Second Try.

[Crazy Horse]

My second attempt. First one went really crappy. Killed three out of four. And the fourth is still in rough shape. I believe it was high humidity and high ph. They got real moldy and discolored.

Got my seeds the other day from Santa and I am going to try two of them now, before I try for my spring grow. Put the seeds in a cup of water for 24 hrs, and then the wet paper towel trick on top of my satelite reciever, which stays pretty warm. In about 19 hrs one seed sprouted about 1/4", and the other was just split open. I planted them.

Now my closet is at 79 F and the humidity is 30%. A fan blowing in through a 4" hole, and no exhaust, just a 2" hole at the top of my box. Soil is half top soil, half pro mix peat, whith blood and bone meal added and bat crap, in 4" pots. Ph is a little high at 7, but I have some ph downer for the next time I water. Do you guys see anything wrong? I think the humidity is too low. What is the recomended percentage?

[KADE]

Humidity should be fine... as long as you don't allow the soil to 100% dry out. If you wanna get it up a lil for some error room I'd go ~50... but when flowering.. less is best! =)

[Crazy Horse]

I read somwhere on this site to use a tray of water with a spunge in it. I might give it a try or I might just leave it and see what happens. I have two 45 watt cfl's for now, and a 200 watter for when they get bigger and to flower. I know cfl's aren't the best for flowering, but this is just a trial run.

[Crazy Horse]

My humidity is still low. It is at 28 now. I don't think my cfls produce enough heat to raise my humidity. Anything else you guys use to raise it? I will turn my fan down to the lowest setting to see if that helps. I got fungus last time, so I have got a little stage fright of lowering my air flow.

[Hick]

I occasionally run a humidifier dureing veg. They aren't expensive.
Man, you've plenty of time,...get those seeds up and sexed, take cuttings and plant 100% females in spring.
I much prefer to have my patch full of females rather than finding myself culling the male plants in August.

[Elephant Man]

I just made my own 'airy' mix, add more perlite next time. I haven't had any problems with 25 to 45% RH.

[Crazy Horse]

Thanks for the replies. I put a humidifier behind my fan and now my RH is at 40. So I am happier with that.

[Crazy Horse]

A couple more problems now. First off I have algae on top of my soil. Is this something to be worried about, or not really. Second is my PH. I use PH down to get my water down to 6.5 . But it seems after I water I check the PH (usually a day or two after watering) And it is back up to 7.5 - 8. This is making me angry. What should I do? And I am using one of those PH probes that you stick in the soil.

[Crazy Horse]

Oh and my soil stays damp for quite awhile. I would say I could go a week or more without watering (which causes the algae I assume). Pro mix peat with potting soil. Anything I should be worried about?

[KADE]

A couple more problems now. First off I have algae on top of my soil. Is this something to be worried about, or not really. Second is my PH. I use PH down to get my water down to 6.5 . But it seems after I water I check the PH (usually a day or two after watering) And it is back up to 7.5 - 8. This is making me angry. What should I do? And I am using one of those PH probes that you stick in the soil.

Your algae is probably moss.... unless u mean hydro...

[Crazy Horse]

No hydro. So moss shouldn't be a problem then?

[KADE]

No hydro. So moss shouldn't be a problem then?

I wouldn't call it a problem.. but it shouldn't be happening... your watering musta been a lil too much. On the bright side... the moss will soak up the water for itself now... so you can't overwater as easy.

[Crazy Horse]

What about my PH always going up? I would hate to shock my plants by brining my ph down drastically, but what else can I do?

[KADE]

What about my PH always going up? I would hate to shock my plants by brining my ph down drastically, but what else can I do?

When plants are new (young) ph should go up because of the root growth.. and some algae growth as well... tap water is normally alkaline also... so that puts it up... as plants get bigger and **** more water back it'll drop...
during the stretch period in flower i find ph rises again.. then after that it'll drop drastically everyday like is expected.

[Crazy Horse]

How do you post pictures? It says that my pictures are to big to upload.

[Crazy Horse]

My plants are 9 days old and the roots are already coming out the bottom of the pot. They are in 4" pots. Is this alright for awhile, or is it going to be hard on the roots? I planned on leaving them in 4" pots for 5-6 weeks.

[cyberquest]

How do you post pictures? It says that my pictures are to big to upload.

you will have to downsize the pics.

