Lil Lowryder

[THCskunk]

Lowryder # 2

[the_riz]

looks normal to me, arch in what way? the leaves??

[THCskunk]

yes the leaves.

[the_riz]

looks healthy to me :)

[Brouli]

THC is that lowryder if yes can you keep us posted ,,pictures to this post pleas couse i will order low seed next week and i would like to know how everything is going on with this short fellas

[Brouli]

and about the leafs i saw some pictures before and they look like that they really stay small (leafs i mean)

[THCskunk]

ill make sure to keep a journal of this lil potent monter. This is a Lowryder #2. I just made in time before they ran out. If you find anymore, please notify. Here are some pics of what They look like in 56 days.


i just found this site now! YOUR GONNA TRIP!
http://www.hanf.ws/onlineshop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=30

[hillbilly farmer]

looks good to me keep it up man

[Brouli]

i love those plant even do they dont give you as much yeild i would grow them just becouse of look !!!

but i going to grow my hydro technique actualy bouth couse im going to order lowryder and lowryder 2

[Brouli]

where did you get your seeds from ??????

[THCskunk]

i love those plant even do they dont give you as much yeild i would grow them just becouse of look !!!

but i going to grow my hydro technique actualy bouth couse im going to order lowryder and lowryder 2

They yeild about 27-42 grams per plant, on average. The ones I grow produce 55-60 grams. make sure you grow them in 8" pots, they will grow 12-16" . 4" pot will yeild the average and grow to about 5-6" tall.

[THCskunk]

where did you get your seeds from ??????

http://www.allsalvia.co.uk/lowryder2.htm

I think this site has them. better grab'em while their there.
http://www.skunkmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=255

this one has them in stock.
http://www.headsite.com/shop/cannabis_seeds_lowryder__joint_doctor_high_bred_se eds_-c-21_171.html?osCsid=400c3ecc65db9f568d7b2d3c8dc606e 2

[Brouli]

d you have more pics of them man ??
i think i will order main from DR.chronic

[Brouli]

man that think look awesome but i never heard about this seed bank are the sendd seed to USA ??

[THCskunk]

IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THE SCROLL TO SWITCH TO us DOLLARS

[Brouli]

yes but language is english not amreican no USA flag on the top they ar expensive but f they ship to us ROCK ON
Blueberry x Lowryder is what im interested in :))

[stunzeed]

Is there any way to clone a Lowryder plant? Do you have to just buy new seeds everytime? Thats spendy......


Stunzeed..

[Brouli]

if you know right way you can clone a seed :):):):):):):):):)

[the_riz]

Is there any way to clone a Lowryder plant? Do you have to just buy new seeds everytime? Thats spendy......


Stunzeed..

If you grow your lowrider to a nice veg size, select a nice looking branch and using a sharp clean scalpal cut it off where it meets the main stem.

then make 3 slices at a slant about 2 to 3 mm deep into the stem of the branch you cut off on either side, and place in a cup of water under 12/12 lighting thus flowering the plant.

once you have determined it IS a female, you then keep the original plant alive in veg stage (18/6, or 247 lighting) and take branches from it, growing them seperately... your guarenteed any cutting you use and grow will also turn out female.

hope this helps
riz

[Brouli]

yaa i thought that with lowryder you use diefferent technique do you got a link with pictures ??

[Hemp-o Kitty]

I think I fell in love with this plant.... :heart: So cute!!! I'm going to follow your grow all the way.. Well done and keep it up!!

[THCskunk]

(THIS IS WHERE I COME IN):D The Lowryder, well hate to bust your bubble but I've tried it and it does not work. The Lowryder has no veg stage, from seeding its automatically starts flowering, skipping the vegitation stage. Cloning it would not be the option. Thats why you have to save at least one of your baddest and most potent male around. You can test your male by snipping one of the leaves off and smoking it. Or if you buy seeds originally from the Joint Doctor, he will give natural seeds( not feminized) there for having the chance of pollenating your lil LRYDRs. If you save the pollen off of another plant and breed them with that, chances of your seeds bieng low ryders are very high. more than half will have the genetics of the lowryder. So just keep the machos!

[Brouli]

http://www.onlinepot.org/OGStrainGuide/Strainguide/Joint_Doctors/Lowryder/1129/index.html#g1129


they got really got info- expirience

[THCskunk]

Read this to educate yourselves.
Lowryder #2 is here!!

The long-awaited successor to the Joint Doctor’s flagship strain is finally here. Lowryder #2 is the newest product of the breeder’s quest to improve the strength, yield and flavour of his original variety while maintaining the unusual characteristics that made it so popular.
Lowryder #2 has been infused with superior Santa Maria genetics, a variety known for copious resin production, exotic taste and soaring highs, it is an indica / sativa hybrid originally from Brazil. The cross was subsequently selectively inbred for three generations.
The result is an auto-flowering dwarf that yields a wonderfully strong, head-turning smoke with intoxicating taste. The strength and flavor is backed by copious resin production and much-improved yield and stability. Buds are larger, tighter and more aromatic than the original Lowryder.
As with Original Lowryder, no separate room or light cycle is needed to flower Lowryder #2. Outdoors, Lowryder #2 will mature quicker than any non-auto-flowering variety.

[THCskunk]

I TRY TO LEARN AND TEACH. I AM ALWAYS OPEN MINDED FOR IDEAS AND OPINIONS ON HOW TO GROW GOOD QUALITY POT. WHERE I COME FROM THE BEST POT IS GROWN IN OUR BACK YARDS FOR "MEDICAL PURPOSES".:bongin:

[THCskunk]

I totally agree on that one. I am currently in the making of colombian gold,alcapulco gold, Panama red, and white widow combined with the genetics of Lowryder #2.

[THCskunk]

these lil suckers just won't grow, they grow leaves but in height they go no where. cool man!

[THE BROTHER'S GRUNT]

Whats going on THC. Your babies are looking great. We wanna get some Lowryder down the road and do a seed run. Then take the seeds and toss them all outside. Can you picture a small field full of little budding Lowryder's? Down the road it will get done. Anyway everything is looking great and look foward to those ladies frosty buds. GREEN MOJO your way my friend.

[DLtoker]

The whole concept is so bad ***. definitely a field of lowryder crossed with C99 for me this summer as soon as my current crop is done...

[THCskunk]

Next day from recent pics....

[THCskunk]

oraganic soil
lights? well... right now using 1800 lumins bulbs. daylight simulants. Total of lumens with two 3600. Grow space is about 1'x2'.
Using guano mixed in soil.
will be using blood meal later on.

check this out for mor info.............
http://www.dope-seeds.com/lowryder_grow_guide.htm

[THCskunk]

haha nevermind i found them ... how long to ship and how long before they just budded up like that ???
my buddy brouli says they take off after 2 weeks. well its almost two weeks and they just started to bud like this three days ago! They're growing fast now. Every so hour they look different.

[samiam03]

THC... do they fit in that 1' x 2ft area well or is it snug? I'm planning on growing lowryder 2 but in a small stealthy grow box and those are the demensions I'm thinking about using. Also, how strong is thier smell. Is it really noticable or do you think i could cover it relatively easy? How are you lighting them, do you leave the light on 24/7 or do you do it 18/6 or 12/12

[Brouli]

if you will grow them in soil yes it will fit
just a question man did you even read a little bit about lowryder ??
it autoflovering plant you can use one 10 watt regular bulb for 10 hours a day and it will flower
just your yeild would = -- dry leafs :) smell is not that big from what iv read but like i said before on this post i didnt grow lowryder yetttttt :)


PEOPLE DONT FORGET TO ADD THE SIZE OF POT TO YOU GROW BOXES

[THCskunk]

those questions are the reason lowryder was genetically made for. Lowryder needs very "LIL" space. compact is their middle name. the smell is well to control. smells earthy, but spicy, yet not strong enough to smell from a 3' radius. small but violent. gives you a wicked high (lowryder #2 that is).

[THCskunk]

i germinated 2 and gave two more to a professional grower that dedicates his life on pot. he is majoring in chemistry. He is going to cross these lil babies with Northern Lights, Skunk #1, Mauwee Wauwee, Panama Red, and Afghani. resulting in some killer ****! there for I only have 6 more to go. of course I will be pollenating one of this shorties with my afghan male. not to mention the ones my buddy is going to create!

[Brouli]

hahah there you go

[samiam03]

THC do you think they'll stillauto flower if you cross them with another strain. If their offspring stayed short and atuo flowered that would be wicked.

[samiam03]

answering your question before, yes I did read about lowryder, a lot acuatlly. But everyone does it differently. I just wanted to know how he was lighting it. Ive read you can just leave the light on all day to flower it. I wanted to know if he was sticking to 18/6 ( a veg cycle lighting) or 12/12 ( a flowering cycle lighting). And yes I know they autoflower, so theres no veg cycle,which also means you cant clone it. They say the lighting is the main factor that effects your yeild from this plant so I wanna find the best way.

[THCskunk]

The best way right now is the Joint Doctor's way. He created them, so he knows them inside and out. follow his grow guide to yield the best buds.

[THCskunk]

I recommend this to all crop growers.
http://www.nehydro.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_2

[Hick]

damn skunk!..you own stock in the ST co.?..;)
hee hee...I guesse "if it works" for you,
but I'll reiterate.."WHAT" is it?...you're putting on/in your plants?..
"contains .09% B1 and .048% napthyl acetic acid
that devuldges less than 1% of the ingredients.
"Activator, transplanter, revivor, grower, perfector"..."bio-usables" "winner maker".."crop maker"..."EXTRA life maker"..
all very colorful and promising

[THCskunk]

TWO WORDS; it works.

some of you may have remembered my last group of pics from my afghanis and wondered how in the hell did I get my plants looking like this. they were four weeks old when I took these pics, you can imagine how they look now. Let me tell ya! thier monsters!

[THCskunk]

.."WHAT" is it?...you're putting on/in your plants?..

it goes in your water solution. It is not a fertilizer,pesticide, or polluter. To ADD TO FERTILIZING for growing.

