have learned alot from reading this. Thanks...

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Great reading material Subcool. :aok:

[The Effen Gee]

Subcool..

your my hero...Nicely done.

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You may not have heard of the strain Jacks Cleaner, but among collectors of Elite genetics it has become somewhat of an urban legend. This is due to a few factors. The first is I grew it for many years before other respected growers tried it and let me know it was probably the best Sativa Hybrid in existence. In 1997 I had a gathering known in breeder circles as “Jamaica 1” several respected under ground breeder/growers met at my place and we spent 3 days toking testing talking and feasting on BBQ and southern food. We had a un official judging and JC won every first place vote. Now maybe the guys were just being nice because I tossed the gig but I knew at least I had found a great strain. But where did it come from?
I got my first PC in about 1994 it was an Acer 133 and soon found a great deal of information on Cannabis, certainly not anything like today but it led me to grow chats where I met others that shared an interest for growing. One of the first I became close online friends with was a guy with the nick ‘Skoosh’. I was amazed that there was another seriously hard working tax paying Loyal American that waked and baked everyday of his adult life. We swapped stories online, toked while we typed and found out we both love ice cream. He offered me some seeds and over time traded around what we each had. He sent me about 200 seeds of a old strain called Skoosh that was pretty infamous in his circles and I started cracking large treys looking for a keeper. The make up of these seeds were Pluton, Lambs bread, Purple Haze, and Northern Lights. What mix or pattern these crosses occurred I am not sure. Most of what I found was not impressive, super thin spindly sativa’s and mutants with whorled leaves. I did find a few that seemed normal and grew them to maturity. Of all the seeds I started over a period of a year one phenotype stood out. It was a extremely resinous ultra lemon wonder. It reminded me of a house hold cleaner named “Mr Clean” So I named it “The Cleaner”. It had one poor trait and that was weak stems and smaller size. I had not yet read botany and we all thought breeders were smarter than god so it was just luck I had a Jack Herer male from Sensi Seeds that I was to lazy to kill and just placed in a dark garage. It refused to die so I placed a small 12” Cleaner clone with him and she produced about 35 seeds.
From these I selected the best female and tossed all the males. From these was the Phenotype many now consider to be the holy grail of Cannabis, Jacks Cleaner is a large heavy producer with ultra white raised trichomes that actually give the plant a gooey appearance. Heavy citrus with over bearing lemon smell and taste I have yet to see anything like it. In 2003 we out crossed the P1 mother with a JC X blueberry offspring and created JC bx. This first stage back cross recently won third place in the 420 cup in Amsterdam by a grower named HOG. It had a 12 day cure and blew everyone away as he was an unknown in there neck of the woods. There is some confusion cause many that have the JC bx misstate the fact and say they have JC leaving off the BX indicating a back cross.
This year I started Space Queen by Vic a hybrid cross of Cindy-99 and Romulan. I never considered it something impressive but it has blown Jill and I away. It is extremely potent fast maturing and just an amazing flavor. Pineapples and mangos with a candy like fragrance it has become our stash smoke. We have now decided to cross the JC P1 with the best Space Queen male we found.. Many would argue you need thousands of plants to start with for selecting to be considered a ‘True Breeder” but I think 30 years of growing and a keen eye for recessive traits can compensate starting from a smaller gene pool and the feed back from our medical users backs up my theory.
You can see by the photo’s that JC is not a normal hemp dominant plant. Just the speed of resin production makes her somewhat of a freak .You can see how the large raised resin heads give some shots a glass effect. I will attempt to describe toking JC from a clean bong, the smoke is crisp and thick with a heavy lemon oiliness that seems to coat the sinuses with citrus, it is a bit harsh and tends to make me wince, then the expansion starts and if you took a small enough hit and don’t cough the buzz is instant. At first the buzz is visual and very cerebral. Then the other side starts creeping and you feel as if you smoked some heavy indica. The munchies come on and after you eat plates full of bizarre food combinations you are ready for a nap. Once you are used to the high it has amazing analgesic properties and a good friend said it even made him last longer with his GF due to it’s pain relieving aspects.

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People always ask me what My favorite strain is?

Here is the answer..

The Incredible Tiny Bomb Great things sometimes come in small packages, and this phenotype of Space Jill (Space Queen) is I feel the best Cannabis I have ever smoked. I need give a huge disclaimer: This thing is absolutely the worst yielding plant I have ever grown; it's a double-edged sword. I grow two of these in one pot trying to conserve space and add to my head stash, but I have yet to get more than a jar full off one plant. One trick I employ is to place two plants in one pot, forming more heads to help yield more per square foot. Jill prefers the larger and more normal version we used to breed with, but I love this one. It is simply double coated in raised trichomes. It actually has so much resin that even extremely dry and cured, the weed seams to smolder in a bowl and not want to burn correctly. It is almost like your smoking resin or hash. I love the way this thing just sparkles in the flash. If you want to know how to find one of these, it's not easy. They are hidden away in the Space Jill seeds. This phenotype is extremely recessive, and then your going to have to keep the runt of the litter. "You were my pills, you were my thrills. You were my hope baby, you were my smoke." Well this plant absolutely dropped the bomb on me because if I had any sanity, I'd toss her and replace with something larger. But to date this is the one that sets me off. This girl has a taste similar to Genius and Apollo, but it's more concentrated and the tart taste is more sour than any diesel I have ever smoked, including sour D and catpiss. It also has an underlying sweet tang that is very pleasant as it rolls across the tongue and the exhale is even very sweet and tart. I have been asked before if this phenotype can be found in Space Jill and I am happy to report it definitely can. Tiny has become legend. Several people have a phenotype that resembles mine, and they describe the same traits. The lavender coloring in some of these shots is from organics and cooler night temps. If I have her placed away from the A/C unit, she doesn't turn this shade. I can also see just a hint of Romulan from time to time. As if you couldn't tell I like it, it seems to carry a slight hashy spicy taste that is well over shadowed by the sour and sweet. Now here is the other side of the coin: The other version that Jill prefers to call simply C. It has a over whelming Cherry flavor, and a much larger yield. A few friends who recently sampled her for the first time were completely blown away, and one considers it his all time favorite smoke. The only problem with this plant is I always run out of it long before anything else. The largest plant I had grown was well over five feet with at least six heads, and the total dry weight was 40 grams. That same harvest I pulled six zipps off a JC. I sent this to the guy that sent me Apollo-13, and he also couldn't get it to make big fun. But he agreed it's simply so potent so tasty and so unique, he added it to his stash as his #1 personal smoke. People are always asking if I would breed with this plant. Well to be honest I am positive it's located in the Space Queen f2's. Even though we used the largest and slightly different phenotype to breed with, when you grow out the f2's your going to get a slight variation. The smaller phenotypes that are more resinous, harder buds and a more triangular shape that's closer to the Romulan side of things, as the larger and rounded buds are to me more a Cindy trait. I have a weird theory I will share with you, but it has very little scientific basis and is based more on my observations. It seems when you grow out a lot of seeds, the strain has an infinite amount of potency to be distributed. The larger, leafier females that yield more and grow fastier and easier are NEVER as potent as the smaller strains that seem to put more effort into resin production and less into yield.

[Timmyjg6]

Wow!!!!

[The Effen Gee]

Are we getting the book for free here?

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. Therefore these strains are potent as hell, and this is the foundation of how I select my mother plants. There are certainly always exceptions like Jacks Cleaner that is extremely potent and yields well. And there are certainly many others, but take Og kush. I don't grow it, but isn't it a PIA to grow and low yielding? Think of all the super potent extremely resinated strains that don't yield great: G-13, Apollo, Genius, OG Kush and others are all known to be incredibly potent. It's a theory anyway. Growing safely now in a legal med garden, I have been able to grow out some of my genetic stash over and over again. And tweaking each plants soil mix, I am able to maximize the yield of plants that in the past were known as low yielding. This is the case with the phenotype. By lowering her initial nutrient level (cooler soil) and not feeding her anything until day 30, where she received a nice blast of High P poo stew with assorted organic goodies like Sweet Leaf. She responded well to the easy treatment, and I have doubled the yield on her. Every time I harvested her, I would make small adjustments. And I continued to increase her yields to almost three jars just before we built our new rooms. It's a Gas Now we added CO2 (use a consistent abbreviation Co2 or CO2. Choose one and stick with it). are running in the new room. Temps run around 74 degrees and below to control bugs. I read a thread that said co2 wasn't helpful in low temps, but I am going to have to disagree. I have never seen a Tiny Bomb this size. Now keep in mind she had an extended veg under flo's, while we moved over to new place and built the new rooms. But I am certain the co2 added to the girth of the buds. This proves that even with a smaller phenotype you can still learn to maximize her yields, if you just watch the plant and listen to what it tells you by how it reacts to its environment and treatment.

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Are we getting the book for free here?

lets call its a preview :)
Actually Ed only allowed me 40 strains and I have some 90 in my picture files :)

[bombbudpuffa]

I have some GoothunderxVortex. After seeing your pics I can't wait to grow them out now. Any idea who made the cross?

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I have some GoothunderxVortex. After seeing your pics I can't wait to grow them out now. Any idea who made the cross?

Big hearted socal Breeder named Gooeybreeder :)

I hear good things about the cross too!

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Hey man I appreciate this, it's cool getting the inside story LOL. How you find the time or space is beyond me, you must be a busy man. I will definitely be buying the book to go along with the rest of my selection. You've written some stuff here and there before haven't you?

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Hey man I appreciate this, it's cool getting the inside story LOL. How you find the time or space is beyond me, you must be a busy man. I will definitely be buying the book to go along with the rest of my selection. You've written some stuff here and there before haven't you?

I have been writing for Hightimes and Heads and Skunk and Treating yourself magazine now for almost 3 years this will be my first book though and it looks really cool its awesome so many of you are interested in it as well.

making my day guys :rolleyes:

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I hope I dont bore anyone with these images I have been growing this plant a very long time.