[KADE]

My plants are 9 days old and the roots are already coming out the bottom of the pot. They are in 4" pots. Is this alright for awhile, or is it going to be hard on the roots? I planned on leaving them in 4" pots for 5-6 weeks.

The roots will keep growing until it becomes root bound... or the plant dies.

[Crazy Horse]

So should I move them into bigger pots now? I was hopeing to go at least 5 weeks, because come spring I am growing 20 of these little girls (start them of for a month or so inside, then planning to move them outside). And I definately do not have the room to put them in bigger pots. I can maybe start most of them in 6" pots, and some in 4" ones

[Crazy Horse]

Trying to upload pics

[KADE]

I would repot b4 they get bound up.... I find once that happens it takes a while for them to start growing new roots.

[Crazy Horse]

Some more

[Crazy Horse]

I only can do 2 at a time. I am not very handy at a computer. The two big ones are 9 days, and the two little ones are 4 days. They are the freebie seeds I got from AMS.

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Whats going on CH. Everything is looking great. Your babies are nice and green just what ya want. Look foward to following the rest of your grow. Good luck my friend and here is some GREEN MOJO for ya.

[Crazy Horse]

Thanks TBG. Still a little worried about my PH. Right now it is just about 8. They seem pretty healthy so I guess just keep going with the flow. I give it water that has a ph between 6 and 6.5. Lower leaves are a darker green and seem a bit brittle, but the new ones coming in seem alright.

[Jamez]

Hey Crazy horse. I just read your thread, good going man. I wont really be able to help you out with ph and stuff, I dont check mine. But if there is anything I do know about I will try and steer you in the right direction. I can tell you though from one of your earlier posts that over watering is a no no. I did it on my first grow, I had two types of soil and one dried out before the other but I watered the same and the buds on the damp pots were spindly. Good luck bro and I look forward to following your grow.

[Crazy Horse]

Thanks Jamez. Plants don't seem to be growing as fast, so I might have to transplant soon. And that makes me angry.

[Crazy Horse]

Got a new computer, trying to figure out how to downsize my pictures

[Crazy Horse]

Let's try this one

[Crazy Horse]

Ok here we go. 4 plants in total. The two plants on the red trays are 16 days old. The taller one is 5" tall. Transplanted them into bigger pots (3 gal) 3 days ago and they are alot happier now. They were getting rootbound. Gave the bigger one nutes 5 days ago, and the smaller one nutes yesterday. And that is why the bigger one has about 1.5" on the smaller one.

the other two plants on thr little white trays are 11 days old. They are looking pretty good. Going to move them into 3 gal pots in a couple of days. No nutes yet, but next time I water them they are going to get blasted. The older plants reacted well to the nutes, so I am going to start the little ones a little earlier with the nutes.

Temps range from 65 at night, to 75-82 during the day. Lights were 24/0, but now I am at 20/4. I run the humidifier every once and awhile, and it seems to keep the leaves a little softer. RH is usually around 28, and 40 with the humidifier on. PH is out of wack at a cozy 8. I am going to lower my water ph even more, to about 5.5, to see if it helps. But the plants still sem pretty healthy though. Maybe not growing as fast as they should with the ph so high? They are really starting to stink. Need to come up something to get rid of the odor. Hopefully this isn't really confusing to everyone. CH

[Crazy Horse]

Here are my nutes. I don't know if they are any good, but buddy at the grow shop recomended them. They are chemical nutes. I wanted organic, but I can't find any around here.

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Whats going on CH. Your babies are looking great. I just sent you a PM with a link to a home made air filter. ;)

[Crazy Horse]

Transplanting the little ones into bigger pots tonight. I will try to be a little more gentle with them this time. The first two I got a little randy with, but it didn't seem to phase them much.

[Crazy Horse]

A couple more pics. They seem to be growing pretty fast. Tallest one is 7". I think the pots are 2 gallons, and the roots are alredy coming out the bottom. What is with these damn roots growing so fast. Pretty soon I am going to have to move them into bigger pots. Again!

[Crazy Horse]

More pics. They are a couple of days older than the last photos. I am still trying to figure out my new computer.

[Crazy Horse]

Hard to believe that the bigger plants are only 6 days older than the smaller ones. The two big ones are showing alt nodes. Going to wait till the little ones show alt nodes, then I am going to start my flowering. The big ones are 23 days old and the little ones are 18 days.