EXTREME CONCENTRATION! DROP A CUP, OR DROP A GALLON. REGULATIONS AND DIRECTIONS FOUND ON PURCHASED BACKBOARD OR BOTTLE.

[Brouli]

i defenetli will try HIS method whicj is regular :-)

"I didn't know what to expect coming into this grow, I was sceptical about an auto flowering midget, but I have to say that I'm impressed now. I got a pack of Joint Doctors Lowryder and germinated three of them. All three sprouted within three days, and were placed into starter plugs and put under a humidity dome with 70 watts of compact flouro over them.

Within a week they were rooted in the plugs and showed there first set of true leaves. After that, they were placed into net cups and into a 10-gallon hydro bubbler and High Grades 3-part GH nute recipe under a 150 watt HPS. Growth was fast and immediate! Within the first two weeks in the bubbler I could tell the sex, only one female but that ok for me.

That one female grew up to over 1 1/2 feet by the time it was starting to show buds. By the end it had massive buds and was at just about 2 1/2 feet! I changed the hydro water twice and flushed it with plain water for the last week of growth. Easiest grow I've ever had, very quickly, no problems at all. Dried weight of trimmed bud was 2.3 ounces from that one plant! The taste is very unique; I've never tried anything like it before. All my friends loved it and can't wait to I grow it again.

10 gallon DWC bubbler with 2 12 inch airstones, net cups and hydroton.
3 part GH nutes following High Grades nute formula, with the Protek and Epson salt
70 watts of C.F. for seedling, 150 watt HPS for rest.
Kept the light cycle at 18 hours the whole time."

[Brouli]

http://www.marijuanapassion.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8433

but there is no info on it no more ? o sh .. i dont know what happen

any way how son do you start adding superthrive
and how much ??

[THCskunk]

next day.......

[Brouli]

THC i got some good news for you for light :)


i was in homedepot and they start carry (in my homedepot at least)
fluorex flood light if you read my posts on cyberquest thread CFL's 101
i see what im talkin about
65 watt bulb runing 6175lumes
42 watt over 4100 lumes
85 watt over 8456 lumes
100 watt over :) 10100 lumes in thinking of runing 2 X 100 for flowering of lowryder

[Brouli]

but the web site (off those lights not homedepot) is full of S.... couse they said that 65 watt over 8000 lumes
check it http://www.yinyanghome.com/Products/LOA/9266c.html

[THCskunk]

http://www.headsite.com/shop/cannabis_seeds_lowryder__joint_doctor_high_bred_se eds_-c-21_171.html?osCsid=400c3ecc65db9f568d7b2d3c8dc606e 2

[Brouli]

sam03 also straight of
http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?category=Joint+Doctor+seeds

[samiam03]

DLtoker- if you are looking for a relatively small plant like the lowryder strains but dont want something that auto flowers, Dr. Chronic has a strian called MP5k. I emailed him about it and he told me that on average it gross between 2-4 feet but can be made to grow smaller.

http://www.drchronic.com/products.asp?recnumber=745.

I'm considering trying those out next.

[THCskunk]

They are taking off now!

[Brouli]

OK I THINK THAT EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN GROWING LOWRYDER SHOULD READ THAT IS MADE BY MAKER OF LOWRYDER

OFFICIAL LOWRYDER GROW GUIDE (10/04) - written by the Joint doctor

Preferred growing methods

Indoors, Lowryder performs very well in soil mix (pots or beds) or in soil-less systems, where it can be cultivated from seed to bud in two months – 18 hours of light per day is recommended all the way through. Switching light cycles down to 12 hours may diminish yields and shorten the already-short life cycle slightly. Because Lowryder’s life cycle is so brief, cloning becomes impracticable, so only plants from seed are grown. By default, Lowryder is a great choice for sea-of-green.

Because flowering plants and seedlings can be maintained in the same room, Lowryder presents new possibilities for the small to medium home grower, including “staggering” your indoor harvest. A true continuous harvest system may be achieved by planting new plants periodically to replace the ones that have been harvested. This ensures that a grow
room is always full and always producing fresh bud, and one never has too much work at once. Click here to learn more about the Joint Doctor’s “1-2-3” continuous harvest method.

For best results, place jiffy pellet or plant directly into 1-2 gal.pots. Alternatively, start in 4-inch peat pots, then place
rootbound females into a plant bed after sexing (at approx. 17-20 days) – this may result in smaller plants than the first method. Grown under a 12 to 24 hour/daylight cycle from start to finish. I recommend 18 hours per day; this can be decreased to 16 after the first month with no loss of yield.


Outdoors: sow directly into soil after soaking, in 2 gal. pots or plant beds. New stands of Lowryder can be planted up until late summer, to ensure a continuous harvest outdoors. Avoid transplanting if you can, but do so if plants become rootbound. Rogue (remove) males at three weeks.


Growth Factors

Lowryder is extremely versatile in that it can be cultivated in virtually any climate or grow environment. In fact, it has pushed the envelope of growing, enabling early harvests in unlikely places like Finland, the North West Territories, and other northern, short-season, or high altitude areas. It is also well-adapted to backyard gardens, windowsills and patios where plants can be easily concealed because of their tiny size.

Nothing will mature earlier or faster than Lowryder! When other varieties have barely begun flowering, Lowryder outdoor growers are kicking up their feet and already enjoying their fresh harvests.

Characteristics

Lowryder virtually does away with the vegetative growth stage: it passes almost immediately from the seedling stage to the flowering period. To our knowledge, Lowryder has the shortest known life cycle and height in the cannabis species.
Male plants may be identified as such after approx. 17-20 days, while females show themselves a couple days later. Plants will even flower under a continuous light regime.

Lowryder females usually grow no taller than 16-20 inches. 12-16 inches is typical. Light intensity, pot size, and proper pH all play an important role in determining the size of plants at maturity – the better the conditions, the bigger the yield. Plants produce one main cola, although when they receive adequate light, lower nodes branch out profusely.

Yield and height are dependent on obvious growth factors. For example, plants kept in small peat cups on a windowsill may yield as little as 1 g. and grow no taller than 6 inches, with no branching whatsoever; while a plant in a 4-gallon container under high-intensity lighting and good cultivation methods, can turn into a profusely branched, two-foot wide 45-gram bud monster.


Fertilizer: During the first two weeks of growth, Lowryder should be weekly light feedings of a “grow” type nutrient solution, with micronutrients. When plants pass into full flower, they should be started on a “bloom” regime for weeks 4 through 6. Mycorise-type biological amendments (root stimulators) seem to increase growth significantly.

Average flowering time
Indoors: 40-45 days (after a 15-20 day seedling stage)
Outdoors: ripens approx. 60 days after seed is sown.
Note: 100% of plants display the auto-flowering genotype.

AVERAGE HEIGHT
12 inches. Minimum: 5 inches, maximum 16 inches (very light-dependent, with slight phenotype variations).

YIELD
Depending on light and other factors, Lowryder yields up to 45 g – one report even claims 96 g for one exceptional plant under hydroponics. Extremely light-dependent in terms of yield. Without adequate conditions, plants may stay extremely small, almost comically so – but still produce a decent smoke.

Buds are compactand close-quartered, slightly irregular and variable, with high bud/leaf ratio. Thick pistils, with orange coloration, and medium-sized, individual calyxes. Tends to be top-heavy indoors. Typically, budding sites start very close to the ground.

High is uplifting, surprisingly strong. Well-rounded. Best suited for outdoor activities. Smoke is smooth with pleasant, earthy undertones. Smell is not overpowering. Unique flavor, with echoes of NL and William’s Wonder in the bouquet.

JD on nutes:

I get alot of requests for more info on nutrient needs for Lowryder. This is a hard question to answer as it depends how much money you want to shell out for nutrient products.

I get Advanced Nutrient products (many say the best) at a discount and I have adapted their formula for my own use. Advanced Nutrients provides a complete program for an 8-week grow and has a guide for different growing mediums.

For the first two weeks, I use what they recommend for seedlings.

Then I use the Micro 2+ Light Feeding program for the rest of their life cycle. I usually skip week 3 and 5 to bring it down to a 6 week program which I begin as soon as LRs are sexed.

I know it sounds complicated. Obviously all this is not needed.

As a rule of thumb, treat Lowryders like seedlings for the first 2-3 weeks, then switch them onto a light bloom program. So, you feed them a seedling/transplanting formula the first 2 weeks, then switch to a bloom fertilizer with something like a 5-10-5 or 1-2-1 ratio of N-P-K.

Give them a feeding of bloom fertilizer every week on weeks 3,4,5,6. Just pH-balanced water on week 7. Flushing solution on week 8.

...or for organic freaks, just plant into organic soil mix with bat guano mixed in... and put away the calculator... .

[THCskunk]

Here it is........
http://www.420source.com/product/c/28

[THCskunk]

I was pulling out of my house and drove maybe 1 block down only to find to my surprise a "Grand Opening!" sign on the left hand corner.
It said "Hydro Hobby" on the front of the building. Let me tell ya, its growers heaven! I picked up a bottle of Flora Nova and some Pyrethrum. This is a good day.:ccc:

[Brouli]

hey a see you are here finaly i hope you dont mind me puting a lot of posts to you tread ??

and how are you riders

[Brouli]

dammm you lucky i got the clousest one like 40 minuts away i didnt know you drow hydro

[THCskunk]

Yeah I use some hydro products. I got a question. How early can you tell sexes? the female will sprout lil balls just like the male at first and then show white hairs right?

[Brouli]

with lowryder ther is a very simle way man
MALE WILL MATURE BETWEEN 17-20 DAYS
FEMALE BETWEEN 19-22

what i fond on lowryder and trust me a lot i mea a lot of stuff people say male is ready first .

but i will see when i do my own project but thats a theory

soory not a teory that is what dr.joint said

[BSki8950]

which to u guys think would be the better smoke ??? the lowryder-bluberry ot the lowryder # 2 ????