A Genetic Lift Off
Apollo-13


Apollo-13 is one of those strains a grower could spend his life learning and one I have been working with for a long time now. The cutting we have is old and hard to work with. She is a bit picky on nutrients and has an almost vine like growth creating a very wide sagging bush that needs a lot of support to keep her from having bud flop. She has a very distinct peppery, yet also a funky rotting fruit smell. She has many different expressions according to environment. She can go from being very fox tailed with dread like airy buds in a warm room to hard tight colas in perfect conditions. She prefers a daytime temperature of around 75 degrees but does not like chilly nighttime temperatures like some strains. As she approaches harvest her fan leaves will sag and curl under making trimming a time consuming process but every bit of her smaller leaves are covered in resin that yields a red bubble hash that has to be tried to believe. Her downside is trimming. I spend a good 4 hours on just the upper portion when harvesting. The buds are covered in swirling curled sticky leaves that take loads of concentration and small scissors to clean up. I focus hard to remove all the sugar leaf as my main goal here is Bubble! I have noticed that actual sugar leaf makes the best hash. When I use pure bud I never get the same yields as with trim leaf. I think its almost a waste. So my buds get cleaned well to make more Apollo-Bubble.
The original information on this Brothers Grimm strain states that only 500 seeds were ever made so to have an original cutting is a big deal. Brothers Grimm are responsible for the famous Cindy99 and a few other killer hybrids and they were big on back crossing to there mother plants to improve stability by “Cubing” a clone only strain. Apollo-13 is Genius x p-75 the 75 indicates that 75% of the desired traits will be determined by the male that has been back crossed twice already.

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This is how it works it simple terms. You have a clone only female cannabis plant youd like to have seeds of. These seeds will produce plants that display 50% of the females traits and 50% of the males. You pollinate her with a male plant keeping a copy or clone of the original mother alive. This is an outcross and these seeds are grown out and the best male is selected based on desired traits. This male is then used to again pollinate the original mother plant. The seeds of this breeding will produce seeds that display 75% attributes of the mother plant. This process is continued twice more until the strain is cubed and in theory 99% of what the mother was. Now the science is much more complicated than this but this is a good lamens explanation of cubing. In fact I find these hybrids add new life to old strains and in some cases the sibling crosses can be as good or better than the mother strain in terms of ease of growth. The Apollo-13 mother plant still is the tops as far as resin is concerned it has a flavor and consistency like no other. Its resin shards up on scissors like clay or plumbers putty and has a deep red color. A small hit of the Apollo-13 red bubble out of a bong on a clean screen is like a heart punch and leaves you making the worst grimace ever seen.
That doesn’t mean I don’t treasure my stash jar of Apollo each harvest I truly do she has a buzz all her own even though she can give you a work out figuring out what exactly she wants each run. I have been growing her in super soil now for 3 years straight in the same conditions and have her just about figured out now as to what she wants and when. She likes a lot of high Nitrogen nutrients all the way up to day 30 of budding or she will start to fade to early making harvest an even bigger nightmare with yellow leaves curled over each bud. Apollo-13 has a harvest window from day 54 all the way to day 65 for a completely different high and flavor. I always top her to make sure she has at least 3 heads and I keep her in the vegetive state ( 18 Light 6 Dark) for a full 2 months to make sure she has a solid root base and enough branch support to yield 3-4 ounces per plant in soil. I use bamboo stakes and plastic coated garden wire to keep her held up once the buds start to form.

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I first saw a cutting in the mid 90’s and most of my internet friends grew her for head stash but she was considered a smaller strain because back then we really didn’t understand temperature control and most of the people growing her were doing so in a bud room with temps above 80 degrees and in many cases close to 100 which almost no strain does well in except pure sativas. Since then we have learned to keep our rooms cooler and we have seen some of the older clone only strains shine in these conditions reaching some decent yields while producing simply primo buds.
We have used this clone to produce some amazing hybrids like Sputnik that’s featured on the cover of Big Book of Buds 3 and Vortex our current favorite medical strain it is in high demand for the happy up buzz it provides while still having a serious punch in potency a favorite of bubble hash makers to. I recently created a new hybrid we call “ The Void” using Apollo-13 and our new Querkle male that has a grape smell and purple coloring and this strain is currently a week into budding and already has a grape scent. One day I will find the male I want to work back to the Apollo mother plant until then we will have a lot of fun testing her offspring.

Breeder Quotes

"Apollo 11 & 13 are from the same mother plant (Genius). The father of Apollo 13 was P.75 whereas Apollo 11's dad is Cinderella 99. Apollo 13's mother was bred from a mysterious hybrid of Jack Herer crossed with an unidentified male which seems to have given it an unusually SHORT flowering period. Its scent is a pungent “Lemon Pledge” citrus with an undertone of acrid skunk. You really taste lemons when you smoke a joint. The high is STRONG, and starts hitting you while you're smoking it, rather than being a “creeper” high. It's easy to grow, matures rapidly, and manicures easily." MrSoul

"The potency of A13 and Cinderella are "on par" in strength, but the character of each high is unique. A13 is a more "happy, social high" although seriously potent. Cinderella has a bit more "paranoia-inducing" high. Neither one has the "couch-lock" effect -they give the smoker an "up", energetic feeling... good for doing something physical, as opposed to lying around comatose." MrSoul


From Brothers Grimm Original Discription

"Apollo 13: This skunky girl will make your eyes water with her pungent perfume. The delicate balance of Indica/Sativa makes Apollo 13 perfect for growers limited to a single strain. The long, fat colas and sparkling, sticky side branches really weigh in at harvest time. This is the type of smoke you can't hold down; it expands and “blasts off” from the lungs. The high is clear and cerebral, without a hint of paranoia. Her citrus flavor and happy high make Apollo 13 very popular at parties! Two hits and you can leave your own footprints on the moon. Flowering: 45-55 days Height: 120 - 150 cm.Yield: 400 gm/m2."



This stuff is Dank boys!

[The Effen Gee]

Man...you should see how huge my cindy 99 greenhouse lady is performing.

transplant size: 2' 8" x 2'

after one week: 4' 3" x 3'

...and can you say stable?

Amazing strain.

Thanks ChemFather.

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Creating Better Cannabis
Many people collect things as a hobby, we are no different except we collect “Elite strains of Cannabis” usually in clone-only format. In the last 25 years I have collected and grown-out hundreds of strains. I have traveled to Holland and attended the Cannabis Cup, 7 times. I’ve also lived in Amsterdam. One thing I believe is that the best Cannabis in the world is still in North America, in some unknown garden and belongs to someone without internet access. We have been lucky enough to collect some amazing examples. Some of my all time favorites are Genius and Apollo-13 by Brothers Grimm, also Killer Queen and Space Queen by Vic High. Our most potent strain is Jack’s Cleaner, a Pluton X LambsBread X Purple Haze freak, which can literally make a non-grower puke if they’re not used to her brutal raw potency. We call it the “they’re coming to take me away” stone. Now, MzJill and I continue this tradition working as a team. She has some of her own favorites as well. The Black Russian strain that gives all of our Sputnik crosses their insane purple coloring came from MzJill via Nebu. Over the past 5 years we have worked with these crosses to create new and interesting varieties. MzJill comes up with her own crosses using her favorites and even helps me pollinate when the males are ready. We grow in 100% organic soil mix I prepare myself using potting soil, bat guano, worm castings, and other natural soil builders. We feel the biosynthesis that takes place in soil adds something that cannot be measured. We use 10 gallon containers so the roots have lots of room. We would like to share with you a little of what goes into breeding a new strain.
Breeding has many complexities that I won’t begin to try and explain here today. But I think our main goal was very simple, to combine an extremely potent “Sativa hybrid” with a “heavy yielding, ultra purple strain”. The results would be a purple strain with the potency added from that parent. What gets tricky is many strains like G-13 are extremely dominant and can take over a cross. When you cross BlueBerry and G-13, usually you just make a nasty tasting, watered down version of both. This doesn’t mean that there are not good Blueberry G-13 crosses; its just breeding is not as easy as 2+2=4. There is also a big difference between “breeders” and “seed makers”. Anyone can take a male and pollinate a female. This is not breeding; it is making copies with large variations. Again if they’re sold cheap, a winner can still be found if enough seeds are grown out. The difference is the selection process of the parent strains.
The Momma’s and The Poppa’s
Selection of the mother plant (or P1) was easy, Apollo-13 is in the top 3 of my favorite strains and I think it may be the most unique strain we have. Blending potency and a bizarre putrid-rotting-fruit smell, that make it a one of a kind. Selection of a male Black Russian was not as easy. The first mistake people make in selecting a male is by choosing the most vigorous. Remember those complexities I mentioned earlier? Well, the recessive drug traits we seek are stashed away in non-vigorous males. Think about the plant in the wild, the natural progression of Cannabis is back to Hemp. The drugs strains we have today are a direct result of human intervention. Robert Clark says it better “In the wild, the early males always win the breeding contest. Without proper selection, these early males cause "acclimatization" of the variety, and a decrease in drug quality. This is the "dominant" state of Cannabis. If it were otherwise, why would we need breeders? All you would have to do is let the plants do their own thing and they would become more potent over time, but they don't. The only way drug varieties ever get better is through human intervention in the natural order.”
So, in order to find these recessive traits we choose males based loosely on the following. At time of germination are there any capitate trichomes on the cotyledon leaves? The number and frequency of non-glandular trichomes; this can be a great indicator of future glandular production. The earliest males to show sex get tossed, no ifs ands or buts. Dominant males are useless for drug (misuse of this rule has caused more hermaphrodite strains than the world deserves) Cannabis. If these basics are followed during each male selection process, then this gives us a much better chance of finding the genes we want. This is not meant to be a guide for anyone, just a basic explanation of what a “Cannabis Breeder” looks for when selecting strains to work with and/or improve upon.
Sometimes taste is the desired goal or maybe potency. I have taken cherry flavored Ortega and crossed it with Killer Queen to create a cherry phenotype called Danny Boy. Danny Boy is done in 48 days and the taste is like cherry candy. The famed Jack’s Cleaner was crossed with a BlueBerry to create Batgirl and then JCB males from that cross have created entire seed companies. Our JCB male has blue pollen sacs and drips with resin.
Also in the works is an Orange Velvet X Space Queen that will be our first Pineapple-Orange offering. This is MzJill’s creation so we have named it JillyBean. Orange Velvet is a PNW strain obtained from “some Hippies” as the story goes. Our goal is to create bad *** strains that we want to grow out and smoke ourselves. Once breeding pairs are selected then they are sent to BadBoy to replicate successful crosses or create insane new things BadBoy’s Astro Boy (Apollo-13 X Ortega C99).


