Rokens intervention thread

[Hick]

Posted by Roken
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R.I.P stephanie,
I have a really close friend who is on heroin right now, he smokes it on tin foil while he inhales through a hollowed 5 inch straw. I love this guy like family you guy's, i just dont no what more i can do. As a drug user this guy can hold his own and then some, i mean the guy who wants 2 when 1 does the trick. He has lost about 35 pounds in the last month and a half and im afraid i cant help him no more. He some how still manages to work for exon oil like 70hrs a week and im also afraid he's going to blow people up on accident, i will really feel guilty then:(
His parents found out about 2 months ago and his dad flew from georga over here to california. His dad and some close friends of his locked him in the room and took his phone and erased all the numbers and would only let him out to work, his dad would drop him off and pick him up while he was down here for 2 weeks. His dad had to return so he wouldnt loose his job so he left after the 2nd week, his daughter happend to lived with him, so his sister was told to look after him and call if he started again. Before he left he called me.... And said "roken.... i know your his best friend and that he looks up to you and i want you to do me a favor". He said " I dont want to see my son die before i do because that aint right, i dont want to go through that so you need to help me here". He says "If he starts using again i know you will find out or he will be honest with you, so if he start up please call me so i can fly back and do this again". He then left back to georga, i couldnt believe what had just happend, and the position he put me in. Yesterday night his son came over, we hung out in the garden and had some laughs and some joints to catch up over the last few weeks. So he starts to smoking herion as im watering my babies right, he just gets about done when i realize what had happend. I responded in shock and said didnt you stop that man?,
he responded im going to stop in about 2 months. I said to him its time to be strong and overcome that crap, and that i could see him slowly fadeing away. I told him many things he needed to hear and i hope he does some hard soul searching. So now i feel obligated to call his dad, but i cant betray my friend like that, he would never forgive me for snitching on him to his dad. His sister calls me sometimes and worries when he starts fadding into sleep when hes high, i dont know what to do. Please help me guy's!
What do i do? i hate being pushed into the middle of everything, why do people involve me like this! I really dont know what to do here.......
any help would be appreciated, peace and love!!!!!!!!!1
Roken.


sorry Roken. I attempted to simply move your post from toa's thread to one of your own. I almost lost it.




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[Hick]

I DID lose hippie and I's replies.. :(
I'll ask again. What do you consider more important, the faith put in you by a "dead junky", or the life of your best friend?

[Hick]

..:)
The junkie only has 1 best friend and he smokes it, hard but true, no way could a junkie doing 2 weeks of turkey still work, he has his stash to get him through the days, hard but true, a junkie listens to no-one but his addiction, hard but true, your simply a safe place for him to do his thing, hard but true, I will not be replying into this thread about this matter again, this thread belongs to TOA and is not to be hijacked.
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Tut, talking to myself again I found myself yet again doing, its a bad habit they say, I asked who is they, they said its a bad habit, I said ok and left.

Hippy

[slowmo77]

take it from someone who's been there, in your friends shoes i mean. I was along time meth user 11 years i did it off and on. some times for years on end without stopping. I lost alot of friends and alot of respect during that time.
it took me along time once i got off to see that everyone who i thought was trying to hurt me by making me stop was just trying to help me when i couldn't help myself. the ones who stood by and watched as i slowly killed my self they weren't my friends or atleast not what i would call a friend today. doing whats best for someone because its what they need not what they want is what makes a true friend. the ones who came to the hospital to make sure i was alive and to talk to my family. the ones who made sure my wife (girl friend at the time) was taken care of while i was gone for weeks at a time and called my mom to tell her what i was doing.. Those people are who i still call friends today. there aren't many of them but thats a real friend. i would rather see a friend get help and hate me than die thinking i was something i wasn't, a friend. see that your friend gets help regardless of what it does to your friendship that selflessness and true caring. i know its hard to see someone you care about going through things like this but if you help him through it your friendship will be stronger in the end.. good luck

i just wanna add that for me mj has helped me stay of meth as long as i have.. this is the longest i've been off of meth since i was 18. I've always smoked weed but since i stopped doing meth and started smoking full time and growing my own i never even thank about that crap anymore.. this is my thearpy. smoking, growing, and this site.

[Puffin Afatty]

opiate addicts who cant seem to quit may be helped with methadone, simply a legal alternative. It's still just the same addiction without as many legal issues.