[Brouli]

hmm personaly i never smoke but when i will i go for hybrid no mixes i stick with Lil Ryder #2

[Brouli]

THC how are is you plant doing ??

[BSki8950]

thanks brouli

[THCskunk]

I am currently in the process of germinating 3 more lil lowryders because the two that I had going........well, these sucks! THEY WERE BOTH MALES!:mad: But its all good, they were only two weeks old. The books say that identifying sexes comes in 17-20 days. Well mine came in alot sooner, 14 days to be exact. Germinating 3 more will hopefully give me a chance, I hope?

[THCskunk]

Yes the pic above is the male. I pulled out the other and threw it in the trash (in an irresponsible anger kinda way:D ) and almost tossing the other one in the trash when I thought it out; 75 percent of seeds are females and the rest are males. What if I get three females this time and have no males to pollenate one of them with? So I kept the lil ****! Lucky him! Anyway, 'What a bumper man!"

[Brouli]

soory for you but you will see the next one atleast 2 will be a female


how are you colectin pollen ??
can you tell me step by step im doing research but nothing interestion i got one link but im curies how are doing it

[THCskunk]

My boss taught me a very easy way to collect it. Putting a plastic bag over the plant and flip it upside down. Then shaking the plant while inside the bag and carefully folding the bag up and placing it in a paper bag and staple it shut for storage. When ready to pollenate, just shake the bag over the females pre-flowers and thats it.

[Brouli]

when do you do that at what time in lowryder case ??

[Brouli]

how do store pollen in fridge

[THCskunk]

It can be stored in the fridge for up to two months and still be potent.
Anyway right now I am researching on how to feminize seeds for my self, without causing hermies. It is ver interesting and very simple. You will need this product though.......
http://www.megagro.com/gibberellic-acid.htm?source=gibberellicacid&gclid=CMz03rrVp4oCFQMkggodxxqIvA

[Brouli]

i now the way to make you seeds be feminized i will tel you tomorow
its not 100% but run around 90%

[laylow6988]

Sounds like you are going to get a house full of baby lowriders lol. Hope the pollen stays good and you get seeds. I am praying for a male right now.

[Brouli]

lay are you growin a lowryder now if yes tell us about it man some pic will be cool

[Brouli]

THC 8" pot is how much one gallon ?? how many quarts anybody can help me pleas ??

[laylow6988]

THC 8" pot is how much one gallon ?? how many quarts anybody can help me pleas ??

4 quarts = 1 gallon I do believe:cop:

[Brouli]

ok thanks so do you grow lowryder ??

[laylow6988]

lay are you growin a lowryder now if yes tell us about it man some pic will be cool

Oh sorry... didn't mean to make it sound like I was growin some low... although I really would like to. For me it's just getting a seed... I am not connected at all. But if I liked the buzz I would throw it in my garden... well it would be my garden. If you would like a sea of green this would be the plant for you. You can spread out the work and plant one every few days. It would be perfect... if I had a few beans:(

[THCskunk]

1 gallon is equivelant to 4 quarts as 3.785 liters bieng equal to 6.66 pints. all numbers equal to 1gal.

[samiam03]

wow males, that sucks, but at least you caught it early and it had only been two weeks. Ive got my fingers crossed for you, *three females*

[THCskunk]

Sorry Guys, Been A Lil Busy Lately. You Want To See The Male? Okay........

[THCskunk]

He Turned Out Small Because I Started The First Three Weeks Of His Life With A 4" Pot. Then I Transplanted Him Into A 8" Pot(1 Gallon) But By Then It Had Mad Roots Avery Where! Its Amazing How Fast They Root Out! Rest Assure That If You Start To Grow This Lil Monster, It Will Root Out All Around The Pot In Onw Week. Three I Am Currently Poting Now Have Already Sprouted. They Are Two Days Old, And Put Them In 5x5w X 10" Depth. Which The 4" Pots Had Only 4' Depth, There For When The Lil Plant Grew Into The Ground It Hit The Bottom By The First Week. Thus Telling The Lil Guy That He Has Reached His Limit And Concentrated On Ou Rooted And Branching. So Dont Make The Same Mistake I Did, Trying To Plant Them Into 4" Thinking I Could Transplant Them Later When They Get Bigger. Well Thats The Catch, They Were Too Fast For Me, Im Used Growing Afghans And Colomibian Gold Strains, A Much Bigger Strain Than This One. I Also Used To Grow Outside Till I Got Busted. So I Figured, Hey This Plant Is Perfect For Me!

[THCskunk]

I Am Using Fox Farm For Soil, Superthrive For Regular Waterting, And Just Started To Use Guano-gro About Three Days Ago. I Am Saving The Flora Nova Product For The Future Females. Im Gonna Try A Tad-bit More Nirtogen On These Lil Sprouts To Try To Induce The Genetics Of Having A Female. The Last Soil Had Too Much Potasium, This Time I Am Going 10 % Nitro, 2 % Phosphate, And 1 % Of Soluble Potash(k20). For All Of You Thinking, Well He's Gonna Burn His Plants! But So Far They Are Doing Very Good For Lil Seedlings. I Started Thier Diet With Superthrive Every Day. They Are Growing Faster Than The Last Two (that Ended Up Being Males) That I Planted. Lets Hope My Technique Works.

[THCskunk]

Its a boy! remember how you were just commenting how small it was. Well this is pics three days later...........

[THCskunk]

I already germinated 3 more hoping for females. Right now they are 1-1/2" tall and already starting to sprout thier second set of leaves. They are exactly five days old.

[THCskunk]

I put the pics together to form a time period. from left to right: staring with fourth day;FEB02,05,07,09,09,11,12,13,today the 17th.

[THCskunk]

Watering with mixture of SuperThrive every day about 1-1/2 tsp. The mixture however is very delicate. Use only as indicated on the label. For active development or resisting stress: 1/4 TSp per gallon.
What I did was went to Wal-Mart and bought 2 one gallon water and a Teaspoon dropper,(found in Medical at the baby supplies.) use that. With this you can easly use the right amount of dosage. REMEMBER! THIS STUFF IS HIGHLY CONCENTRATED! MAKE SURE TO LABEL YOUR GALLONS TO PREVENT YOURSELF OR BY MEANS ANYONE NOT AWARE THAT THE WATER IN THOSE GALLONS ARE VERY DANGEROUS IF DRUNK. KEEP IN A SAFE PLACE.
Turning off the Lights at 6am and turning them back on at 12pm.
I currently am using Fox Farm. I WILL NOT NEED A NUTS TILL TWO MORE WEEKS. The soil contains enough nutes to introduce a healthy root system.
Nutes after the two weeks I will be using Flora Nova. This product also comes with instructions. 1 tsp per gallon.
I currently have 4500 lumens on three Lowryders. space is about 22"x12", yes very small, which is all you will need for these guys. I Have flat white walls around and a small drain tray.
Using Guano-Grow is probably the best way to do this, because it maintains a good ph level and its all natural! It contains more Nitrogen than that of Flora Nova. I myself am using both, one on one and one on the other. expieramenting i guess:D

[samiam03]

I'm pretty sure you can and should use superthrive on your first watering. If i read what THC posted earlier about watering, he started with super thrive as well.

[KADE]

I'm pretty sure you can and should use superthrive on your first watering. If i read what THC posted earlier about watering, he started with super thrive as well.

Yes you can... be easy with it tho... if you are adding any other nutes as well....I'd recommend 1/2 dosage. (1 drop per 2 gallons)

[THCskunk]

Look buddy, Using SuperThrive is very heatly for your plants. I use it every time I water. Just do as indicated on the bottle and you will have no problems my freind. As far as using nutes, well I would hold back for about two weeks from the day they were transplanted into your pots fresh with new soil. Fox Farm has a pretty good concentration mix of Guano good for three weeks. After that follow up on methods of fertilizer. Post some pics so that I can see what you have please.

[THCskunk]

they are 09 days today. to tell you truth the last lowryder males i had I also had a problem with growth for awhile. I had them in 4" inch pots for about 2-1/2 weeks, so then I transplanted them in 8" pots and waited for awhile for growth. It shocked them some how. remember if you had your plants in 6" pots, they probably reached the bottom within the first week. That tells them that they have reached their limit and slow down. when you transplanted them they already were slowed down. It will take one more week for the water root to realize its gravity has no more limit so then it will grow down and you will see growth. Hang in there and be patient, I was in the same situation. This time when I germinated the other three, I immediatly put them in 10" depth pots (1.6gallons) You'll see buddy.
p.s you should see my plants! The leaves on them are huge! way larger than the last batch. its the superthrive. Im telling you if you use it as indicated it really works! talk to you later.

[WrEkkED]

is this strain easy to grow and since it's short does it grow quicker?

[THCskunk]

Results from using SuperThrive. The cut leaves laying on the soil are from a fully mature male from the last batch, check out the difference in size from the one on SuperThrive. This plant is looking more like the one posted on the internet. For all you sceptics, try it, if used properly, the results are amazing!

[THCskunk]

Auto-Flower, meaning it has no vegatation stage, it "Automatically" starts flowering from the day it is germinated. Flowers will not be visible untill 15-20 days later.

[THCskunk]

From left to Right, in the first pic, they are 5 days old which is feb 17....then follows, 19, 22,23,24. I will post more pics in a couple of days.

[Hick]

I can/will clean this journal up for you. if you like 'skunk.
But want to say so in advance, give fair warning.
The last time a mod tried to clean one up "on request", another members "nose got pushed outta joint."
Just lemme know...

[THCskunk]

clean up? Is what way? will it benefit me? anyways here's more pics for ya's.

[THCskunk]

oh yeah, just so you know................They're girls!!!:yay: :banana: :fly: :bugger: :headbang2: :dancing: They're 16 days old today and no balls, my last male lowryder showed thier lil balls 14 days of age, these gals have no sign of lil balls, the last two started to show early signs at 12 days.

[THCskunk]

Here is my buddy's grow from up north.

[THCskunk]

lowryder #2 16 days.