Sputnik 1.0
Once we had the Black Russian X Apollo-13 cross complete we gave it a name. Sputnik seemed like a logical selection and I think you can see we were beyond successful. We grew-out several seeds and we found that basically, we get two different phenotypes. The first is an eye-candy lady that you see so much of, starting with pink calyx and just oozing resin; we knew instantly we had achieved our desired results. Smelling like Blackberry jam and swelling to a wonderful large cola-covered-THC-factory. I will never tire of photographing this girl. At 4 weeks the pink stared changing to a magenta color and even the trichomes took on a pink to purple coloring. This particular phenotype, we gave the name Pinky. The other phenotype (Whitey) was a surprise to me and also a valuable learning experience! Whitey exhibited no purple coloring in fact the plant was ultra-white and during flowering, she almost smelled like a “blue cream soda”. As the plant matured it took on a weird pungent smell and before it cured out a bit, MzJill and I both thought it smelled pretty foul. After about two weeks of curing I decided to give it another chance and it knocked my socks off. A grower friend, who sampled it, said it almost gave her visuals. So we knew the cross had potential. Now how to improve on her again?
Back Crossing
The concept of back crossing, again is simple in theory, you only pollinate to your P1 mother plant using sibling male offspring. Selecting a male from the Sputnik 1.0 cross we then pollinated the Apollo-13 sugar mom, using a male selected by the criteria explained above. The first cross can be explained as a 50/50 and the second a 25/75 with 75% of her make up coming from the Apollo-13 mother. That 75% cross, or Sputnik 2.0, is now complete and ready for the final stage. The seeds arrived at Dr Chronic’s on 4/20, and are now available to the public. The great thing about using this breeding method is you don’t have to stop at 3 crosses; you can always do it again and see what happens. We have a different plan though. Once Sputnik 3.0 is complete, we will then grow out 100 seeds and select 10 males and 10 females. The best will be used to create “Cubed” Apollo-13; these seeds will be stable and extremely valuable representing thousands of hours of work. These seeds can be used to create true breeding IBL’s, or used to find more P1’s for future breeders to incorporate into there genetic pool. TGA and Subcool will continue to strive for the best in new crosses and the search for recessive genetics.


This was my first article and it appeared in Hightimes with Willie on the Cover blew us away.

here are some male breeding shots

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P1-The name of the parent to which a hybrid is crossed in a backcross.
F2- generation : The progeny resulting from self hybridization or inbreeding of F1 individuals is called Second Filial or F2 generation.
F1- generation : The progeny produced from a cross between two parents (P1) is called First Filial or F1 generation.
inbred line- (IBL) - A line produced by at least five generations of sequential inbreeding, self fertilization or backcrossing accompanied by selection within and between lines so that the individuals are considered to be homozygous, or nearly so.
Homozygous - An individual possessing (receiving from parents) identical alleles for a trait is said to be homozygous or pure for that trait, e.g. plant with RR alleles is homozygous for the seed shape. A homozygous always breeds true for that trait.
Phenotype - The external (morphological) appearance of an individual for any trait or traits is called the phenotype, e.g. for seeds, round shape or wrinkled shape is the phenotype
Capitate-Botany: forming a head like mass or dense cluster, as the flowers of plants in the composite family. Enlarged and globular at the tip.
Dominant - said of an allele which by itself alone will produce a particular phenotype regardless of which other allele may be present on the other matching chromosome of the diploid pair; thus it takes only one copy of the chromosome to cause a dominant trait to be expressed in the phenotype.
Genome - the total genetic information possessed by an individual, a breed or a species.
Genotype - the invisible genetic makeup of an individual organism, which includes alleles which may be recessive and therefore have no visible physical expression.
Breeding Better Cannabis - part 2

I have been growing for some twenty-five years now, and I have started hundreds of different strains in my life. Recently I decided to start some Space Queen that I had stashed for many years. Vic High originally created this cross using his Romulan and Cinderella-99. I was never a huge fan of Romulan, although I liked the exotic flavor of Romberry.

This is what Vic had to say about the Space Queen cross.
“Space Queen was the only reason I invested in C99 in the first place. Ever since I heard the description of Soul's princess I knew her and Romulan would be the perfect match. Then prototype crosses between P75 and Romberry started pumping out the winners that have found keeper status in many select gardens. Each of these keepers, exhibit a blend of the C-99 and the Romulan characteristics. Space Queen is a Romulan/C-99 hybrid. Flavor and potency are sure things; both parents are known for their high potency and great highs. Lemon, pine, and pineapple all swirl in a pungent bouquet to tantalize your taste buds!! Vigor will be outstanding and you'll be able to cut back on the light intensity somewhat Flowering time will be comparable to Romberry, averaging eight weeks but depending on grower and grow environment. Yield will be above average, but she won't be a top production plant. I hope she puts a smile on a few faces.”

We started a ten pack of seeds just too finally; give this strain a run organically. We selected the best four males and best four females. I’m sure I will catch some heat from the larger scale breeders for starting with such low numbers, but it is the only pack I had to work with. Each plant was labeled and photographed each week to record progress. Resin was forming extremely early on the stalks and the undersides of the leaf surfaces. By week three of the flowering process (twelve hours of light-twelve hours of dark) each female had taken on a wonderful Pineapple-Lemon-Mango smell.

We selected the male which was the slowest to show sex, this theory is based upon “breeding selection processes” spelled out in my last article. We are looking for the ‘recessive drug traits’ in the male rather than ‘hemp dominant traits’. The male we choose was the very last to show sex and he best met all of our other selection criteria. (The other males were passed along to other TGA members for testing.) Large tight stamen clusters on a selected male is also a good indication of quality, as you can see; our dude has nice tight clusters. You can also see ‘resin blobs’ on his empty stamens. I have never before been able to see the ‘resinous glue’ on an empty stamen, mainly because I have just recently upgraded my camera and I am now able to photograph down to one centimeter. This male was tested by ‘out-crossing’ with a known ‘true breeding IBL’ Orange Skunk, known as Orange Velvet. The off-spring was grown-out to determine if the proper characteristics would be passed on. The out-cross of Orange Velvet and Space Queen was created by MzJill, the strain is known as Jilly Bean. This hot new strain is winning over gardens everywhere; with a dank orange-mango smell and more resin than the original Orange Velvet mom. My favorite phenotype smells like a candy store! We now have a male that we know will pass along the proper taste, potency and in the case of Orange Velvet, added yield as well.

The female Space Queens were labeled as follows; they also took on nick names or trait descriptions to help us keep better documentation of each.
A. Smallest over-all with a funky semi-rotting smell.
B. The most resinous nicknamed Frosty-Queen.
C. Best internodal spacing, potency and largest buds.
D. Jolly Rancher
The females grew rapidly during vegetation period.
*MzJill picked the phenotype labeled C, as the best based on internodal spacing and over all look. As they started flowering, phenotype C still stood out as the best looking, based on size and overall growth.
*The smallest phenotype appeared to have the most resin, B renamed Frosty Queen is over the top with raised trichomes, forming all the way to leaf edge and tip. This is probably the most photogenic plant. You can see the raised trichomes and amazing coverage of resin.

*There is a red phenotype, labeled as D but renamed as Jolly Rancher. It is the strangest and the most unlike the other three. It has a hint of cherry and extremely red pistils that really stand out as the colas dry. My favorite of the four is A. It is less fruity than B and C and has the smell of Genius and Apollo-13. I say it smells like ‘baby poo’ but that’s not right really. It smells of slightly rotten fruit, a slight pungency mixed with fruit and citrus. It was not a heavy yielder. The plant only yielded forty-eight grams on a five-foot bush with four heads, so she was culled. Later I recovered her from a friend and this clone became Tiny Bomb:holysheep:



This is C or our Cherry mother plant

[subcool]

MzJill was completely right about phenotype C. She just became a tremendous plant with large dripping colas that started plumping after day fifty of flowering. She smells a lot like C-99, she has a sweet smell that reminds me of Granny Smith Apples cooked in vanilla. She yielded more than any other plant with four mass heads that just look like showcase nugs. As Phenotype C started curing the nugs took on a candy-like smell with a hint of apples, lime-green in color with bright orange and red hues accented by brilliant resin production. In sunlight it looks like jewelry sparkling like diamonds.

At three weeks of curing the unique cherry smell of D or Jolly Rancher, seems to have faded and although the buzz is extreme, it doesn’t measure up to the other three and will be culled from the heard. Phenotype B known as Frosty Queen may be too small to keep for long term but for now she makes a great head stash with amazing cream colored kief. I still like the flavor of Phenotype A but she grows like a vine and is a bit hard to manage, so time will tell. Phenotype C will be in our garden for a long time and is used as our P1 mom for our Space Queen F2, aka, Space Jill. MzJill still keeps a jar of Space Queen, phenotype C, as head-stash. So now we have a proven male based on out-crossing with a known IBL (Orange Velvet) and we have a female of the Space Queen strain that would be a prize in any garden.

We grew out a good sized Space Queen C and placed her into flowering time, seven days prior to starting the male to assure a good amount of pistils to be pollinated. The male will start to show flowers at fourteen days and by twenty-one days the first stamen will open. We place the female in a room completely separate from our main growing area and place a fan in the room. Jill and I both like to use barely open male stamens to sprinkle grains onto each bud and try and capture the grains of pollen falling in the air. The plants spend a few days together under a 400 watt light with the fan gently blowing the pollen all over the female as each stamen opens. After three full days the female is then removed and rinsed repeatedly with water to de-activate the pollen and make any loose grains non-viable.

It takes a full forty-five to fifty days from this point (after pollination) for the seeds in this particular hybrid, to mature, every cross is different and some may take much longer to fully mature. We generally wait until we can actually see mature seeds protruding from the calyx. We pulled a test bud at sixty-five days flower and ran a germ test on one-hundred seeds and got a ninety-five percent germ rate after the seeds dried for two full weeks. The resulting cross was grown-out in test gardens. The cross took on the nickname Space Jill because MzJill was the one who knew which female was the best long before it had buds. The hybrid has quickly become a favorite because the first one-thousand seeds were given away as freebies. Usually free seeds are not primo, but in this case I had a few people tell me they liked the Space Jill more than the more expensive crosses.

We liked the attributes and stability of the Space Queen male, now known as Space Dude. He has been used in out-crosses with Apollo-13, creating the Vortex; Jacks Cleaner, creating Jack The Ripper
We continue to work with this line to improve upon other crosses or to bring a ‘clone-only’ strain to seed form so that others may enjoy the dankness.