[Crazy Horse]

My DIY filter. Works ok, but can still smell my little girls. Going to try a different filter for next grow that TBG informed me about.

[the_riz]

when you say alternating nodes, are you reffering to branches with branches on? or am i missing something

[Crazy Horse]

My alt nodes are coming off of my branches, not my main stem. My camera is not great, so I can not get a good close up of them. So hopefully this makes sense.

[the_riz]

yeah so you have one branch that splits into 2, cool, how big are you hoping these will turn out? say in feet

[Crazy Horse]

Heres a picture. A little blurry, but you can see what I am talking about. You can see the main stem in the background. And the alt nodes are on one of the secondary branches that come off the main stem. Even I am getting confused by this lol.:D

[the_riz]

yeah yeah, im with you, so how high are you expecting them to turn out when the flowering is up...

im considering flowering ours, they are about the same height, roughly a month old, with alternating nodes and are juist a bit bigger than your big'uns so id be interested in getting your opinion on final size and expected yeild?

[Crazy Horse]

I am still really new at this, so once my two little guys show alt nodes, in about a week or two, I will start my flowering. So I assume they will be about 10 to 12" before I start, and I guess they will double in height, so around 2'. My space is limited for growth so I have to keep the little girls small.

[Crazy Horse]

The seeds are freebies from an Amsterdam seed bank, so I have no idea what they are, and what to expect for a yeild.

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

CH they look like alternating nodes to me my friend. She is ready for flower. :aok:

[cyberquest]

yep same with one of mine, appeared on a secondary branch, i almost didnt see it cause i am always looking on the main branch for it to happen. i had 5 started all at the same time and just the one had the alternationg node but i went ahead and sent them all into flower yesterday.

[the_riz]

nice, nice, its a good feeling when you see those second branches developing..

did you find anything to mask the odor?

[Crazy Horse]

Just my little carbon filter I have posted in post #38. It works, but still have some odor. It seems like it cuts the smell in half. So, better than nothing.

[Crazy Horse]

Thanks TBG. Seems like my two little ones are taking forever to mature now that my bigguns have matured. The waiting game begins.

[Crazy Horse]

Wahoo! One of my plants lifted their skirt and revealed a little beaver. That a girl, now just invite three of your virgin friends.:D . The little white hairs are very tiny, so no pics yet.

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Congrats on the female CH. Now let's get some more of those ladies. ;)

[Crazy Horse]

Getting closer to flower. The two big ones are 30 days. One is 14", and the other is 12". The biggest one is a female, not sure bout the other ones. The two small ones are 25 days. They are about 7". They seem a little short, but they are really bushy. They have been really close to the light, an inch or two away. Going to flower in a week.

[Crazy Horse]

Here is my little cabinet, my 200 watt cfl, and my four little girls huddled in my box. They have out grown their box, so time to move them to my flowering station. Getting my 400 watt hps today. Going to install it, and have already have my ventilation set up in my flowering room. So hopefully they will like their new home.

[the_riz]

nice one man glad to see you have female company.. cant flower ours yet but needless to say there pretty huge and we cant wait!.. hope there girls too.

[Crazy Horse]

Thanks Riz. It seems like forever waiting for the two little ones to get tall enough to flower. They have alt nodes, but I am going to wait till they get 12". Come on ladies!

[Crazy Horse]

Note to self! When moving plants from a nice cool cfl, to a hot 400 watt hps, do it gradually. What I mean is don't set them close right off the bat! The tallest one was 13" away from the light, shortest was 19 away. My plants got burnt from head to toe. Pretty bad too. Right when I put them into flowering. Can you say STRESS on my potential girls. Should I worry about the burnt leaves? Should I trim them? This is why this is my trial run. I am such an IDIOT! Lol. Oh well, now I know.

[Crazy Horse]

Oh and SB will appreciate what I paid for my HID light, 25 bucks! He said he wanted $23, but I felt a little guilty and gave him $25. BOOHYAAH. It is old as the hills, but it works, and has a brand new bulb in it.