Get your friend to a clinic, before the legal issues cause him more pain.

I only worked at a methadone clinic for a few years back in the 70's, but those several hundred patients on my caseload told me 1 thing for sure. the only sure way to kick is cold-turkey. They told me it is far better to just get sick and get it over with than to string it out for years.

That said, they all told me this while on the methadone program :hubba:

[tcooper1]

I was a user for 3 yrs...PLEASE CALL YOUR FRIENDS DAD.He(the dad) ask you to call...Why haven't you called him.The best thing that ever happen to me was my friends taking me and locking me up at a friend's house(in another town) so I could get any cuz I didnt know anyone.Yes I lost my job but I would rather get another job then have lost my life.I had to start new..everything..NEW TOWN to live,A NEW JOB,which was the greatest thing my friends did for me.Sounds like you care alot.....Please call you friends dad and have him take your friend to his dads house,Yes he will lose his job but better the job then his life...I hope you are doing ok I can tell you are very worried.I wish you all the best and talk to your friend and tell him how much it will hurt if you lose him as a bother.Just don't turn your back on him.....you and his dad Can get him to see that it is a death sentence......good luck and have a great day.

[slowmo77]

i agree totaly.. i also had to move, cut all ties with everyone i knew, change jobs.

[lyfr]

wise words friends, there was a period in my life i did all drugs possible, as much as i could get...and got very addicted. i had lots of people try to help me as none of my circle did drugs till i changed my circle. i finally realized i had to remove myslf...and went 2500 miles away to the deep south,USA. shoed up on my Dads porch after a couple months on the road and a couple years since i had talked to him. he became my best friend and ive not returned to hard crap( i dont even take aspirin). that was 21 years ago...call his dad roken, get your poor friend out of here so he will have a chance. he will love you for it later. i might add i also cut all ties with everyone. i moved back after 3 years and most people figured i had died...like a few of my friends. tell Dad to come take him to georgia man.

[snuggles]

If he is your friend you have a job to do. Roken being a friend is hard work sometimes but it's part of the job. My sister had a problem with the nose candy and she used to call me all the time for help. I wasn't supposed to tell anyone, well everytime i went to help I always left angry, the deal was I was going to take her to the emergency room to get help. This happened more times than I could count so finally I told all mt siblings and my mom...sister was pissed. Today she is clean, she is married, and she has a beautiful baby girl (the apple of my eye BTW). She is doing better than me and I have never done a hard drug in my life...well I did drink to much and destoyed my life a bit but I never did a "hard" drug. Like I said being a friend is a job and you have a responsibilty, it's hard to love someone and watch them do bad things...it takes some balls but it's the right thing to do. Good luck with it

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Take it from a Ex Drug & Alcohol counselor he needs rehab and needs it asap. He will also need to change People, Places and things in order to get his life back. ;)

[Melissa]

i married at 18 found out at 18 my husband was an herion/crack addict ,,thought i could change him ,how wrong was i !i spent the next 15 yrs supporting him through rehab ,endless cold turkeys ,,yeah dont get me wrong there was brief moments of respite where he would stay clean for a couple of months ,,get the old trust back then bam he was at it again, ,,,he allways worked ,,still does his own business ,but the drug will allways come first even when clean the thought was there it become a way of life ,,thats when i realised (18 yrs to late ) me and my children didnt need to have this drug in our life ,and left ,
the point i was getting to is
be a friend to him ,,you need to inform his family of what is going on ,,but dont forget addicts will have the best lies, excuses ect to get what they want
and untill their ready to give up they wont ,,,only he can do it
hope everything works out and your friend gets the help he so desperatley needs :peace:

[KGB30]

I lost my Cousin to H and he hang him self. I my self use to be addicted to Meth. Meth is crazly bad for you body. MJ is very good for your body.

[toke@smoke420]

their are other ways then methadone i personally recovered from a suboxone clinic which is for opiate addicts. the only way hes going to quit is when he hit dead bottom and realizes its now or never and if he values his life hell quit or go lookin for help.. i know when i was an addict i wouldnt quit for no one untill about 4 freind all odied on my in 4 months kinda opened my eyes a lil and said what i am i doing i dont need this, and i want my life back... its sad but true an an addicts only freind is his dope dealer.... also if he kept a job that long it was probbly job related addiction..