[Roken]

Wassup Subcool? I've been a fan for a while now and love your work as a fellow grower!. I was wondering if you would be intrested In working on a strain I've created, I call it "T.K.O", which was a Tangerine kush male x O.G kush female!! I've found it simply amazing with flavor, and lots of trichome production on a prefferd 8wk flower. You can get a hold of me at Doorsofperception@hotmail.com, I know you would bring out the best in the strain and i would be stoked if you could consider a sow. Peace, Love, and Empathy. Roken

[Puffin Afatty]

Howdy SubCool !!!

Welcome to MP!!! :welcome:

A very good place to impart some of your knowledge indeed. I love your photos, the strains sound interesting too. :rofl:

:farm: I am growing a plant that may get to be a good one yet. Supposed to be a SnowWhite, but is an almost pure sativa pheno, taking as long as 16-17 weeks to finish. I am only in the 5th regeneration now, so I am still in the learning stage with Her. my photograhic skills leave much to be desired, but I have tried to document the last grow here in the grow journals thread. yield is ok, buzz is good too.

:watchplant: I look forward to more of your phine fotografy and breeding info!!!:hubba:

Thanks again for stopping by!!!:goodposting:

[subcool]

Wassup Subcool? I've been a fan for a while now and love your work as a fellow grower!. I was wondering if you would be intrested In working on a strain I've created, I call it "T.K.O", which was a Tangerine kush male x O.G kush female!! I've found it simply amazing with flavor, and lots of trichome production on a prefferd 8wk flower. You can get a hold of me at Doorsofperception@hotmail.com, I know you would bring out the best in the strain and i would be stoked if you could consider a sow. Peace, Love, and Empathy. Roken

Thats so awesome of you to offer and I am sure its worthy of the time and effort but unfortunantly we only except clones or gear from people we know really really well.

Its still an honor for someone to offer though.

Sub

[Roken]

Well maybe next time im in holland, we can meet up at the dampkring and swap some idea's! Peace and Love !!!!!!

[subcool]

I want to tell you the story of the strain Dannyboy and how it got it’s unusual strain name. Before I tell you about the strain let me tell you about the man. Growers by the nature of the game are a secluded lot. The Internet is a great way to still have some form of contact with other humans while not exposing your-self to the security risk of having people know where you live or even what you do. Running a grow is somewhat of a “ball and chain as you have chores to be done at least every 3 days and leaving a large indoor grow can always be a security risk so a grower can become secluded without this outlet.

I met a guy in 1993 that worked in the nighttime and seemed to always be online in the early mornings a lot as he ran a catering company that supplied coffee and donuts to job sites. Yes Blunt ran roach Coaches and they made great chili dogs! Over the years we became great friends meeting for the first time at the Jungle Juice Café in Schiphol airport in Amsterdam. I found out his name was Danny and from that day on we became brothers. I talked he listened and we saw the sites together, always returning to the net and telling all our friends about the cool **** we saw.

Danny always had my back and without getting to detailed he helped me get out of jail many times on his own dime. In 2001 I was working in Amsterdam for a seed distributor and Danny came to the cup for his second time in 2001 and on the second day passed away in his sleep at 38. Seems he had some health and job related stress issues he kept to himself. He was acting strange the night before he passed, winded, and I asked if he was ok, he replied he just needed to lie down and that’s the last time I spoke to him. Over 200 stoners from the Internet attended his funeral. His parents didn’t know a man could have so many friends. It seems everyone liked the guy.


The only true way I could think of to honor this man was to name my first strain after him. He was a big fan of fruity tasty strains and loved the Killer Queen harvested at day 55. Once I found the line I wanted to work with we selected a few males of Ortega X C99 and did some out crossing. The best female was named Taco by stoner friends who made a joke about Ortega being a food company. The male was selected from only 2 boys but heritage is everything in breeding and either would have been a great father. The final product is a hybrid Danny would have loved.

[subcool]

Tasting like Cherry Jolly Rancher Candy and just covered in thick large trichomes this plant is equally good as a head stash or a Bubble plant. It is so frosty I am sure the ratio when making bubble is very high. The dry kief from it is fruity and smooth and just lovely sprinkled on any bud. This weed smells and taste so much like cherries I was surprised at its finished color. Was just destiny and I am sure Blunt was helping from above...

From seed the plant stays very short with wide sharp leaf edges and a dark green color. Only topped once the females were just a short fat bush and as they matured very little stretch was present. Resin showed as early as 21 days and buy 30 days they reeked like Cherry gum drops. Later as the plant reached maturity it took on a solid white frost with a sour cherry smell, the first hit blew me away it was So tasty I was shocked. Once the buds dried and cured for 30 days I would just sit and smell the buds I almost got a Brandy snifter to do so. From clone the only difference in the growth was a faster finish

At First she was just a favorite of Jill and I and then Sunycheba got a cut and then Badboy was given the duplication project and while at it grew out several females all cherry and fruity and potent. The strain finishes very fast which is nice if you run a bit short close to harvest our phenotype was at least 10 days faster than any other strain in the garden. Her down side is she needs extra vegetive time to compete and yield heavy in soil she starts off slow and doesn’t hit her stride in the vegetive room till she’s over 30” tall. This strain has been around so much it has gained quite a following and recently a good friend Irishfatboy smoked some with Wille Nelson. My favorite story from his travels with Dannyboy in his stash is a buddy that was riding with him and when they stopped to break they had some DB bubble hash his friend says “ The colors are getting to me I need to lie down. Irishfatboy sent me a great picture of his buddy passed out on a beach with a huge smile on his face.

Another grower Ganjaden grew out Danny in large tubs full of soil and his results were amazing with his first harvest from a single pack of seeds coming in at over 26 ounces from 6 females. The more people grew her out the more everyone liked her.
I once did a thread on Overgrow detailing the 2001 Cannabis Cup and I mentioned Danny and his story and basically we sold out of the strain over night. We also have a Dannyboy BX or backcross that is a bit larger and more Killer Queen Dominant and that sold out as well. There are a few packs around but its not an easy strain to acquire in seed form anymore. The good news is a great cutting is pretty easy to find as more DB has been grown out than any TGA gear!



Even though not many at Hightimes knew of him or about his death, Danny was truly an American Stoner working his *** off running a business and relaxing with a nice bowl after work. Unfortunately due to the drug war it was usually brick weed, he never complained but he sure smiled when I sent him a care pack. He was the coolest dude I ever met and loosing him was like loosing my brother. He is truly the founding member of TGA and I miss him everyday.
I’d like to thank Danny Danko for allowing me to tell his story.
Respect and Honor

[Roken]

Nice shot infront of the dampkring!, my favorite place to sample hash!!. I remember reading about this story in high times and i'm sorry for the loss of a true friend, it seems like there isnt too many like that left. I bet he'd be honerd to know that you have carried his name on through one of his greatest passions. You are a true friend and im shure he's smiling down on you puffin a fat one!! God bless!!!

[subcool]

I had the idea to start 20 Vortex seeds and find the best 3 males to do a Apolo-13 cubing project. We were only blessed with one lone male out of 21 seeds started and that kind of defeats the concept of increasing our male selection pool. The good news is I ended up with 17 females. Every one a keeper in there own right. I wasn’t expecting so many females and the three I killed early in seed stage would have been no different than these but enough is enough and 17 is enough. I have passed out the extra clones to friends all over and there input will help determine which is the best clone when they finish. I Took pictures of about half of the plants to give you an idea of how nice and even they all are with just slight differences in smell and shape.

The plants were budded in square 2 gallon pots and placed in 12/12 as soon as they showed sexual maturity about 24”. I used super soil in the lower ½ and Roots soil in the upper portion. The plant were budded mainly under a 400 watt HPS in a room that was averaging 60 degrees so I’m sure they are a lot happier now under a 1000 watt HPS with temps in the 70’s. I fed the plants about a week ago as these are really small pots compared to what I normally bud in and it looks like I pushed them just right as just the leaf tips are fried a tad.

I’m very impressed with the quality and stability of this many plants from seed and over 75% look just like clones. This is a very strong line and I am extremely pleased as I have been telling people for over a year how good it is based on the 5 seed run we did last year.

As the plants in bud matured and the clones rooted we started passing the females to more local med growers to run in there gardens. While I knew one would stand out every plant was a keeper in my opinion. I kept three that I liked based on smell and structure and ran all three again through the bud room to determine which was the absolute best to me.

[subcool]

The three phenotypes we kept were named after Chat members on my website. Pistils, Speakers, and SuperRV311 were the tag names they received and it was a lot of fun to have each member pulling for his favorite plant.

The clones were placed in full sized 7 gallon pots and run in my normal fasion on the second run.

The Pistils variation was very Apollo dominant and tasted of Spicey Pepper and fruit. The Speakers variety was sweet and fruity but the high was mellow and not as complex as I prefer. SuperRV311 was just right with a combination taste/smell of Grapefruit and Pineapple that got better and better as the sample cured in a very large glass jar.

We culled the other two females and cloned Super to run in our main medical garden. As with many clones by the third run the plant was performing better than from seed and the buds were extremely hard and dense with a liberal coating of resin.

Everyone that tries Vortex from seed finds something they love. The females are all very similar but slight variations are present and make it easy for each grower to find one that has the taste they like the most.

Super was alone this time and on her third trip through the garden she really hit her stride and the Cola shots from her are simply stunning.
Rock hard resin encrusted Grapefruit buds with just a few ambering up at day 54. I will place her in the dark in two days and let her mature to my taste.

She has so much of what I love in a strain, the sour flavor and offsetting contrast of sweet fruit. Heavy resin and a great Bubblehash strain she will be in my garden for some time to come. Enter the Vortex and see what all the fuss is about.

[subcool]

Lets zoom into the Vortex

[Flyinghigh]

Wow Wow !!
I got lost in all that reading and thos r some Nice looking plants u got there and I just Love the Purples Colors..

[needyman]

damn i love the way bud look

[subcool]

What would happen if we combined the genes of three ultra potent Elite strains all with very different flavors but similar high types? This is the question I set out to answer when creating our new release “The Third Dimension”. The strain Apollo-13 has long been a favorite of mine and many other collectors, it has a very unusual taste and an amazing high. Only 500 of these seeds were ever produced and those lucky enough to grow her never let her go. I have focused a good deal of my breeding efforts in back crossing her looking for the best make up to create an Apollo like hybrid in seed form. We have out crossed her with Black Russian, Space Queen and Now a Combination of SQ and Jacks Cleaner. The second part of the make up is Space Queen a BCGA hybrid of Romulan and Cindy99 and delicious cross with a candy/mango flavor.
The final part of this potent three way is of course my famed Jacks Cleaner mom. If it sounds complicated it was and also a lot of work but thanks to the great people at Heads you will be the first to hear about the project.