[BSki8950]

hey crazy horse where did u get the 200 watt CFL ??? and was it a cool white ? or somethin else ... i myself use all cfl's

[Crazy Horse]

I had to search around quite a bit but I found one at a grow shop. I looked the light up on the internet and found a store close to my town that carried it. It is a full spectrum, but definately on the white side (blue). I am very impressed with it. I kept my plants only a couple of inches away from my light with no problems. Plants stayed compact and really bushy.

[Elephant Man]

Note to self! When moving plants from a nice cool cfl, to a hot 400 watt hps, do it gradually. What I mean is don't set them close right off the bat! The tallest one was 13" away from the light, shortest was 19 away. My plants got burnt from head to toe. Pretty bad too. Right when I put them into flowering. Can you say STRESS on my potential girls. Should I worry about the burnt leaves? Should I trim them? This is why this is my trial run. I am such an IDIOT! Lol. Oh well, now I know.

No worries bro, stress can lead to higher male ratios...but they look to be past that stage. If the leaves are like 75% burnt, then you can go ahead and clip them off but IMO, leave the rest of them, she will use every leaf she has left in flower. Exactly right on transition to flower, first day in I lift my light all the way up and slowly drop it couple of inches a day. Don't forget to blend in your flower nutes slowly, and stay on the veg nutes for a couple more weeks (or until stretch slows).

Something like 75% veg and 25% bloom first week
50/50 the next
and like 25% veg and 75% flower for 3rd week
can drop the veg nutes completely when stretch is over.
Your ferts should say the same...

Looking good mang!

[Crazy Horse]

Nice work EM! Mostly just the tips on some of them curled up and got crusty, just got a little worried there. I was just thinking tonight when I got home, when I should add my blooming ferts and you beat me to it. Thanks for the input. And by the way my plants like the HPS (even though they got off to a rough start). They stand up nice and perky, and getting really tall and bushy.

[Zarnon]

EM, good advice on keeping the veg nutes through stretch. It really helps give the plant the nitrogen for the growth spurt.

[Crazy Horse]

Now that they are flowering, do I need to kick up the nutes? I have been giving them nutes every second watering, about 3/4 strength. Should I nute every time I water now with full strength, gradually adding my bloom ferts? My nutes are pretty weak, but chemical. My nutes are a three part system

1. (NPK) 1-2-5
2. 2-0-0
3. 1-4-5

1 and 2 go together for growth, and 2 and 3 go together for bloom. And I have some Fox Farm Big Bloom I want to add in occasionally, like a little treat.

I have been getting brown spots on them as well. Also the tips and edges are shriveling up to a crisp. At first the light was pretty close, but I have the light 3' away now, and still noticing burnt tips. Oh and also some of the bottom leaves are turning yellowish. My poor girls, I am a horrible dad! All this started happening since I put them under my HPS. I also was misting them since I moved them. Crapy camera, so no good pics. Any advice?

[Crazy Horse]

Some fuzzy pics of my sick plants. Burnt tips, yollowish, and brown spots to top it off.

[Elephant Man]

Looks like nute burn...and maybe heat stress...probably new grower's most common problems. No worries man...we all learn from it.

[Crazy Horse]

I thought nute burn too, but I haven't changed my nute intake, and all of this happened within 5 days under my HPS. So I thought it has to be something else. Now I see when people say vegging is the easy part. These plants don't want to make me angry! They won't like me when I am angry!

[Crazy Horse]

Oh and I germinated 8 more seeds and put them in pots today. 4 Early Misty's, 1 Purple Power and 3 unknown strain. I think I might have only one female out of my 4 that are in flower now, and that won't do.

[Stoney Bud]

I think it looks like a nute burn as well. On your next grow, you may want to thing about larger pots. The ones you're using are pretty small for what your plants will be after flowering.

What brand name are your nutes? Are they hydro nutes or dirt nutes?

[Crazy Horse]

I was going to wait till they were 2' tall, than transplant to there final home. I have 5 gallon pails they are going into. My nutes are NUTRAGREEN hydro ferts.

[Crazy Horse]

I guess I will flush them this weekend, with 20 liters of water each (they are in 2 gal pots) and then move them into my 5 gal pails. Is this a good idea?

[Stoney Bud]

I was going to wait till they were 2' tall, than transplant to there final home. I have 5 gallon pails they are going into. My nutes are NUTRAGREEN hydro ferts.The plants will love you for their new home. Hydro nutes are almost always too strong for a 1 to 1 dirt grow. In dirt, I use half strength hydro nutes. That will make salts buildup less likely or at least less severe.