[THCskunk]

[quote=brouli](he said ) he never saw before but he said also i might be some retarder lowryders or mixes like THC sugest .

I never said they were retarded my friend, I just so happened to come across some pics of recent growers's lowryders and alot of them got Lowryder but "crossed" not mixed with the infamous, all known, NORTHERN LIGHTS! I had taken a look at the Northern Lights pics when they were just 7-11 days old , and let me tell ya, they look alot like yours do. I thought you would get happy to hear such wonderful news. Hell I wish I had a Lowryder crossed with Northern Lights! Good luck my friend, and dont give up.

[THCskunk]

:eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!! I DROPPED MY LIGHTS ON MY PLANTS LAST NITE WHILE ADJUSTING THE HEIGHT! I TOTALLY FREAKED OUT. The only thing that worried most from the whole grow was doing just that. I was like in state of mourning all day today because of what happened last night.:( .......But then when I came home from work with the thought already in mind that my plants were going to look like crap when...:eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The little suckers had white hairs sprouted on each node! What the *****! excuse my french people but after having been smashed and stuned they come back with pistels? Pretty tuff little plant I'll tell you that. I will post pics of the damage so that I can get some pointers from who ever on what you would do in a situation like this.

[THCskunk]

Here are the pics of my damaged plants. oh yeah...and the nutes I am using.

[schlendrake]

THC did they break any stem? They dont seem like it in any of the picks.

[THCskunk]

Yes, one did break at the top main node. Look at the first pic and you clearly see there is no top node there. thats why its leaves are reaching for the lights.

[schlendrake]

If you broke the top node off it's no big deal. I snapped mino once more than 1/2 way down the stalk. Taped it up with a pencil and some electric tape and it came back fine. Anyway to your predicament, it should be fine. Just think of it as a rustic topping. lol

[THCskunk]

the only difference with mine is that I did'nt save the top. It snapped off completely, as in decapitation! Oh well here are some more pics......

[schlendrake]

She should come back full strength:) .

[THCskunk]

You were right. check them out now!:eek: 2 day full recovery, they are starting to grow again, faster than before.

[kindphriend]

Que guapas! Beautiful girls you got there! Whatever your doin...keep it up! Nice work!

[jackband1t]

Hey man, i'm reading the thread and likin the lil lowryders a lot! would these babies be your best bet for a stealth grow, seeing as i'm only interested for self use?

[schlendrake]

Looking nice THC. What you should get now, with the one that the top broke off, is 2 mancala's of growth. So instead of one big top you'll have two. :eek: :) :eek:

[THCskunk]

Thank's guys. Appreciate the compliments:peace: . Any way I was inspecting them today with my glass and found that one of them has a male pollen sack.:aok: This is what I was trying to accomplish with gibberellic acid. The 4th pic is the Hermie. This is going to increase my chances of not using the male pollen I have stored in the cooler. Thus also increase chances of recieving Feminized seeds.

[THCskunk]

switched lighting on two. started Flora Nova today.

[DLtoker]

Nice trees man... So how old are they? What's your light schedule?

[shuggy4105]

what lighting d`you have on em THCskunk,nutes etc?

[THCskunk]

They are 3 weeks and 1 day, today. I started them with Fox-Farm then transplanted into Ferti-Lome soil. I am using CFL lighting through the whole grow. Started to use SuperThrive from the start and Guano-Gro one week later. 3rd week I started to use Flora Nova. I now changed the lighting to more orangish or red spectrum light cfl (for budding). This is actually my first grow in soil. And I like it better than Hydro. Its more earthy and easier to do. Hydro was used when I had high demand for product. But smoke for me,myself, and I, well.......I think soil medium is perfect. Besides, I am very patient for good things.

[THCskunk]

ATTENTION!!! IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO BUYING LOWRYDER #2 SEEDS, THE PLACE WHERE I GOT MINE ARE BACK IN STOCK AFTER NEARLY THREE MONTHS. CHECK IT OUT!
http://www.allsalvia.co.uk/lowryder2.htm

[shuggy4105]

"patience" is a virtue,"we" need to have in heaps and bounds.
good things come to those who wait;)

[THCskunk]

update....

[THCskunk]

the female is shown on the right.

[THCskunk]

check these sites out...........
http://www.growryder.com/index.html

http://www.growryder.com/index.html

[DLtoker]

Nice. That soulseeds bank is very cheap. Has anyone used them before?

[THCskunk]

I ordered 3-way last night, i'll tell you when they get here. Planning on getting the snow one too. :D

[BSki8950]

hey THC have u gotten seeds from those sites?? before that minigun looks like my dream seed

[picasso]

hey how u doin, been looking at forums and picking up tips and advice for last 3 months now, have been following ur grow thc..... as im doing the same. and the same age, i have 8 lowryder # 2's on the go....3 weeks old yesterday. check my post in 'introduce yourself' will put up photo's at weekend. think urs look a little more bushy.will have pics up a.s.a.p.

[THCskunk]

glad to have you come across our Lowryder #2 post. If you have any questions regarding the plants hit me up. Now I hope you'll do the same for me and others that are currently growing lowryder.

[THCskunk]

yo BSki, no I have not, this is my first order with them.

[THCskunk]

three more is all you will need. Just do me a favor, when you germinate these, do it in soil, dont use the water cup method. If I did convince you to germinate in soil, do it organic soil, or seed starter. I can give you detailed instructions on how to germinate and care for them in early stages if you want. The reason I say is because I gave two seeds from the ten I got to my boss so that he can try them, he also hydro germinates and one died and the other surived. He germinated his way before mine did. His turned out to be a female (lucky little punk), the reason I said that is becuase I germinated two and got males and he gets a female right off the bat! Anyways his is 1week and a 1/2 older than mine, and his female is much smaller and scimmpier (skiny,lacking buds, not as tall). I don't know what he is doing but its not right. Hit me up if you have any questions. remember, when the Joint Dr. himselfr says "type of medium that best holds the fullest potential for germination is, SOIL." there is a reason that he says this, he is the one who created autoflowering dwarf Lowryder, listen to what he says. as far as lighting, always use 18/6 through out the whole deal.

[Brouli]

ok so tell me what to do i will do it step by step, like you will tell me . OK
just one questions can is stait in Ocean Forest FF??




Ocean Forest Potting Soil

Ready to use right out of the bag, Ocean Forest is a 100% organic soil that contains fertilizers, too! A premium blend of composted forest humus, selected peat mosses, earthworm castings, bat guano, and micronutrients. Ideal for containerized plantings...inside and out! Light texture and well aerated. It's nature's finest.

[THCskunk]

Ocean forrest has nutes in it correct? is it organic? I have never used it before. Your soil hold 40% of quality in your plants, if you want good pot, get good soil for the right plants. some like alot of food and some don't. It depends. Lowryder#2 seems to be that plant that likes alot of food. My first time using Flora-Nova, I was supposed to give it 300ppm(NaCi), but I figured, if they are thriving off the SuperThrive, (when I'm only supposed to use superthrive every week). and I am giving it to them everyday, then lets try 1200ppm. thats alot, not recommended from any expierienced grower, especially when first introducing them to it. Well I went ahead and tried it and started to notice alot more hairs over night after giving them a powerful punch dosage of Flora Nova, WOW! This plant is a ruderal or what ever.

[THCskunk]

to be honest, I used Miracle Gro "Organic Choice" For container flowers and herbs. Let me write up step by step instructions on exactly how I did it. I will post it in 20 min. remember, I used this soil only for the first few days, then I used Ferti-Lome soil.

[THCskunk]

ru·der·al http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif (https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Fruderal\'s) (rōō'dər-əl) Pronunciation Key (http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html)
adj. Growing in rubbish, poor land, or waste.

n. A plant that grows in rubbish, poor land, or waste.


[New Latin rūderālis, from Latin rūdus, rūder-, rubbish.]

The lowryder consists of crosses between (left to right):Williams wonder,Northern lights, ruderals, and santa-maria. Lowryder has another cross but Dr. Joint does'nt want to share that with us.

[stunzeed]

Hey guys. If I grew Lowryder in say an 8X8X6 raised soilbed under 2 1000w HPS how many lowryders could I squeeze into the area? Thanks for your help.


Stunzeed..:confused:

[Dizoelio]

Alright. After reading this thread a few times i've decided to get some lowrider seeds myself. That plant looks great and you guys are making my mouth water talking about a decent high with 2 month wait on buds. WOW.

[Dizoelio]

Hey THC, I ordered from allsalvia. Thanks for tip on store. Hope they ship fast.

Can't wait to start my lowrider grow. TYhey use disreet packagaing right? I didn't see an option for it. But I doubt they would just have a big old tag on the package right? ... RIGHT?

[THCskunk]

yes they are pretty fast, I got mine in 7 buisness days. They also came in discreet packaging, you'll be pleased.

[THCskunk]

update......3weeks and four days old.

[shuggy4105]

THC, what lighting you using on those fine ladies:cool: ?wickedly small man!

[Dizoelio]

update......3weeks and four days old.


Wow I cant wait man, my current plants are doing alright. Just got some super thrive. So hopefully a little better. But nothing compared to your plants. I really can't wait to get those lowriders!

I just got some mylar too so hopefully the light bouncing to the sides will help them get nice and bushy. Since I just got a hid I will be using my cf's for side lamps. Hopefully this will please the plants.

Haha... if Aliens were just like monitoring the people in this forum they would assume Cannabis is the dominant lifeform. ... I must go attend to my mistress now.

[Dizoelio]

Hey, forgot to ask. Anything unwanted from the ruderalis genes that comes with this strain? Nothing that effects the high right? Seems so unreal 9 weeks.

[THCskunk]

I am still not getting MW to work. so I'll just do like this.

Materials:
Pots-5x5square, they are 10" deep. one per plant. 1 10" pot. gallon or more.
LIghts-CFL daylight 5600k 1800 lumens
reflective-Mylar
teaspoon dropper
spray bottle
teaspoon measuring tables

Nutes and soil:
SuperThrive
Flora Nova
Guano Gro
Organic Choice (Miracle Gro)
Ferti-Lome
2-1gal of water, one to mix your SuperThrive, and the other for the Flora Nova.