Having had great success with our cross Jack the Ripper (JC X SQ) we decided to work with a male and pollinate the Apollo as we also use her to test a males attributes in a known cross. This means we have made a lot of hybrids using her and by growing out her off spring we can determine if he is a good male or not lending either potency and or a different flavor. Once the seeds were mature and removed from the buds I allow the outer husk to dry for 2 weeks and then I refrigerate them for 2 nights stimulating winter, this also removes moisture as well. I am going to try something a bit differently here and pretend I am your average Joe Stoner growing some plants and only having room to start 2 seeds. This will narrow my odds considerably getting a keeper mom but it’s the same real world choices you guys make everyday when it comes to making some head stash of quality meds. I started the seeds in Rapid rooters and transplanted once they established roots. The plants grew very well and under a 400 watt MH grew up fast, I was able to sex one of these at least a full 2 weeks earlier than the other, well that question has been answered and started just 2 seeds we have had great luck and have 2 females. They’re starting to mature enough that there taking on noticeable characteristics. I don’t see a huge difference in the two plants and at 30 days they look pretty much alike.

[subcool]

I am happy so far with this initial run and I can see traits from both mother and father. I mentioned one reason for this cross is to learn how dominant the JTR father we have chosen is going to be. JC parents are known to dominate crosses and Apollo-13 is or base line female since I have grown it out so many times and now also bred with her working this sibling cross will give me a good indication of how the father will react with other moms with use. The plants were transplanted into 5 gallon containers and topped to form a nice bush and when they hit 24” in height they were budded.
These are the signs I am looking for,
Early resin with fast formation of trichome heads and quick maturation of same. This will indicate a Apollo-13 dominant trait. Also I am looking for the weird funk/spice smell A-13 has to shine through and I have that as well. Now I am not testing the strain so much as running it for my own pleasure but while I am at it I will take notes on things to look for in larger generations. One day we will select either Vortex or The Third Dimension to keep as a main TGA strain but for now we can all enjoy the journey. It’s no secret I am a big fan of what Mr Soul did and I am just playing along following the path he blazed.
The shorter female I am extremely excited about having started only 2 seeds and finding an Apollo dominant female means to me anyone getting a pack has a very good chance of it as well. At day 28 she already smells like Apollo momma, heavy resin and short structure with thicker stems is dead on target I couldn’t wait to see what the second half of bud growth brings to us.

Day 35 and beyond



You never stop learning and the biggest leap forward in knowledge has been working closely with both Apollo and JC as well as the man plant Space Dude. We are learning what is locked inside the JTR male visually at first and by this point by fragrance. First off. The Apollo dominant female we call Jane is spot on the mark with A-13 looks and traits with a beefier frame and an added sweet I can’t place yet. Maybe from the Cindy but I was hoping for this exact make up in a female.


At 35 days you can see trichomes that are fully amber just like with A-13 and most are fully formed so were taking speed from the mom and the Bi-father SQ. I added support stakes after this shoot but I could have gone longer A-13 won’t stand up at all at this stage and that alone is a huge plus. I will of course stay on top of this so we can see what we have created. I am also happy to announce that unlike some of our gear this is a Sub project and you won’t see it going away of running out of stock. Just the outcross of JC x SQ and then selecting a male took over a year I don’t plan on loosing my male.

The sativa Dominant female is starting to pack on the buds though and this girl may get huge and hopefully not take forever. She stretched like crazy and I was sure at this point based on smell and resin build up, the buzz will be very speedy with high THC content with virtually no CBD’s, the taste to me is kinda metallic to go along with the spicy smell.
As the Indica reached maturity she took on very tropical smells almost like a Pina Colada or some other frozen drink containing fruits and pineapple. The resin continued to expend and she matured very rapidly. I took her at about day 50 and she was just dripping with resin and gave up 2 ounces of dried cured buds. For a plant not even 36” tall finished I am happy with the results and will keep her in my garden.
Here are my smoke notes
Toke 1#
Sampling very small micro nugs so they will be dry. Inhale is smooth and reminds me of a passion fruit drink I used to get in summer camp. Exhale is smooth and also surprisingly sweet. Instant lobe floating and I started smiling the second I exhaled.
Toke #2
Large inhale and crosses my eyes.
Excuse me one second
Subcool does the happy dance across the Room “IT TASTE GOOD! I am getting High!
Ok that’s what they call a conniption fit I believe.


Toke #3
Our bongs a simple straight glass piece with a large water bin.
I use a simple cheap V shaped 3 hit that I pack about ¾ full and I pull it through in one hit clearing the toob as well. Sticky takes about 3 hits to my one and this is not a diss to Sticky but a reference as to how large a hit I take.
I exhale a cloud


The Buzz on the Indica was soft and pleasant and I sat staring at my pc for quite awhile but I didn’t feel the need for a pot nap but ended up doing a photo shoot. I found myself smoking a lot of this strain in the following week even though I have full jars of some of my other favorites.


The sativa took a full 9 weeks to mature and as predicted the buzz was very racey and not to my liking however a good friend of mine that loves the energy head buzz of pure like sativas absolutely loves it. Even though the plant was very tall it’s total yield was only 3 ounces. I did a smoke test on this one and found the smoke to be flat as airy buds tend to be but after 3 hits I was soaring along jamming to music and smiling my *** off.
No one would complain about its potency and high but its not up to my standards on taste but variety is the spice of life!

The results of my little “plant 2 seeds” idea went very well and I pulled almost 5 ounces and some amazing bubble hash from these two plants. The Indica has been cloned and topped and is just entering bud as I type this ending. I am happy to give this one my stamp of approval!

[Dadgumit]

Fantastic information subcool - thank you very, very much!

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Hey Subcool thanks for taking the time putting up all these pics and information on your strains. :aok:

[original sinner]

verry nice subcool you are a cannagenius. reading your posts has been verry entertaining for me.man id love to meet you and smoke with you. mabey someday who knows.

[allgrownup]

This thread has some amazing information.

mucho gracias. :aok:

[subcool]

I harvested this impressive JTR today but not before I shot some fresh pictures.

[lyfr]

i am without words...yup, no words...i can barely type after seein those:hubba:

[allgrownup]

thats a healthy lookin plant mate. and beautiful pics!

well done n nice growin
:48:

[Ilikebigbuds]

WOW! thanks for sharing with us!

:holysheep: nice ! nice! nice!

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Now that my friend is one frosty lady and a real looker. :hubba: She has so much frost on her makes ya wanna go snow boarding. :p

[Puffin Afatty]

Thanks for sharing SUBCOOL!!!! :aok:

[CasualGrower]

After seeing all these.... I realize I have a LOT to learn.

[KGB30]

I have to give you mad props bro that like being on acideo. lol

[HMGanja]

I cant breath....

[subcool]

Lets go back a few years shall we?
lets look at some of the core genetics that make up the base of our lines.

Super Skunk

Originally found by Squid in a pack Of Sensi in about 1983 this strain was one of the first I smoked that tasted like the dank I first started smoking i the mid 70's when it was called " Homegrown" but cost 100$ a lid when sacs of Panama were like 15$ it resembles our Hash Plant and I always felt they came from the same mom at Sensi you will see the resemblance later
The SSK goes a full 65 and gets frosty and just smells like a dead body that was eatin by a swarm of angry skunks.

It also gives back well.

[subcool]

This strain blew us all away the first time we tasted her. many strain back then kinda tasted like there name but this one could not have been named anything else.

AE gave this cutting out to many people and it has been shared world wide. I have always felt it lacked potency even taken to 70 days but the flavor is amazing and she does very well as a commercial strain yielding well and providing a bag appeal that is hard to top. It's smells like tangerines or ripe oranges, a bud tore open even has the sharp peel smell it is trully amazing.

California Orange by AE

While working on the strain for the book me and Ed went round and round because I could not get him to understand clone specific traits.
Simply Put just buying Cali O seeds wont get you this female.

[Dub_j]

awesomethread!

[yeroc1982]

very nice

[subcool]

Thanks Vic High

Ok Thats covered http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

These are original shots from the selection down in FL what makes this so amazing is this intire room and all these strains went into the back of a Leo van and it was a chore to gain them all back. Some were lost forever but when this place was running full I have 43 different mother plants this is where alot of the work was done that gave us all the crazy moms we have.


This is Killer Queen many diff phenos.

This strain tasted so good with the exception of the G-13 Dominant pheno it was deadly potent but taste is what I am about.
Finally this is Pheno #3 you can see the famous dreading the Cindy causes and compared to the G-13 Dom cola pictured above you can see the Grimm genetics in this girl.

[lyfr]

awesome pics dude. dont mean to hijack your thread but i cannot find any info on genetics of the grape ape im growin. any idea?

[subcool]

Grape Ape could be one of many sources just keep in mind anyone can name a strain what they want. Hopefully your GA will be Grapey and have a nice color.

Sub

[subcool]

This one comes with a story.
gather round my friends,

I was visiting Pi when Sly sent him some seeds and some samples. The small bud was inside a camera case and the smell something I wont soon forget. They all smell close to me Genius, Apollo, Space Queen, but this one sample was extreme. Mango, Sick, Rotting Papaya, sour, tart, citris all of the above.
So we needed baggies for um... sandwiches yeah thats the ticket so we head out to the store to get 1 box and on the way we puff the joint.

So we only get a few hits each before we get to the store and the buzz is coming on very strong I mean like shrooms or something and as we enter the store eyes blazzing but half closed I'm sure we resembled Beavis and Butthead 30 years later.

We both grab carts and tear *** aound the store just looking at all the pretty colors and such and end up facing each other with out two carts in front of the Ziplocks.

We both die laughing I grab a box and we get the hell out before were arrested this was the south http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

Epilouge for months after any weed that went into this empty camera case smelled like Genius this one was lost. I hate weed pigs btw.



Genius
Even 9 years ago I did it the same way ..

[subcool]

I was standing in line one year at the Bluebird waiting to get 4 grams of Malana Cream and the dude was offering Warlock for 50 guilder the reason we used to go to dam was to try new gear so we grabbed two packs and ran em.

Great yields easy to grow and a amazing strawberry flavor that just made everyone want this in fact people were choosing it over blueberry but to me the smoke was harsh, it lacked Resin and character it was quite average imo but it certainly paid for its own keep.