I guess I will flush them this weekend, with 20 liters of water each (they are in 2 gal pots) and then move them into my 5 gal pails. Is this a good idea?I would let them dry out fairly well before transplanting. The idea is to turn them upside down gently and have the entire contents ease out on your hand. Then gently place the entire thing into it's new home and lightly firm the soil around it.

Easy, lightly, gently, softly.......key words in transplanting.

[Crazy Horse]

Yeah the last time I transplanted them I got a little randy. I will be a little more gentle this time. And my PH runs a little high as well. Around 7.5. I give them water that has a PH of 5.5, but the run off still says 7.5. Should I lower my water ph more?

[Crazy Horse]

Poor ladies!

[Stoney Bud]

Yikes! Have you backed down on your nute strength?

[Crazy Horse]

Yikes! Have you backed down on your nute strength?

Coming from you SB, I must have done something really bad :eek: . I will get these little ladies straightened out. Flushed three of them yesterday, and the fourth one today. Going to wait till my female (the one that has shown so far) dries out a bit, and mover her to a bigger pot. The other three I am going to wait till they show there sex before moving them to new pots (unless they are males). So hopefully in the next week or so they will improve. But I am glad in a way this is happening so I know what not to do next time, and fix the problem before it gets to this point.:) On a lighter note, went fishing today and caught a 10 lb pike. Nothing to brag about, but it felt pretty good pulling her out of the ice!

[Crazy Horse]

Oh and another thing. Out of the 8 seeds germ, 8 sprouted out of the dirt today. These seeds sure beat bag seeds! For the price of them, it is worth the high rate of germination! Don't worry, I am not going to post anymore about them or this thread will go on forever lol.

[Stoney Bud]

I know what not to do next time, and fix the problem before it gets to this point.That's the way man!!!

Nice fish! I've never eaten Pike. What's it like?

[Crazy Horse]

Normally pike aren't that good imo. But coming out of a frozen lake they taste alot better. We cooked it in salt water, then dipped it in hot butter, yummy. Didn't taste fishy at all.

[Stoney Bud]

Didn't taste fishy at all.:D I thought fish was supposed to taste like fish!;) If it tasted like brussel sprouts, what fun would that be? Hahahahahaa

[KADE]

:D I thought fish was supposed to taste like fish!;) If it tasted like brussel sprouts, what fun would that be? Hahahahahaa

hehe... well, me being in canada... and soo close to all the big, good fishing... I'll tell u... fresh... rite off the boat when she sails in... is 1000% different then any fish bought in a store... for someone to ever say they don't like fish... is **... fresh fish.. has no "normal" fish taste, at all.

[Crazy Horse]

hehe... well, me being in canada... and soo close to all the big, good fishing... I'll tell u... fresh... rite off the boat when she sails in... is 1000% different then any fish bought in a store... for someone to ever say they don't like fish... is **... fresh fish.. has no "normal" fish taste, at all.

Amen and preach on brother :D

[Stoney Bud]

I hear ya man! I live in a fishing community as well. I get all the sushi I want right off the day boats. I don't use the commercial boats cause they stay out too long. The fish is flash frozen.

The chartered day boats always have fish to sell at really inexpencive prices. Fresh fish has no "fish" odor to the meat either, as you know. If it smells like "fish", it's already too old for sushi! It can be grilled fine tho'.

Daggonit, I'm sorry Crazy Horse, I didn't mean to slap this in the middle of your thread.

If you want, I can move it over to the coffee table.

[Crazy Horse]

No I don't mind. I wish I could grow MJ like I can fish! Oh well. Seems like my plants are doing a little better now. But still only the one showing her sex after 11 days of 12/12. Hopefully they will show soon!

[Crazy Horse]

My plants are still looking pretty good, but I do see some of the brown dots progressing. What would be causing that?

[Crazy Horse]

Three weeks today since I started to flower. I have the one healthy female, and one beat up female. The healthy female is coming along pretty good, with little buds showing up everywhere on her. The other one, my street walker, the one that looks like she got pimp slapped, has progressed pretty slow. She is at the stage now, where the big girl started the 12/12 (just starting to get a few more pistils). So if she doesn't pick up the slack and work for her money, she will mysteriously go missing, if you know what I mean ;) .