1. Using your big pot of choice ,1 gallon, 2 gallon, depending on how much you're planning on germinating, fill the pot half way this way you don't use up too much soil. Your little seeds wont need much deepness now.

2. Having your pot ready with soil, go to your nearest sink or bath tub and soak the soil till it starts to come out of the drain holes on the bottom. When done so, let it drain fully till no more water drips. Don't let it dry out, just watch it right there and wait till it drains. Level your soil nice and flat but not packed down, leave fluffly but not too much.

3. Having your seeds in hand ready for placement, press down into the soil using your index finger and making 1/2 inch deep, about the size of your fingernail. Remember, you are using your big pot because your are germinating multiples of seeds at one time in one pot of organic soil. This eliminates the hassle of later switching soils from your pots that will be filled with Ferti-Lome soil. Your seeds should be at least two inches apart, this way when they germinate, you wil have good room digging them out without damaging the root or the other little seedlings around that one.

4. When done so with the soil, carefully grab your seed and place it, seed side up. The way you can tell which is the top is your seeds has detachment mark where it sat inside the flower, place that side up.
There is no improvement in growth or yield with this method just speeds up the process by helping the lil seed find its gravity.

5. After having all the seeds in the holes, covert the holes naturaly, always think about how they would grow in the wild, they are covered up lightly, not packed, but again don't let them have to much exposure to air, you'll get it man, don't worry. You can put toothpicks right by the hole where planted your seed to identify exactly where to spray your water explained in step six.

6. Afterwards have your spray bottle and fill it up with just plain balanced water, no SuperThrive yet. Some growers say you can use it right away but I did'nt. It won't hurt it, but then again I am writing exactly how I did it. Spray your soil where the seeds are at. Three sprays every 12 hours will do it, test your soil by pressing down gently and rub your fingers together to see if you there is moisture.

7. When they finally Germinate, leave them there still spraying them with the bottle till they get about 3-4 days old. Or when they sprout thier second set of leaves. Have your 5x5 pots ready filled with Ferti-Lome soil.
Spray about 20 sprays of water onto the new soil. Then get a sharpie pen or something sterilized that will create a 1/2"x4" hole.

8. Get your seedlings and soak them with 2 tsp. of water around the soil where they sit and with the tip of a spoon, carefully dig 1" away from the seedling and pull it out very carefully. Place it in the ready soil which you have preped and making sure your the root goes straight down, this will take a few attempts till you get it right in the soil. Cover It up and water one more time so that the soil locks in with the water.

9. After that you're all set, use the SuperThrive now that you have got them in because they will need it, the new soil contains alot of nutes and they will expierience a littlie stress, the SuperThrive helps or eliminates the stress and also gives them the jump start to a healthy introduction to nute soil.

water them daily but not too much, just about 2- teaspoons a day. Let your soil dry out once in awhile so that they do not build up a routine of when you are going to water them. change the waterings from less to alot in variation time periods. Again, think like if you were the jungle or habitat that they are instinctively used to. You contro the weather and climate, make it a good one.

Anymore questions don't be afraid to ask.

[THCskunk]

I am using CFL's 5600k daylights. lumens about 1800 each. one light per plant.
As far as the Ruderalis, that just means it can grow in the places where other strains would die if not having the nutes or correct soil.
This lil sucker will grow on the side of the highway or in just plain dirt. But taking good care of it can get you about 50-60 grams of pure sweet tasty pot. Play your cards right, like LST or FIM, and she will top out at 85-90 grams. So far that is the holding record, hey who knows, you can maybe yield more.

[Dizoelio]

I am using CFL's 5600k daylights. lumens about 1800 each. one light per plant.
As far as the Ruderalis, that just means it can grow in the places where other strains would die if not having the nutes or correct soil.
This lil sucker will grow on the side of the highway or in just plain dirt. But taking good care of it can get you about 50-60 grams of pure sweet tasty pot. Play your cards right, like LST or FIM, and she will top out at 85-90 grams. So far that is the holding record, hey who knows, you can maybe yield more.


Sweet! Can't wait, proably have em in a week or two ordered today. Received confirmation number.

I am testing out LST on one of my plants coming this week, making hooks and gently doing it.

What will the cured nugget look like? Color wise/texture, like some nice crystaly stuff or some leafy nugs? Haven't seen much pictures of the cured nugs around.

[shuggy4105]

"I" beleive the "Ruderalis" input is to strenghthen the strain against disease and problems,as it actually means "wild",the mj growing wild without any interfeirance from us. although, "I" could be misinformed.:cool: :smoke1: :smoke1:

[Hick]

the ruderalis is the predominant "auto"flowering influence..IMHO. ..and origonally was Russian "hemp"..with little to no psychactive qualities.

the nature of the three strains of cannabis (C. sativa, C. indica and C. ruderalis). Cannabis Sativa is tall and thin, generally growing between 8 and 12 feet in the wild with a light green colour and long thin leaves. The smell is generally sweet, fruity and mild. It is the predominant strain in Africa, Western Europe, the Caribbean, Latin America, South-East Asia and Southern India. Cannabis Indica is short and squat, averaging between 3 and 6 feet in height, with dark green, short broad leaves. It smells “skunky” and strong. It is common in the Middle East, Central Asia (where cannabis is thought to originate) and Northern India. Cannabis Ruderalis grows from 4 to 6 feet in height and resembles a short, branchless sativa. It is found in Eastern Europe and the Russian Steppes. C. indica is cultivated almost solely for its psychoactive qualities while C. Ruderalis is a purely industrial plant. C. sativa can be harvested for both its industrial applications (hemp) and as a drug.

[shuggy4105]

thought i could`ve been talking:**: there,cheers for clearing that up for us Hick.:)

[THCskunk]

an eastern strain induced scientifically to perform early flowering.
although now crossing ruderalis with strains like mexican skunk#1,and other indica strains, a stablelized 100% auto flowering strain has been born, the original ruderalis were almost to be considered useless, because they were very unstable as opposed to having one flower much earlier than the other and some had buds that never ripened. but they are here and giving the same kind of high that of a regular photosynthesis growing plant. I read that the old ruderalis would give you a buzz not a high and sometimes resulting in headaches.

[THCskunk]

ruderalis is a mexican term used in the Mexican Civil War to identify an army with poor weaponry, but strong fighting and in numbers. how it got to eastern europe, I don't know, but what the russians and eastern europeans could not do, The southern latin strains of cannabis made this strain possible to be stable.

[picasso]

hey how you all doin?, as you will see i have only done 5 posts i think on this forum.....not sure of 'forum etiquette' !! never grown before....and never been on forums and talked to people from around the world before!!
so not sure if i'm butting in here?
cant load pics from camera, think lead is faulty but gonna print them then scan them in on monday,....one question though....got one definate female which im over the moon about,...but my best plant has 'love conkers'.....if i sacrificed a female to pollinate for seeds?......would i be able to put the pollinated female back in the growroom with the other plants without contaminating the others?
p.s. when i get camera working i will start agrow diary.

[Elephant Man]

A bit of text from DJ Short:

"Three subspecies

It is useful to agree, at least in theory, that there are three separate subspecies of the genus Cannabis – Sativa, Indica and Ruderalis.

Cannabis Sativa is the equatorial variety found primarily around 30 degrees latitude North or South. Sativa generally grow tall, from seven to thirty feet, have many long branches, narrower leaflets, and mature slowly.

Cannabis Indica varieties generally inhabit the areas between 30-50 degrees North or South latitude. Indica are generally much shorter than Sativa, only about three to five feet tall. They have fewer and shorter branches than Sativa, the longer of which are lower on the plant, with much wider leaflets. They also mature earlier and more rapidly than Sativa.

Cannabis Ruderalis grow naturally primarily past 50 degrees north latitude (the Siberian steppes). Ruderalis are the shortest, least bushy, and fastest maturing of the three.

The end of the sweet spots

Prior to the late 1970's, virtually all commercially available cannabis products came from the great outdoors. Many of these varieties had been grown in their particular region since antiquity – not since the advent of sailing had a greater diversification and distribution of the herb occurred.

Most cannabis available was also very well acclimated to its particular region of origin. Certain places tended to produce very unique and desirable types of herb that were renowned to each region. I like to refer to these high-quality cannabis producing areas as "sweet spots." The products coming out of these sweet spots during this era were among the finest herbs ever available.

A series of phenomena occurred in the late 1970's and early 80's that has since revolutionized the cannabis industry. This series included the triad of sinsemilla, High Intensity Discharge (HID) lighting, and the introduction of Indica genetics, coupled with draconian herb laws that drove the industry far underground. Never before in human history was so much genetic diversity of cannabis grown in such generic, indoor conditions. The results of this phenomenon have wreaked havoc on the cannabis gene pool.

The road to blandness

As Indica, sinsemilla and HID lighting became predominant, it became apparent that Sativa varieties were very difficult to coax commercial amounts of sinsemilla herb from indoors. The fast maturing, dense bud structure of the easy-to-grow Indica soon dominated the indoor grow scene.

Another factor contributing to the desirability of the indoor Indica was its truebreeding "dioecious" nature, meaning that individual plants tend to be male or female only, but not both. In contrast, many Sativa strains show hermaphroditic tendencies indoors, with male and female flowers on the same plant. (It is my opinion that wild Sativa strains of cannabis are primarily truebreeding hermaphroditic varieties.)

As outdoor production diminished due to intolerant laws and the drug war, indoor production of Indica phenotypes became the staple of the commercial indoor grower. The road to generic blandness had begun.

Although some Sativa/Indica crosses matched some of the Sativa flavor and head high with the Indica bud structure, this desirability would only last for a few generations of breeding. Unless a person is breeding for a very specific trait, crosses seven generations and beyond the original P1 Indica/Sativa cross lose much of their original charm and desirability. Cloning, however, helps to extend a given plant's potential.