[trillions of atoms]

help your friend before its to late... you cant imagine how i feel now that is is to late to do anything about the problem.

i feel for you and your friend... good luck brother.

[godspeedsuckah]

I lost a life long friend to Meth. He was cooking some up in a trailer behind his parents house when the trailer exploded. His dad came running to see what happened and found his son.

[Aurora_Indicas_Dad]

i know so many people up here that have died from it or use it hourly everrrryday. (i've lost..i wanna say 90% of my friends to it)
up here we have small towns just infested with it.if your young..dont even bother drivin through town..the cops are so bad out there.
how it started,was the kids in the hick towns would go up to the city and buy crack,after a couple moths of the towns bein infested with crack..all of a sudden its H..well what it is,is they smoke the crack..then after they smoked all their rocks,they start snortin,shootin up, and/or smokin the H.
theres towns around here,that 5 yrs ago..you couldnt even get bud in em..now they are just infested with crack/heroin/oxicotton.its pretty sad..i just stick to my trees and try not messin with too many people around here.

[Roken]

Thank's!
Just want to say thank you to everyone who posted in here. It all really means alot to me, i thank you all!. I'm sorry if i came off selfish and all, i guess im just stress'd out from it all. I talked to his sister early this morning and i told her what was going on again, she told me not to worry and that she would take matters in her own hands. She said she wasnt going to call their dad, and that she was going to try herself to keep him clean. So i guess i am going to just wait and see if she is succesfull. I really hope she can help him right. Thanks again guys for everything, it helps alot because i cant bring this up to no one, so thank's!!!!! Peace and Love!!!!!!!!
Roken.

[thief]

i just wanted to rant abt chemicals and the ppl who make and or distribute them for $$ but it all still boils down to people. we do what ever we want to if it bennifits our way of life. we dissreguard most of what we know is right for the dream of a better way. we throw caution to the wind on the off chance we wont get hurt. then we get mad at the ppl telling us what we can or cant do. should an shouldnt. all boils down to that age old saying...you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. i have preached long and often to my kids that anything man made is no good for ya. dont take it as they are just trying to poison ya for your $$.. so far so good. good kids they bring the olman weed from time to time. tell your kids the truth always an they will believ ya when the important things come up. it wont help yer nieces an nephews but atleast you might be spared the trip to the morgue. so yea tell his dad better you than the county guy dont ya think?

[Aurora_Indicas_Dad]

good luck with everything.people get quite hard headed on that H.i dont know how many times i've had to beat some sense into my lil cousin that was doin it.after a few butt kickins,he's finally off it.but he CANNOT be around it..the second he sees or smells it,he says he gets such a big urge.this is another reason why i wanna grow some good chronic...if i could give these people (my old life long friends and cousin) some weed that actually got em baked..then i could prolly convert em to just stickin with their weed like they did b-4 getting strung out..but what happened was they stopped being able to get good green,and thats when 75% of people i know that do it,started doin it..it was either some nasty regular buds that didnt get em high..or H.now its almost to a point in a couple of these towns around here,where for younger people..if they dont do heavy drugs..they arent considered "cool"
its almost like most of the kids are doin it for show out here.heck,i even heard of senior citizens bein hooked on it out here.its kinda sad but funny at the same time thinking of an old 80 yr old hittin the glass penis or snortin that crap..but its real life..its happening everyday around here...H and crack is like a cancer...i also think the same thing about people snitchin.

the sad part is..1 outta every 100 americans are locked up (large portion of that are young people) us tax payers pay the same amount to lock them up..as we'd pay to rehabilitate em and put them through college...figure that one out. -peace and god bless

p.s.
sorry if the word penis offended anybody or is against the forum rules
*smiles at hick*

[tcbud]

I feel for you Roken, Your friend has to make the choice, but sometimes the preasure from the family can wake an addict up. My best friend, long time meth dealer/addict, faced seven years prison and served two, is now a business owner in the town i live near, happily married and her oldest graduated high school the other day. She turned her life around. Your friend can too, love him, support him, and love him some more. But, only he can do it. It is a long hard road, and he may not make it the first time, but if he wants to bad enough he will make it.
Good luck to you,
and be gentle with yourself.