Warlock

[subcool]

Somas Blues by Juan Moore

Blueberry X Soma something I can't remeber nice hashy taste with Berry undertones. His Stoney Baloney cross is grown by Clips

His JC s1 x Cali O gave us 7-up a small inspiartion for our new Lemon Orange Cross Agent Orange

STP is an old friend and has had my back many times.
he once drove 400 miles just to shake my hand when I got outa the joint after a long stay, thats friendship on a whole different scale.

Thanks for the good times bro http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Somas Blues

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These are original pictures from my first JC cross. Now these pictures are impressive as hell and the dank make people drool and fall over eyes roll back and TILT! Lots of seeds and lots of time and lots of work have passed my hands and I know absolutly know that SQ is a Much better father for any breeding project. The goal is to make something potent have that Berry taste and its really not that hard to do but side by side JC was always more potent than her Blueberry kids.

The same cannot be said for JTR it is absolutly as good as JC if not better due to it's short structure and faster finishing time.

However I can garantee there will be crys of Batgirl when these pics go up she was the ultimate SOG plant growing a bud on a stick from just rooted clone.


Batgirl

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One of the better tasting females we found in this hybrid with huge variation was Berry White, yes catchy name I know hehe. picking up heavy Blueberry flavor with an amazing amount of resin this one I wouldn't mind having back at least for a few runs in the last batch of JCB we ran I did not see a female that matched the character of these girl.

stay tuned lots more to come.

Ok I am gonna leave you with some full shots and finally FrostyB the final JCB female kinda earthy but this one was total impact and a nap followed any session.

[Flyinghigh]

One of the better tasting females we found in this hybrid with huge variation was Berry White, yes catchy name I know hehe. picking up heavy Blueberry flavor with an amazing amount of resin this one I wouldn't mind having back at least for a few runs in the last batch of JCB we ran I did not see a female that matched the character of these girl.

stay tuned lots more to come.

Ok I am gonna leave you with some full shots and finally FrostyB the final JCB female kinda earthy but this one was total impact and a nap followed any session.


Nice grow subcool and thank for all the great pix..
I sure like the pix on the bottom right that looks BlueBerry

[toke@smoke420]

subcool im hooked on your pics already.... wow all i gotta say i hope someday i can compare with your skill, practice makes perfect right? well heres tons of thanks, and keep us posted.

[ganjagiggles]

Hey man, I was wondering about any way we can obtain full uncompressed photos taken with your beautiful Nikon man. I need to see the real pics of that sexy Nikon at work!

[allgrownup]

oooooooooough....(wipn up drool)


that would be killer. :hubba:

[KGB30]

Looking good Subcoool. Sweet garden of ladies. You should enter some of those pictures they are spectacular. Great job.

[Dub_j]

I was in barnes and noble the other day and saw that pink bud on the cover of "buds" it was pretty cool to see that, your kinda famous!

[DomsChron]

The man from Heads magazine. Haha a pleasure to have you here at Marijuana Passion. I recently read about a strain called Sputnik 2.0. I thought it was awesome that you crossed 2 different types of Apollo-13 and Black Russian. It said one plant recently torn down outdoors was over 9 feet and produced over 4 pounds of brilliant purple smoke LOL I think I quoted it well.

[subcool]

Ganja Giggles you can see my art in raw form when my book comes out in sept.
Its Called Dank

KGB30 I am a professional photographer it wouldnt be fair for me to enter what I get paid to do but thank you for your kind words.

Dub J guess whats even Cooler?
I bred the strain on the cover as well as taking the shot :)

[subcool]

Sputnik Outdoors
We no longer make this cross as we found s better tasting mother to work with.

[tcbud]

awesome.....

[Runbyhemp]

Hey subcool ... very nice shots man :aok:

Do you mind if I ask a question ? if you were to give growers on this site 4 tips for getting better bud shots, what would they be ?

Many thanks ... RBH

[subcool]

“I wish I could take pictures like you do Sub” is a statement I see more than any other. I have no formal training and everything I have learned I taught myself. If I can you can! Since my very first opportunity to look through a macro lens I have been hooked. Cannabis is such an amazing subject and through a powerful macro lens it can take on an almost Alien appearance. While I would not begin to try and teach anyone about Photography technique ( I am still learning myself) I think I can offer some pointers to greatly improve the pictures most of you take of your favorite plants.
The basics people often forget are to use a well-lit white room, no incandescent lighting its produces yellow hues. No toilets, buckets, brooms moms or dog turds in the background take the time to clean up a bit or you might end up with a shop vacuum in a Cannabis magazine with your favorite plant.
The next thing is the one that is going to upset you hydro growers. You cannot take proper pictures under a HID light. While white balancing and editing with photo software can make a picture taken under HID better you will never achieve the results I do until you use a properly lit area to photograph in. Without spending a fortune on fancy lights and reflectors you can still take amazing shots with a very in expensive “Light Tent”.
I set mine up by using some white sheets and several CFL bulbs mounted in painters reflectors you can buy at any hardware store in the painting section.
Cut the sheets or cheap white fabric into 4 foot wide sections and select a bright corner of a room to hang 3 sections to form a box open on one end. Once the cloth is in place position your CFL lamps on the outside of the tent facing the cloth so that the light is deflected in an even pattern. I like to use a combination of natural sunlight type bulbs and bulbs that lean to the blue side of the spectrum. Try placing the bulbs in different locations to see what effect they lend. Experiment till you get the best even lighting but do not take this lightly if you do not have enough external lighting your pictures will not be as sharp as you would like.
Next on the list is a good back drop to contrast your subject. You don’t have to spend a fortune here either cheap cloth is 1-3$ per yard and even fine crushed velvet is only 5-7$ per yard. Two square yards is plenty to shoot against and over the past few years we have collected some 2 dozen different ones to compliment either the color of the bud or the festive time of year like Christmas or the Skull cloth I use for Halloween shots. Invest in a few but make sure Black and Purple Velvet are among the ones you collect first. We hang the back drop and position the plant in front but at least 12-16” distance between back drop and subject. You want focus on Bud not backdrop.
It’s finally time to talk about camera’s! You might think you need some ultra expensive DSLR to get great close ups and it does help but my Cover shot of Sputnik on the cover of Big Book of Buds 3 was taken with a Nikon Coolpix Digicam. How was I able to achieve this with a simple point and shoot camera with a fixed lens? I used a Tripod! This is the one thing so many amateur photographers take for granted. When taking close up shots everything has to be perfectly still and even the steadiest of hands will waver as the shutter opens and closes. So what ever type of camera your using mount it on a tripod. When researching a point and shoot digital camera for use on close ups the only important factor is the minimum focal distance. This will be in the specifications of the camera. The Nikon Coolpix 5400 has the ability to focus as close as 1cm from the lens although 2cm is more common with most point and shoot cameras today.
If your camera won’t get closer than that with a fixed lens your close ups won’t be as sharp or as close as you want. The final aspect of close up photography I employ is a lens mount ring flash. This is critical to get really close and still have proper lighting on the subject. While I now shoot with a professional rig and a Sigma Ring flash when I started I simply built my own using this great online tutorial.


http://brainerror.net/texts/howto/macroring/

Without a lens mount lamp or flash your camera body or even the barrel of the lens itself may block the external light and cause shadows. Using a ring light is the easiest way to prevent this and also provide enough illumination to capture a close up shot in a crisp clean form. Led lights really make trichomes stand out and its pretty easy to fashion a home made light using a few of these inexpensive bulbs.
Once I learned a few things and I was able to sell a shot to Big Book 3, I decided to buy a SLR camera and a nice macro lens. I took it out of the box and my first 100 pictures were terrible. It is amazing how many settings a point and shoot camera figures out for you, automatically and when its left up to you some education is required. What I am saying is it is much easier to get good close ups with a point and shoot macro camera than it is with a SLR until you learn a few basic settings. As I said I won’t try and teach photography but I wanted you to understand unless your willing to put in the time a Digital camera may be a better choice than a full blown SLR.
Photography is an amazing and addictive hobby and there is always a better lens to buy or a better tripod or something exotic like Macro Rails, but that doesn’t mean it cost a lot to get started, I bought my first Nikon on Ebay for under 400$ with a Nikon SL-1 ring lamp included.
Several months later a photograph taken by me with that camera was featured on the Cover of Big Book 3. It went on to take many pictures for many magazines and books! Dare to dream and there are no limits to what you can achieve.

[Runbyhemp]

Many thanks for answering subcool, much appreciated. Shooting with flash at high shutter speeds usually gives me ok results under HID. Not much use for those macro shots though.

RBH

[growboy19]

subcool you are my idol

[Ms. Jievil]

Wowie.

[subcool]

This first shot was made famous in a online article I did for OG called Winter Wonderland I have recreated it here but it's not even a great shot compared to what I am capable of now.