Ruderalis: myth and misnomer

As indoor growers attempted to improve their genetic lines via breeding, another interesting phenomenon occurred: Ruderalis. Although there is a wild variety identified as Ruderalis in Russia ("Ruderalis" is supposedly Russian for "by the side of the road") that grows very short and matures very fast, I seriously doubt the rumor that someone actually went to Russia to collect seeds of this variety sometime in the past. Or, if someone actually did go all the way to Russia to find, collect and smuggle "rudy" seeds, I do feel sorry for their waste of time. They could have gotten the same worthless thing from Minnesota, Saskatchewan or Manitoba with much less hassle.

The North American Ruderalis probably originated as follows: After the Indica varieties arrived in the US and became incorporated into the gene pool, many breeders began to cross the earliest maturing individuals with each other in hopes of shortening the maturation cycle.

It would only take a few generations for the ugly Rudy phenotypes to begin expressing themselves. By ugly, I am referring to a strong lack of potency and/or desirability. I know, I was once guilty of the practice myself. It did not take me long to realize that this was a huge mistake in regard to the quality and potency of the future generations' finished product, and all subsequent breeding along this line was ceased.

Many of these manipulated rudies were released on the open market between 1981 and 1986. It was shortly after this period that the grow journals of the era (Sinsemilla Tips and High Times) ran articles about the possibility of a new wonder variety for indoor grows: fast blooming Ruderalis. Rumor had spread to myth and misnomer. Therefore, it may be more appropriate to say that the Ruderalis phenotype was coaxed from Indica genetics, via the indoor breeding environment.

The same applies to many of the Indica dominant varieties available today. Breeders selecting for early, fast flowering or fast growth often miss out on some of the finer and more subtle characteristics available from crossing certain genotypes. My advice to breeders is to wait until the finished product is suitably tested before coming to any conclusions regarding desirable candidates for future breeding consideration."

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Maybe you guys don't know this but you do not need any 'special' strain of MJ to flower without vegging. All MJ species and strains will veg until mature, even under 12/12...usuallly in 3-4 weeks and then they will flower. Germ whatever beans you got in flower and you will get the same thing...little plants.

[THCskunk]

There is a big difference between "little plants" and a auto-flowering dwarf plant that does just that without changing the light schedule. Like said before, "There is no other cannabis right now that matures faster than that of the Lowryder" your info is pretty good and we appreciate it, but tell us something that we don't already know. Very good information though man, thanks for the help.
what link or website did you get this from?

[shuggy4105]

you broke it down well E-man,very interesting read;)
this is a great thread.

[Hick]

Since this was brought up...

The road to blandness.....
It would only take a few generations for the ugly Rudy phenotypes to begin expressing themselves.....Breeders selecting for early, fast flowering or fast growth often miss out on some of the finer and more subtle characteristics available from crossing certain genotypes......Never before in human history was so much genetic diversity of cannabis grown in such generic, indoor conditions. The results of this phenomenon have wreaked havoc on the cannabis gene pool.

I blieve the point DJ was aiming at here, is that the breeders consistantly selecting for, and breeding with early flowering pheno's/varieties has/is/will be detrimental to the overall genetic structure of "high" grade drug quality mj.
A "Breeder"(not a seed maker) once related it to me in this manner...
"If left to go feral, (grow wild), mj will revert to hemp within a few generations. Why?.. In the wild, the paternal side of the process is dominated by the "earliest" flowering males and/or hermies."
He concluded that the recessive traits found in the later maturing males, must be a key to improvement of drug grade cannabis. Pretty much the same thoughts that DJ short makes.
"Super" fast, early matureing plants may be all THE rage at the moment, and may serve a purpose to those with little patience, space or desirability for "top quality", but IMHO are NOT doing the gene pool any favors.
The origonal "landrace" strains, from the "Sweet spots" are virtually gone. Desirable genetics, characteristics have been lost forever. Thank goodness for those that have recognized it, and have/are attempting to preserve the diversity still left.

[shuggy4105]

so, does this mean that the strains going around today,are of a lesser quality/stability? should we as growers be attempting to cross breed strains, or does this reduce the strenghth/potency,by doing this without any "real" knoledge of the plants,of which we are crossing`s genetics?:stoned: :argue: :bong1: thanx for the info,all input is welcome.
cheers

[Elephant Man]

A "Breeder"(not a seed maker)

Very nice Hick, I feel the same way.

Both can create IBL's. Both can create mutants and total loss of vigor and potency. The difference is whether or not they know...and whether or not they know how it happened.

As long as you do not distribute seeds or pollen, I say go for it.

Nice comment on the males, I caught on to that from REv.

[Elephant Man]

There is a big difference between "little plants" and a auto-flowering dwarf plant that does just that without changing the light schedule. Like said before, "There is no other cannabis right now that matures faster than that of the Lowryder" your info is pretty good and we appreciate it, but tell us something that we don't already know. Very good information though man, thanks for the help.

This is an example of the 'little plants' I was talking about. I personally would rather wait another 4 weeks for one of these...and these can be cloned.

I don't know why you would want to breed something that has clearly been shown not worth messing with. Are you going to buy new lowryder 2 seeds everytime? Do you have a true-breeding Santa Maria father?

The first 3 pics were taken by my freind, Dutch breeder and grower in Holland, Atmosphere...the last pic is AK48 done by a bro named Haggis...just another grower...all born under 12/12. Add 3-4 weeks to your flower time and clone away.

[THCskunk]

example: you have 4 plants, and I have four plants. ok, so you harvest 4 in 5-6 weeks, I will have had harvested 3 times as much as you would. you will yeild around 900 grams in 6 weeks, I will yeild 750grams plus not to mention the ones already ready to harvest, see the picture, the faster you have it, the better. Now don't get me wrong, having strains like the ones you have are very good also, but my point is these plants are small and mature really fast, by the time one grower is going into veg stage with his/her's plants, Lowryder will be ready to smoke and still have way more room to fit times that. Its not how big if not how much of it you have in two months.....think about it. It's cool if you have a grudge against these strains, maybe you should grow some before bieng sceptic. I tell you this because I also would have the same attitude as yourself. But when your the type that needs to have the product fast and ready and still have another batch coming, you will start to see it. I currently have growing 256 plants growing in another area, all of which are strains from White Widow, Northern Lights, Ak-47, and all sorts of other strains that I don't even know what they are. You see, I also grow other strains other than Lowryder, but this little strain is something new for me and after growing 6-12' tall plants, these plants might do away with having the risk of me getting caught, less visilbe by far if you know what I mean man. So keep it cool and we appreciate your opinions and comments on this thread.
As far as breeding, if you read and research correctly, it clearly says that cloning is not worth doing, but also is advised to "POLLENATE" your female if you have a male, when they say they are stable, it is stable and 100% auto flowering. tell you what, you grow your's, and I will grow mine. Stop asking me why I would want to grow if you already know why I am doing it.

[THCskunk]

update....27th day

[Elephant Man]

. Stop asking me why I would want to grow if you already know why I am doing it.

I am discussing this strain with the entire internet. If this was a grow journal, I would not have posted. This thread is clearly a discussion of this strain.

[THCskunk]

Deep in the North American woods lurks a recent addition to the marijuana gene pool: Ruderalis hybrids! The forests and fields are coming alive with resinated plants, blasting their way to maturity under the intense light of the summer sun, long before the buzzing of choppers or moldy autumn weather.

Until recently, Ruderalis had been almost unanimously given a bad name by cultivators and breeders alike. Early Dutch seed pioneers like Super Sativa Seed Club voiced their concerns about Ruderalis early in the homegrown revolution. This was all with understandable reason, as pure Ruderalis varieties are almost completely devoid of THC and come with a host of other problems for the grower or breeder.

Breeding programs between Ruderalis and drug type strains can and have produced plants of notable quality. The aim of this article is to shine some light on this recent advance in marijuana breeding and pave the way to what could be the future of outdoor marijuana cultivation for many areas of the world.

What is Ruderalis?

Cannabis Ruderalis is a subspecies of Cannabis Sativa. The term was originally used in the former Soviet Union to describe the varieties of hemp that had escaped cultivation and adapted to the surrounding region.

Similar Ruderalis populations can be found in most of the areas where hemp cultivation was once prevalent. The most notable region in North America is the midwest, though populations occur sporadically throughout the United States and Canada. Without the human hand aiding in selection, these plants have lost many of the traits they were originally selected for, and have acclimatized to their locale.

Though they contain little THC, these plants hold large potential for use in breeding, both in hemp and marijuana applications. Early flowering and resistance to locally significant insect and disease pressures are but a few of the important traits present in these feral populations.

Thankfully, despite years of US government sponsored eradication programs, these wild plants still remain in bountiful abundance.
Early Bud: this one will be ready while other buds are not.Early efforts

The first documented experiments in crossing drug strain varieties with their Ruderalis cousins were performed by Ernest Small of Agriculture Canada in Ontario during the 1970's, for the aiding in the purposes of taxonomic classification. Crosses between these strains usually produced offspring of intermediate THC levels, with a few that leaned more towards the high THC end of the spectrum. It was concluded during this research that hybrids between drug and non-drug (both ruderal and hemp cultivars were tested) generally produced progeny of intermediate potency.1

Perhaps the most known efforts to incorporate Ruderalis traits into drug hybrids are those of Nevil, proprietor of the original Seed Bank, and the person largely responsible for the original dispersion of many of today's drug varieties.

During the 1980's, Nevil experimented with crossing Ruderalis strains to plants such as Mexican, Skunk#1 and several Indicas, in hopes of combining the early flowering of the Ruderalis with the potency and flavor of the others.

Although some of Neville's crosses matured much earlier than previous marijuana strains, they tended to be low in potency, unstable in terms of maturity, and often sported buds that were leafy with shrunken calyxes.
Early Purple: sweet Rudy in the mix.BC's Mighty Mite

About this time, on British Columbia's Gulf islands, an outdoor grower was noticing that his October finishing strain always threw out a few plants that finished much earlier – by late July or early August. After several years of selections for this early flowering trait, the Mighty Mite strain was born.2 Mighty Mite effectively incorporated the auto-flowering trait, while retaining the habit and potency of its drug cultivar heritage.