[Sebstarr]

That first smile that you see, on the face of a person un-burdened by the cancer that has held them so long, will always outweigh the frown, the screams and the cries of Heroin. When he protests, when he shouts, when he angers, it will not be him, but the Heroin.

And that one sense of joy, when all that has held you down, controlled everything about you, and brought you chaos, has left you for good, will always be far greater than any sense of anger when it is first taken from you.

That's all I have to say.

[4u2sm0ke]

Take it from a Ex Drug & Alcohol counselor he needs rehab and needs it asap. He will also need to change People, Places and things in order to get his life back. ;)

YES I AGREE...must change playmates and playgrounds..Will say a prayer for your friend...and you as well my friend..these are challanging times and you will see your way threw..

[Melissa]

YES I AGREE...must change playmates and playgrounds..Will say a prayer for your friend...and you as well my friend..these are challanging times and you will see your way threw..

i agree with it ,but in my case i moved all over the uk getting him away from friends, old haunts ect ect but ever heard the quote ?birds of a feather flock together ,,well wherever we went you can be sure theres an another addict just round the corner waiting for a new pal with the weakness and means to fund an addiction ,

, roken
I'm sorry if i came off selfish and all, i guess im just stress'd out from it all.

the only selfish person is the addict ,,not you roken or anyone else who finds it stressfull its a nasty evil chemical that invades not just the addicts life but the lives of family and friends lives aswell and doesnt like letting go ,,,even once an addict is clean he will be fightig the demons for a long time ,just remember never lend him money even if hes begging hes hungry,ect and you feel the need to help ,,buy the provisions ect for him instead
once again i hope your friend gets better for himself ,family and friends :peace:

[tcooper1]

Hick I hope things are going better I pm you.....sorry that your freind is lost but he needs someone to show him that he will die if he doesnt stop.....I feel for you hick you have a hard time ahead but you seem to care and that is what he needs
Have a great day and take care of yourself.
be safe

[tcooper1]

If he is your friend you have a job to do. Roken being a friend is hard work sometimes but it's part of the job. My sister had a problem with the nose candy and she used to call me all the time for help. I wasn't supposed to tell anyone, well everytime i went to help I always left angry, the deal was I was going to take her to the emergency room to get help. This happened more times than I could count so finally I told all mt siblings and my mom...sister was pissed. Today she is clean, she is married, and she has a beautiful baby girl (the apple of my eye BTW). She is doing better than me and I have never done a hard drug in my life...well I did drink to much and destroyed my life a bit but I never did a "hard" drug. Like I said being a friend is a job and you have a responsibility, it's hard to love someone and watch them do bad things...it takes some balls but it's the right thing to do. Good luck with it

snuggles that is the best story I have ever heard...your the best for doing that for your sister....I bet she loves you so much for helping her.I know I would.I did it pretty much alone even though I had my freinds with me and I knew they cared ...I still felt alone...It is a very hard thing to go though.....He needs all the suport you can give. and every one needs someone.and your right in every thing you have said.Being a friend is a job and one you should take very serious.
have a great day and be safe.
hick I know you can help your friend......just dont lose site of yourslef in the process
have a great day Hick and try not to worry to much.eveything works out the way it was supose to.

[tcooper1]

opiate addicts who cant seem to quit may be helped with methadone, simply a legal alternative. It's still just the same addiction without as many legal issues.

Get your friend to a clinic, before the legal issues cause him more pain.

I only worked at a methadone clinic for a few years back in the 70's, but those several hundred patients on my caseload told me 1 thing for sure. the only sure way to kick is cold-turkey. They told me it is far better to just get sick and get it over with than to string it out for years.

That said, they all told me this while on the methadone program :hubba:
For me the Methadone was just another addiction...I went off the heroin and didnt look back...Help your friend get off of the junk and not by using a substitute....IMO... which what works for one doesnt always work for another. But I would have rather went though the withdraws onces instead of being sick for how ever long they keep you on the methadone and then going though the with draws again when they cut him off.Also it has been my experience that the ones on the Methadone either over use it or sell it to get junk...just in my experience.....I didnt know any one that use their Methadone like they where supose to.
imo

[tcooper1]

I DID lose hippie and I's replies.. :(
I'll ask again. What do you consider more important, the faith put in you by a "dead junky", or the life of your best friend?

A LIFE OF A BEST FRIEND....its a no brainer....