Jacks Cleaner Myth or Legend


You may not have heard of the strain Jacks Cleaner, but among collectors of Elite genetics it has become somewhat of an urban legend. This is due to a few factors. The first is I grew it for many years before other respected growers tried it and let me know it was probably the best Sativa Hybrid in existence. In 1997 I had a gathering known in breeder circles as “Jamaica 1” several respected under ground breeder/growers met at my place and we spent 3 days toking testing talking and feasting on BBQ and southern food. We had a un official judging and JC won every first place vote. Now maybe the guys were just being nice because I tossed the gig but I knew at least I had found a great strain. But where did it come from?
I got my first PC in about 1994 it was an Acer 133 and soon found a great deal of information on Cannabis, certainly not anything like today but it led me to grow chats where I met others that shared an interest for growing. One of the first I became close online friends with was a guy with the nick ‘Skoosh’. I was amazed that there was another seriously hard working tax paying Loyal American that waked and baked everyday of his adult life. We swapped stories online, toked while we typed and found out we both love ice cream. He offered me some seeds and over time traded around what we each had. He sent me about 200 seeds of a old strain called Skoosh that was pretty infamous in his circles and I started cracking large treys looking for a keeper. The make up of these seeds were Pluton, Lambs bread, Purple Haze, and Northern Lights. What mix or pattern these crosses occurred I am not sure. Most of what I found was not impressive, super thin spindly sativa’s and mutants with whorled leaves. I did find a few that seemed normal and grew them to maturity. Of all the seeds I started over a period of a year one phenotype stood out. It was a extremely resinous ultra lemon wonder. It reminded me of a house hold cleaner named “Mr Clean” So I named it “The Cleaner”. It had one poor trait and that was weak stems and smaller size. I had not yet read botany and we all thought breeders were smarter than god so it was just luck I had a Jack Herer male from Sensi Seeds that I was to lazy to kill and just placed in a dark garage. It refused to die so I placed a small 12” Cleaner clone with him and she produced about 35 seeds.
From these I selected the best female and tossed all the males. From these was the Phenotype many now consider to be the holy grail of Cannabis, Jacks Cleaner is a large heavy producer with ultra white raised trichomes that actually give the plant a gooey appearance. Heavy citrus with over bearing lemon smell and taste I have yet to see anything like it. In 2003 we out crossed the P1 mother with a JC X blueberry offspring and created JC bx. This first stage back cross recently won third place in the 420 cup in Amsterdam by a grower named HOG. It had a 12 day cure and blew everyone away as he was an unknown in there neck of the woods. There is some confusion cause many that have the JC bx misstate the fact and say they have JC leaving off the BX indicating a back cross.
This year I started Space Queen by Vic a hybrid cross of Cindy-99 and Romulan. I never considered it something impressive but it has blown Jill and I away. It is extremely potent fast maturing and just an amazing flavor. Pineapples and mangos with a candy like fragrance it has become our stash smoke. We have now decided to cross the JC P1 with the best Space Queen male we found.. Many would argue you need thousands of plants to start with for selecting to be considered a ‘True Breeder” but I think 30 years of growing and a keen eye for recessive traits can compensate starting from a smaller gene pool and the feed back from our medical users backs up my theory.
You can see by the photo’s that JC is not a normal hemp dominant plant. Just the speed of resin production makes her somewhat of a freak .You can see how the large raised resin heads give some shots a glass effect. I will attempt to describe toking JC from a clean bong, the smoke is crisp and thick with a heavy lemon oiliness that seems to coat the sinuses with citrus, it is a bit harsh and tends to make me wince, then the expansion starts and if you took a small enough hit and don’t cough the buzz is instant. At first the buzz is visual and very cerebral. Then the other side starts creeping and you feel as if you smoked some heavy indica. The munchies come on and after you eat plates full of bizarre food combinations you are ready for a nap. Once you are used to the high it has amazing analgesic properties and a good friend said it even made him last longer with his GF due to it’s pain relieving aspects.
Jacks Cleaner

1985 SSSC (Nevil's)
NL#5 X Pluton
Back crossed into the original NL#5 mom.
NL#5/Pluton X Purple Haze
Backed into the NL#5 mom
Outcrossed to Jack Herer

Subcool is the Author of Dank:
The Quest for the Very Best Marijuana
Available at www.dankgearonline.com (http://www.dankgearonline.com/)

[subcool]

This strain is an old time favorite and it was passed on to friends up north and recently Homegrown and friend of Badboys sent me these pictures from his grow in the great white north. It is what MsJill would call original kind bud as it has that skunky fruity smell of the first Indica strains I ever tasted. I originally received this clone from Squid and it gained the name Cuddlefish to separate it form the BC hash plant. This is a different strain and was found in a pack of Sensi Seeds in about 1984. It is extremely similar to the mother plant Super Skunk used in our Neon Skunk Hybrid but there are subtle differences that differentiate the two phenotypes. Hash Plant has a sweeter flavor and a speedier finish SSK has as the name implies the smell of something rotten and while Hash Plant is a high odor strain it smells more of rotting fruit that rotting meat.
The main attribute of this plant and why we use it in breeding projects is it has an extremely short profile and minimal stretch, having a large mass center bud its perfect for Coli and cage style growing but also does well in DWC or soil when vegged to a proper size. Finishing in 8 weeks with large rounded colas she will turn all shades of the rainbow as she enters the final stages of floral maturity. You can see the beautiful reds, yellows, and maroons present in Homegrowns amazing pictures.
I have also grown this plant outdoors and it yielded some big numbers for sure and even in the mid west of the USA it was able to finish before the first frost came. The Outdoor smoke looked great and had a sweet smell but I think the fertilizers used in the corn fields gave it a harsh taste but I’m kind of a pot snob about Organics anyway. I have seen full rooms of her run in DWC with amazing totals, it’s almost bred for the super fast vegetive speed of Buckets. With many strains hydro is so effective that you can’t really grow a large plant or the stretch during the first weeks of 12/12 means to much height. Hash Plant only stretches about 2X in Hydro and even less in soil.
When topping the plant can be so thick in a crowded room the canopy can get so think I have removed fan leaves to allow more light down into the canopy this is one crazy bush when topped more than once. I had a mom once that was budded and regenerated and I bet she had 30 heads on her she only grew about 10” after going to a 12/12 light schedule and the canopy was so thick she basically yielded just one layer of triangle shaped buds.
We like this cross so much we used her to create one of our earlier crosses that Suny gave the name Conquistador to. I hate typing all that and among fans it has the nick name Connie. Known for her Huge towering columnar buds she has a fruity watermelon smell that is quite incredible the first time you smoke it tasting almost like artificial watermelon gum flavoring like in Hubba Bubba bubblegum. Some people who try this strain first out of all our genetics become such loyal growers they never try any of the more speedy hybrids we produced later. Connie proved to be extremely stable and out of many grows across the planet I am always able to spot this massive cola courtesy of Badboy on his first run of his new strain created using my proven moms.
Our latest creation following Connie is Zorro following the same theme as Conquistador but a shorter handle I don’t mind typing. I believe collected older stock is always the best way to create a hybrid today as most of the genetics I see available are pretty un impressive. We run so many strains among our little group of friends and I am not going to dog any one out but just last year we ran White Russian, Sugar Chemo, Blueberry Northern Lights, Dab, and a few others in search of decent fathers to create new hybrids. None of these met our criteria for head stash the very first that must be met in order to merit a second run in our grow room much less the breeding area.
I had been hording a pack of Grimms Mix for about 8 years and the source was the same as or amazing Ortega male so I have a lot of confidence in our new out cross Bigfoot using hash Plant as the Mother and Grimm male we selected based on methods established by me in earlier breeding projects. This strain is under going testing and should be available by mid year.
This strain has been adopted by many commercial growers in Canada as a heavy yielding potent strain but it is also known for needing large Air Scrubbers to deal with the funk it creates especially during harvest. The stone is a Heavy Indica with full blown munchies and the typical pot nap this strain is very good for those seeking relief from insomnia or weight loss.

[subcool]

Ortega X C99
Gifted to me I started the seeds cause they sounded exotic and some time luck can play a role in anything. The male from this line was like cherry flavoring and anything he touched became instant red bud, Dannyboy still shares the trait and Connie also has a reddish hue to her pistils once dry.
The Astroboy cross was Apollo-13 Dom but still took on a nice cherry undertone.

This male was lost by a former fng up north heh **** happens his genes were preserved in his children.

[subcool]

Sorry about the Double JC Post I am stoned and lost my place. I made a check list now won't happen again.

This strain was gifted to us by captain crunch and it was bred by shroomey. I was pretty excited about this strain at first its a Columbian gold cross but it had an agry buzz in the end. I ran her in soil and MzJill ran her in Hydro using Lucus. The water girl out yielded me by like 40%.
This strain is liked by many but after a few runs we let her slide on.

[subcool]

So this one has a wierd story..
In the canopy pics From Fla I had plants that somehow didn't make the file Oscilate saved and returned to me just recently. Sensi Star and Kali Mist from Serious are two I can think of. I ran the Kali Mist and a few days before I had the dreadful visit from the weed goon squad I passed on the 4 males to Tommy^2 and he used one or all of them to pollenate a Blue Widow Female from NCGA.

The resulting cross was sent to me in bean form when I got out west and I ran em.
Incredible flavor and up racey buzz with a Lime margarita flavor the only problem is its the tallest plant I ever grew and just kills you canopy yield due to the bulb being raised so high.

Lets check her out.


KM X BW

[subcool]

This one comes with a story as well but I will keep in condensed.
I bought these seeds twice and lost em in the Leo attacks
Finally Suny ordered a pack and run em through and gave me a cut of the best female.
The first bubble that was popped was Serious stabilty this pack was all over the place and not one female resembled the other I feel this is caused by the age old practice of letting an f2 generation set up a future breeding pool using multiple males or something else I just know I expected Serious gear to be better.

Huge yields easy to grow ok taste and ok buzz.
I guess I just expected more and I was crushed when I realized my heroes were just people http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif


White Russian

* The Black Russian was even better IMO??

[subcool]

Ok back up afew pages and check out Hash Plant again remeber I said it was secured with BB? Well he wasn't all that great controlling pollen and a ******* mess was made. lucky for us the house was full of Very nice moms and taco was a very good boy. Now for you proponants of use of multiple males do you thing we would have got these kind of results using 5 taco males? Wait there was only one never mind http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

Good thing the Ganja gods like us.
GoGo gadget karma


Now Badboy is my best man and he is the hardest working stoner you have ever met. These were grown by some FNG and unless I'm wrong he is the ****** that let taco dry out. Now these guys battle extreme conditions and Mites that apparantly bite so I aint mad I am more joking about it yes I wish we had Taco but in the scheme of things the genetics were not lost as I mentioned before so if that FNG is reading this it's all good man http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I am stil blown away by this garden.


Want to see some big ******* buds?



Yes I know its ridiculous http://www.breedbay.co.uk/forums/images/smilies/canabis.gif

[subcool]

Another Colateral damage from the Taco male blowing his nads all over a HUGE room of plants I mean come on you have seen the size og BB's rooms I can't imagine a 6 foot male blowing up in one.

Apollo-13 X Ortega X Cindy how can that suck?
Well let me tell you friends and neighbors it does not

If you havn't seen the coolest smoke report ever written let me hook you up.

Hope your well!
You have told me how you love the indicas that you grew up smoking, how do you feel about a sativa?
I too mostly grew up on the heavy strains, a sativa was always a treat.
I have had audible/visuals trips on weed. I have "shrunk"
and had a couple surreal experiances, which brings me to this
astroboy.

The few tiny bottom/bottom buds dried on the moniter did absolutly nothing for me that I noticed.
So several days later I took the bud from the end of the branch that I had already molested,
threw it on a platter that mostly stays on my coffee table under a ceiling fan to dry out the wetass weed we smoke most of the time and let dry for a couple of days.
When I couldn't stand it any more I cut it up still pretty wet
bud, cleaned out my pipe and fired upabowl while *** slept.

It smoked real nice...THE END!