For those in the know, Mighty Mite quickly became a popular outdoor strain for filling the traditional late summer drought in BC's pot market before the market was flooded with regular seasonal outdoor bud. Slowly, over the years, these genetics have spread further amongst underground pot growers and been used most successfully in hybridizations with more potent strains.

Aside from getting crops in before cops and other thieves can plunder them, these early plants have allowed growers to produce plants with much more commercial appeal than traditional Northern latitude outdoor marijuana.

Warm, dry summer weather with high light values allow buds to finish bright green and rock hard, making for better bag appeal. It is impossible to tell whether the many auto-flowering strains floating around all originated in the Mighty Mite family or are a result of many similar incidents, but it is certainly the most proven of all the auto-flowering strains. The fact that Mighty Mite is an inbred line and relatively true breeding for its auto-flowering trait would make it seem likely to have been a large contributor.

DJ Short has recently speculated that Ruderalis introductions into the drug cannabis gene pool likely came from repeated selections for early flowering traits from Indica based lines rather than actually being imported from Russia or surrounding countries (CC#39, Breeding Tips (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2600.html)). Both of these scenarios are quite possible. General consensus is that all drug, hemp and feral strains of cannabis originated from the same source gene pool, therefore, Indica varieties would also have these auto-flower genes present somewhere in their genetic makeup.
Get those buds in before choppers and thieves come looking!Early flowering explored

The marijuana strains most of us have been familiar with begin flowering once the night period reaches the individual plant's critical night length. This critical length varies depending on where the strain originated. Generally, there is a critical period of darkness required to begin flowering, and a second slightly longer critical dark requirement for it to ripen completely.

Many Indica varieties begin to flower when the day length drops to about 13 1/2-14 hours, while Sativas will often not begin to flower until less than a 12 hour day length is achieved.

In comparison, many of today's Ruderalis/drug strain hybrids flower automatically when they reach a given maturity, regardless of photoperiod. Even under lights on 18 hours a day, they completely mature from seed to bud in less than 90 days.

I've seen test plants from Mighty Mite hybrid lines that were started outdoors in early March, and had completely finished by late July. This could indicate that crossing auto-flowering plants to those that are photoperiod determinant lengthens a genetically predetermined period required before non-photoperiod dependent floral onset.

A second scenario is that within the ruderal strains that have been introduced to the drug gene pool there also exists genetic information of photoperiod adaptation to north latitudes.

Many of these Ruderalis/drug hybrids are also known for being very sensitive to other environmental factors. Things such as cloning, letting plants go too dry or getting pot bound can easily send them into heavy flowering.

The big unknown that still remains in these new lines of marijuana is what is actually causing the flowering on a biological level? Is there an internal clock, a genetically predetermined number of cell divisions that must take place before the plant begins to put up buds?

Another possibility is that once night-induced flowering hormone levels accumulate to certain levels within the plant it will begin to flower.

If the flowering is not dependent on having a dark period, these new cultivars could prove useful in backyard city growing situations, where streetlights and other forms of light pollution often prevent proper maturation of photoperiod dependent strains.

[THCskunk]

Problems and pitfalls

As these genetics further penetrate the drug cannabis gene pool they have potential to cause both harm and good.

Imagine getting mothers up and going for your next big crop and finding that at 60 days they all begin to go into full flower. A costly inconvenience at the least!

However, the potential for great advances is also there for the taking. How about auto-flowering Haze strains that ripen in the middle of summer, in areas where previously even the earliest Indicas would not ripen in time? Commercial growers could pull two crops per summer without ever having to worry about shading!

Breeding climate

One of the largest problems associated with breeding outdoor varieties for northern latitude areas like Canada or Holland is that the climate puts no pressure on plants to produce high psychoactivity. In fact it selects for the opposite.

So long as the breeder is selecting for high potency on a multi-parent level, potency can be upheld. However, if this same breeding program were undertaken in an environment that naturally selects for high THC plants (like highland Colombia or Thailand) the resulting average desirable cannabinoid levels would be much higher.

There is likely a threshold effect on the potential of any given strain as related to the environment it is being selected in. By incorporating auto-flower genes into the north latitude outdoor marijuana gene pool, plants would be finishing under more direct sunlight and warmer weather. This environment is much more conducive to high THC levels, thereby raising the threshold level for the particular strain.
Mighty cola in the morning sun.Ruderalis and hemp

It is very likely that Ruderalis varieties have already made for an important advance in hemp cultivars. The variety FIN314 was developed from genetic material originating in Russia and seems to have the same auto-flowering trait noted in Mighty Mite and other hybrids.

FIN314 seeds that accidentally germinated in a Quebec farmer's field in early April were found in full flower by early June.3 Along with adding the possibility of twin crops in a season, this allows the oilseed variety to finish short enough to be easily harvested by current machinery, which clogs when fed the standard taller hemp varieties.

The genetic history of the parents of FIN 314 is unknown, other than that they were acquired from a germplasm collection from Russia. However, it is believed that at least one of the parents was a Ruderalis accession.4 If the widespread adoption of FIN314 by hemp farmers is any indication of the future of Ruderalis/drug hybrids with pot growers, there will be a mass dispersal in the coming years.

Buyer beware

There are still many commercially offered Ruderalis hybrid strains that are very low quality and should barely be classed as drug varieties. At the same time, the finest Canadian outdoor pot to have crossed my path so far was from Mighty Mite derived lines that were harvested in July and August.

The future seems clear for Ruderalis/marijuana hybrids. As many governments ease up on antiquated cannabis laws, more and more people will take up growing. A couple of auto-flowers on the back deck will likely fit the lifestyle of many more folks than would an indoor grow room.

Demand for stabilized, auto-flowering hybrids of high drug value, in combination with saner drug laws, will pressure marijuana breeders to move forward on bringing these to fruition.

Until then, the ability to have marijuana crops maturing at any time of the growing season should wreak havoc on CAMP style police tactics that have been accustomed to only searching for plants one or two months of the year. This, if for no other reason, seems ample enough to plant some auto-flowerers today!

[Brouli]

i see the conversation stop after THC pop (paste/copy) essay :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[THCskunk]

update on pics..........28 days. I will post more in 3 days (thursday). thanks.

[Hick]

i see the conversation stop after THC pop essay :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"Pop essay"??....it's a c/p from CC. .:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
and it certainly didn't change my opinions of the detrimental aspects of breeding hemp lines into marijuana.
DJ Short(as was quoted and credited) has a reputation for breeding the finest quality strains. It took him several years of selection and testing, to bring his Blueberry to stabalization, true breeding, and ready to release to the public. It is, he is, regarded as one of the most successfull breeders/breeding projects in recent mj history.
"Who" is DMT????
What has he produced?..Any credentials we can consider?..

[Brouli]

OK Hick now let me ask you a question , what would you do if you dont have a lot of space and can grow something very short and like everybody else something quick ???
what i heard Lowryder buzz its not that weak, and let be honest on one thing do you seriously think that people even here on this forum that grow freakin 20 , 30 plants they do it for personal use ?? comone now


but i still think that what you and E-man state on this thread was good for the topic , now only thing we got left is to let people decide what they wonna do . and i think you agree on that :)

[Brouli]

THC they look awesome
but i got a question you will keep them under those 3 lights thru the whole grow ??

[Hick]

OK Hick now let me ask you a question , what would you do if you dont have a lot of space and can grow something very short and like everybody else something quick ???
what i heard Lowryder buzz its not that weak, and let be honest on one thing do you seriously think that people even here on this forum that grow freakin 20 , 30 plants they do it for personal use ?? comone now


but i still think that what you and E-man state on this thread was good for the topic , now only thing we got left is to let people decide what they wonna do . and i think you agree on that :)

"Super" fast, early matureing plants may be all THE rage at the moment, and may serve a purpose to those with little patience, space or desirability for "top quality", but IMHO are NOT doing the gene pool any favors.
I think I already answered that brouli...
and I said in another thread, that I felt it serves a purpose, for a certain "nich" of growers. But, I'll reiterate, "I" don't think it is doing the gene pool any good"..
Didn't you once say you owned/ran a pitbull kennel?
Did you breed your best bitch to the mongrel mutt that romed the neighborhood?
"Choose only the best. Do away with the rest." when choosing breeding stock.

Plant counts can go against you, in the event that your grow was busted. Judge or jury is going to see 100 plants differently than they will see 10, no?..In my state, I'm allowed 6 plants legaly, with 3 in flower. In CA, I believe the number is 99.

[Elephant Man]

OK Hick now let me ask you a question , what would you do if you dont have a lot of space and can grow something very short and like everybody else something quick ???
what i heard Lowryder buzz its not that weak, and let be honest on one thing do you seriously think that people even here on this forum that grow freakin 20 , 30 plants they do it for personal use ?? comone now


but i still think that what you and E-man state on this thread was good for the topic , now only thing we got left is to let people decide what they wonna do . and i think you agree on that :)

Just adding to what Hick pointed out, although many of us may be medcal, maybe even caregivers, we still have the feds and thieves to fear. Security is number one and IMO we should all keep our mouths shut.;) I did not put thousands of dollar price tags on my plants, the feds and dealers did that. If the laws were the same as they were 100 years ago, well...you would all be invited to a barbeque...and you know what I mean.:smoke1:

As far as compact plants, any strain will show sex 2-4 weeks under 12/12. It really is not that hard to understand. Some whites and AK I know for a fact will show at closer to 2 weeks, some 99% sativas may take 4-5 weeks, but flowering time starts at the moment of maturity, so add that to your time to maturity.

Many blueberry strains finish in 7 weeks flat. I know, I have one. The male has shown at about 11 days, the female will show in the next ten days. Cull the males and clone away, harvest your seedlings 7 weeks later...do you understand? Much easier than dealing with the complexities of breeding, and I personally would rather smoke and grow MJ that is revered, not feared.