Haha............ Now REALLY what happened next hasen't happened since I was a teen.
Heart rate went up, and my mind
seemed like it was jacked into a mainframe.
The thoughts totatly detached and unrelated
rushed through my mind at a breakneck speed.
This **** ain't quite done with me yet though as it setteled down, well it seemed like it settled down but as I was about to find out it was only 1 "wave" of many.

I felt as if I was floating, my body very light and seemingly
barely attached to my mind.
I had a "third eye" that seemed to view a slide show,
in my head that was totatly unrelated to the mad rush of thoughts that had flooded back over me.
So there I sat looking in looking out not really seeing anything thinking "at least I'm not paranoid", while watching cartoons through my third eye.
I go up to my grow room to look at my plants almost 2 hrs. has passed since I smoked. I said **** this **** & loaded another bowl and fireditup.

Woke ***, and stared into space while she smoked a cigerette When I went to bed my body kept "sliding sideways across the bed while it maintaned the surreal unattached feeling. Laying there in the dark I watched what I mostly remember as Steamboat Mickey cartoons along with flashes of light, through my third eye, fianally going to sleep about 4:30 3 hrs. or so after I started my session.

I told you I'd tell you how it smoked...
It's a keeper for sure in my garden.
I'm letting it go a while longer as the trics are still most all clear, and it probably needs to settle down a little bit, I'm not as young as I used to be.
Take Care,
fried out

So when you see a friend of TGA say I want to see Mickey..Now ya know.


Now when they were sorting they mxed up a huge pan of Astroboy with some Connie and also some Danny. I would only release that pan as a Mix we named the Fiesta Mix. Most of these packs sold for 10-15-and a max of 20 USD.

Now you know the History of the first Mix.

Astroboy
I must address the loss of Taco

Space Dude is Better we have all the Moms

Enough said.

Thanks Badboy for being there for me when the **** hit the fan.

These are from a Friends of TGA

[subcool]

Back at Squids while I was busy making Dannyboy I also selected a JCB male and back crossed the JC. This was a great chance to learn more about breeding and what parents lend to a sibling as I had grown both parents and got to know them in detail. Now one of the traits we want JC to pass on is yields she pays huge and so did the JC bx. I felt the variation was to great even though this strain won 3rd place at the 420 cup,

After growing out several and colecting data I passed on this cross as well.


Many people still grow her and she was used to make Soul Cleaner a very interesting cross.

Lets check her out

JC bx

JC f1 x JCB

Ed wanted to remove this from the Book but what he didn't understand is this strain taught us so much and we started over and the results were JTR.

No one would argue now JTR is in a class by itself but without JCB we wouldnt know this :)

[subcool]

While Pinky dominated the cover of Big Book 3 it wasn't my favorite variation in the strain Sputnik.
The White one was more A-13 dom and just mind bending.

With all the outcry for colored weed many people missed the fact the white phenotype was Extremly potent like see **** strong.

When selecting a male for the Sputnik 2 cross we selected non colored males.

Taste like Cream Soda

A friend or ours said it made the trees in her yard appear cartoon like and actually scared her a bit it came on so strong compared to the commercial street weed she is used to and said she had never tripped on weed before:holysheep:


I'm going to take a break and get some other things done.

Comments are welcome and motivational.

Sub

[The Effen Gee]

Madness.

[canibanol cannonball]

words cannot describe my apreciation for your efforts. Thank you

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Hey sub thanks for taking the time writting all the descriptions of your strains and posting up those killer pics. Damn man you have some mad growing and picture taking skills. :aok: It's like art work i'm telling ya. :hubba:

[mebeafarmer]

Subcool,

wow.....................................

Thank you,

farmer

[flaboy420]

wow those are sick pictures:holysheep:

[mebeafarmer]

simply amazing - thank you subcool!

[painterdude]

subcool, I looked at this thread because of the title, 'Cannabis by Nikon' and I guess I wanted to tell the sad story of buying my Nikon in China Town in San Francisco, trying to return it because of being screwed and they called the police and I still have the very, very expensive $200 Nikon that I paid way too much for......anyways.....

what a treat, what a read, what an adventure subcool......love your writing, pictures and passion......thanks so much.....but......I have a question or two...

I have been asking around the site about harvesting, drying and curing.....I guess I would like to know if you have anything to offer concerning these processes????????? I am especially worried about mold because of excess moisture due to rain here on the coast of Oregon.......should I carefully break up the buds into little, easy-to-dry sizes?.....and place them on a screen, in the dark, 70-75 degrees with a oscillating fan on low??????.....

Only have one female, a bubblegum from 'bcseed company'......she is spindly, small and doesn't look like allot of 'dried weight'......but the trichs are still clear, leaves are green, minimal amber on flowers and she is indoors in front of a window, without lights.....and am getting less and less amounts of sunlight.....

And do I have to do a 'water flush' before I harvest?......she only eats organic......bat guano 0-7-0 and a smidget of bat 8-3-1 and one tblsp of black strap molasses....all mixed in a gallon of well water.....she is fed every other day, not allot, but enough for run off......don't know if these pics will help.....am old, shake allot without a tripod.....thank subcool....the painterdude...

oh yeah, she started flowering very late, around the seventh of Sept, so she is in her 11th week now, and the gardening-wife wants me to keep letting her flower.....very confused now, it's getting very dark, earlier and earlier now......

[DomsChron]

Hey buddy I just ordered four of your strains can't wait to try em' out! Hopefully should be my new profession soon.

I ended up getting two strains from hemp depot and two strains from breed bay (I was only joking about the profit buddy :aok: )

I can't wait to start this thing up! I will be using your super soil mix in some, and others will be put in massproducer's cocoa bucket's to simulate the water table.

So far:

Vortex
Qleaner
Bubba Kush
Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen

I will be adding more soon, but I don't have enough to grow so many of them out because I will be growing four other strains out as well.

I was wondering, can you tell me anything about how you went about making Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen? I was interested about what generation the "Jack the Ripper" phenotype is found in. I am such a fan of these original Jack's Cleaner genetics!

I am looking forward to growing these out and untill then I will be hitting bongs of some of my Northern Lights X Hawaiian X Lowryder for you! :bong1: :bong1:



P.s. Do not even listen to one word painterdude said he has no idea what crap his $200 Nikon point-and-shoot is :rofl: He has DISGRACED the great NIKON name!

[painterdude]

Hey buddy I just ordered four of your strains can't wait to try em' out! Hopefully should be my new profession soon.

I ended up getting two strains from hemp depot and two strains from breed bay (I was only joking about the profit buddy :aok: )

I can't wait to start this thing up! I will be using your super soil mix in some, and others will be put in massproducer's cocoa bucket's to simulate the water table.

So far:

Vortex
Qleaner
Bubba Kush
Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen

I will be adding more soon, but I don't have enough to grow so many of them out because I will be growing four other strains out as well.

I was wondering, can you tell me anything about how you went about making Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen? I was interested about what generation the "Jack the Ripper" phenotype is found in. I am such a fan of these original Jack's Cleaner genetics!

I am looking forward to growing these out and untill then I will be hitting bongs of some of my Northern Lights X Hawaiian X Lowryder for you! :bong1: :bong1:



P.s. Do not even listen to one word painterdude said he has no idea what crap his $200 Nikon point-and-shoot is :rofl: He has DISGRACED the great NIKON name!

Dom, it's a Cool Pix 5400.....nice, little, light weight camera....not too complicated of a menu

The problem was buying it at an inflated price, close to $800 and another $300 for a battery, a leather pouch, and a USB jobber for downloading to computer's iPhoto....and california sales tax

And, my wife kept coming back into the store, trying to get me to leave......and I didn't listen to her....

Anyways, that night we search the internet, found the camera for $400 and a $200 rebate......hence the term, 'the $200 camera'

So basically speaking, I paid too much for everything and the cops were buttheads with doggies......I've taken over 6,000 pictures with it.....but I don't LOVE it, I just LIKE it....but, would LOVE a SLR.......Nikon of course....but Canon has the Rebel.....hmmmmmmm

[homegrown998]

Subcool, your on a level most people can only dream of. Those are some of the most beautiful pictures Ive ever seen. I wish I could scratch n sniff my screen. Its really dry around where I'm at and your pictures actually made me mad to the point of tears, no joke.

[subcool]

Hey buddy I just ordered four of your strains can't wait to try em' out! Hopefully should be my new profession soon.

I ended up getting two strains from hemp depot and two strains from breed bay (I was only joking about the profit buddy :aok: )

I can't wait to start this thing up! I will be using your super soil mix in some, and others will be put in massproducer's cocoa bucket's to simulate the water table.

So far:

Vortex
Qleaner
Bubba Kush
Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen

I will be adding more soon, but I don't have enough to grow so many of them out because I will be growing four other strains out as well.

I was wondering, can you tell me anything about how you went about making Jack the Ripper Jack's Cleaner P1 X Space Queen? I was interested about what generation the "Jack the Ripper" phenotype is found in. I am such a fan of these original Jack's Cleaner genetics!

I am looking forward to growing these out and untill then I will be hitting bongs of some of my Northern Lights X Hawaiian X Lowryder for you! :bong1: :bong1:



P.s. Do not even listen to one word painterdude said he has no idea what crap his $200 Nikon point-and-shoot is :rofl: He has DISGRACED the great NIKON name!

Dom,
Your CC has been declined several times and now I have a signed book sitting with your nick on it.
Dioxide has tried to contact you several times but I think he must be using a dead e-mail

can you contact him and clear this up please??

SUb

[subcool]

Dom, it's a Cool Pix 5400.....nice, little, light weight camera....not too complicated of a menu

The problem was buying it at an inflated price, close to $800 and another $300 for a battery, a leather pouch, and a USB jobber for downloading to computer's iPhoto....and california sales tax

And, my wife kept coming back into the store, trying to get me to leave......and I didn't listen to her....

Anyways, that night we search the internet, found the camera for $400 and a $200 rebate......hence the term, 'the $200 camera'

So basically speaking, I paid too much for everything and the cops were buttheads with doggies......I've taken over 6,000 pictures with it.....but I don't LOVE it, I just LIKE it....but, would LOVE a SLR.......Nikon of course....but Canon has the Rebel.....hmmmmmmm

I took the cover on big book with a Nikon cool pix 5400 :)

[subcool]

Now this is one of the first crosses we did a fairly large selection starting with 50 seedlings and working our way down to the best male.

I really didnt know the responce would be so huge to this strain and it promply sold out. We made a second batch and its gone as well.

TOB re selected a male sp1 based on new data and she has the male picked out and him and Apollo-13 are growing we should have the new ser