Nice 'copy and paste' essay THC.:rolleyes: You really should quote the author next time.

[Brouli]

o Thanks E-man , you mention that bluebery (some strains) will be ready to harvest in like 7 weeks ??
can you tell me which one ??
thanks again man

[Elephant Man]

o Thanks E-man , you mention that bluebery (some strains) will be ready to harvest in like 7 weeks ??
can you tell me which one ??
thanks again man

Mine is Nirvana's Blue Mystic, it is Blueberry X Skunk.
D.J. Short's blueberry finishes fast too.
White Rhino will preflower early and finish fast too.

[Brouli]

dammm my favorite no lowryder plant White Rhino i wil get that some how and i will try thanks E-Man

[THCskunk]

I see we are still debating on the importance of the Lowryder! Right on, right on. This just makes this little strain more interesting. Anyway, Hick, I don't know why you drop to your knees and laugh about what I posted. I never said I wrote it or claimed to have written it? The reason I did it like that is because I have posted links and sometimes people would ignore the link and still ask the same questions. This way it is clear to all for reading. Its ok that you are not convinced, it was never a thought or importance on making you think other wise. I mean, the only reason I am doing this is to show peeps on the ups and downs of Lowryder. So you don't like it? that is perfect in your aspect of looking at it. I am not on a mission to change that either. You guys have good read and keep it cool. Please do not take any offense, you are helpful and very expierenced in growing my friends. ;)

[THCskunk]

It's the same here, only a little bit different. Here your screwed no matter what. Here if the plants are flowered and ripe and you were to get caught, They charge you not only by count, but by weighing your crop and then determining your fate in court. It sucks here. My buddy got popped here about 3 weeks ago and luckily his plant were'nt mature yet. He was busted with 76 plants all of which were still in veg stage, lucky him. He paid a lawyer (rough estimate) about $3,200.00 dollars and got of with red flag probation and no felonies on his record. He was in jail for 6 hours and was free to do buisness again. Remember, having kids can greatly increase the chances of you getting caught. they get hurt, they get in a fight, they cause trouble, they can sometimes run their mouth at school, there is a dozen of more reasons on how a kid could get you caught. Its not thier fault, they are who they are, kids. Anyway thats how my homie got popped, His kid lost his key to the house and when he got home he jumped through window and one of the neighbors saw him and called the cops reporting a breaking and entering. Well the cops showed up to his house and bieng the kid was too young to be home alone (13yrs), they had no choice but to questioned the kid to see if he was really one of residents living there. In the process of doing just that, cops started walking around the house to make sure there was no broken windows or other people with the so called robber (his boy). They checked everything and called it good up untill a rookie cop decided to check the garage..........BINGO! All 76 plants sitting under Hydroponic systems were destroyed along with the lights and equipment. So just be carefull, no matter what strain it is, they are all risky buisness when illegal in your area. Its way safer thatn crack, cocain, meth, and alot of other drugs killing people every day.

[THCskunk]

I recieved my order for 3-Way from soul seeds.

I ordered another one, Master Kush. I am waiting for them to stock Afghanryder and lowsnow.
here is the link...
http://soulseeds.co.uk/

The delivery was super fast! I got mine in 4 days.

[Hick]

I see we are still debating on the importance of the Lowryder! Right on, right on. This just makes this little strain more interesting. Anyway, Hick, I don't know why you drop to your knees and laugh about what I posted. I never said I wrote it or claimed to have written it? The reason I did it like that is because I have posted links and sometimes people would ignore the link and still ask the same questions. This way it is clear to all for reading. Its ok that you are not convinced, it was never a thought or importance on making you think other wise. I mean, the only reason I am doing this is to show peeps on the ups and downs of Lowryder. So you don't like it? that is perfect in your aspect of looking at it. I am not on a mission to change that either. You guys have good read and keep it cool. Please do not take any offense, you are helpful and very expierenced in growing my friends. ;)

It was a "good read" thc, the laffing was NOT at the article, or your information. I see how it appeared that way. "I" prefer the c/p to a posted link. It puts the info into the context of the thread. As eman related, though, the author should be credited. It not only lends credibility(if due), but it prevents the author from seeing it and feeling he has been plagerised.
thanks for your understanding in the matter.

Sorry to hear about your friend. We're all dealing with draconian laws. One never knows when fate will come a' callin'.
"I know"..first hand. Several yrs ago, I had a small patch busted. They weighed rootballs,(dirt 'n all), stalks, leaves, all wet. It was sufficient to make it in excess of 8 oz. which makes it a feloniuos offense.

[picasso]

Thats a good thread...soulseeds. gonna stick to the little ones like these as well.snow looks really nice.....could be my next one!!! p.s. have started a grow journal with some pics now...take a look.

[THCskunk]

thats cool picasso, I'll take look. oh yeah HIck, I have no idea what his name stands for. But I do know it is a type of drug somtimes mixed with our favorite drug....Marijuana. :D

[THCskunk]

I am using Flora Nova every four days, is that good or bad? What do you guys recommend? I know I said I would post Thursday, but man! They are already looking pretty damn yummy. this is day 30. 4weeks today. according to the books, 5 more and they will be ready! I'll be tasting the crossed strains of this plant on 420 man!:ccc: ............thats if everything goes well.

[Brouli]

they look awesomeeeee :eek: :eek: :eek:

just dont forget about me and share some info what did you cross ??
if you nova tehnique got you this far and that god keep it up my brother

[samiam03]

Is flora nova nutes or is it like superthrive? If they work well for you, maybe ill pick it up cause I still dont know what kinda of nutes i should use. I finally have money tho, so i should be starting my grow soon:D

Ps. your plants look awesome THC

[KADE]

nothing.... is like superthrive. =)

[THCskunk]

thanks guys, Flora Nova is the nutes I am giving them as well as guano-Gro. They now are starting to have that skunk smell to them; 5 more weeks though!

[THCskunk]

skunk time homie.....

[Brouli]

Hi T i did step by step like you wrote but :

i use Ocean Forest as soil

and when i finish i put my box on cable box
if thats bed let me know now
THANK YOU

[THCskunk]

just as long as it does'nt have too much nutes. you'll be fine.

I ordered Master low seeds 100% AF. I talk to the guy who sells them and he is going to reserve me twenty seeds. 10 of which are Afghanryder, and the other ten are LowSnow.



you should join their Forum site, you'll see some wierd stuff in there. Its all very interesting. The people in there grow nothing but Lowryders, they all grow crosses and hybrids. I was reading on the ones I am growing now (LRYDR #2) and let me tell man! Everyone says its tasty tasty! It gives you a sick head high at first and then follows to an active body high.
The original lowryder, that one hardly no one likes, they seems to grow it for the taste and look, it gives you high but not potent like all the other crosses. I think right now the most potent AF strain is LowSnow. It is a 100% AF strain which consists of Snow White and White widow.
Here's the paste of their site found in the site above........

Lowsnow










Out of stock, back in early may.
Growth period :10 weeks from seed to harvest!
Seeds Per Pack : 10
Lowsnow ia a 100% auto flowring strain, a hybrid of Lowryder and Snow White. This strain carries a powerful punch and is with out a doubt one of the strongest Auto Flowering strains to date, Heavy Crystaling is a trade mark of Lowsnow, Trichomes even apear on the males ! The taste and smell of this strain is very similar to Snow white / White widow so is sure to please. Yield is Avarage (15g - 25g under floros per 6" pot) and the plants stay short (12" - 14") Lowsnow is ready to harvest 10 weeks from planting. A instant favourite here in the office.

[Brouli]

i hope you will not forget me man . you know what we talk about few days ago :)

im about go and check that site and tanks i hope my soil dont got too much nutes .
man i got pyst , after i plant my seeds i went to Wally and i saw that soil MG

[Hemp-o Kitty]

Whatever is said about these little riders it doesn't make them less beautiful or interesting to see and grow. I've already made a comment about your lowriders some time ago and I'm going to make another one....They are very cute and I'm thinking of growing some just for the curiosity of watching it grow.
Very well done THCs!! :aok:

[WrEkkED]

does soulseeds send them out stealth?

[DankCloset]

well we'll find out, i order masterlow delux and lowryder 2.1 and lowryder 2 stealth shippin for a stealth grow. crap i hope they come during the weekday, i dont want my girl to find out.... if anything i'll just tell her there bagseed lmfao...

edit: so no one tell her lol

[THCskunk]

Dont worry my freind, they come in basic bubble envolope. If she so happens to open it, she will find a pack of flowers seeds,( or so it seems). these guys will put your beans in flower packets and close it up making it look like it was never opened to put seeds in there. they ship by air so it gets here fast (U.S.). If you join their forum site, you will be the first to try out thier crossed strains before anyone else. Like for example, the Afghanryder says it wil be available in early May, well I am getting them in one week, lowsnow in one month.

[THCskunk]

Whatever is said about these little riders it doesn't make them less beautiful or interesting to see and grow. I've already made a comment about your lowriders some time ago and I'm going to make another one....They are very cute and I'm thinking of growing some just for the curiosity of watching it grow.
Very well done THCs!! :aok:

thanks Hemp kitty. Look forward on seeing your grow.

[THCskunk]

here ya go...going good so far. The third pic is the the plant that got "Fimed" without intentions. thats when the lights fell on top of them, crushing the lil gals. its the plant on the far right hand side. the plant on the far left hand side got no damage, she is growing in one big bud. the one in the back got one big branch snapped off so now its growing really bushy with buds, that one has more buds than all of them, but the one that got fimed, well, that one is gonna be big full with buds. I might do this again to some other plants, but this time with intentions.

[WrEkkED]

so by snapping off a branch, unintentionaly, it grew more buds? (or is starting to)

[DankCloset]

i actually just talked to the owner, i hope he sends me lowsnow and powerplant. thats what i asked for ontop of my other order, so hopefully he can help me out here :D i want the powerplant bad, it looks sooo good.

[BSki8950]

hey brouli and thc .. i just ordered the lowryder # 2 ... im so excited i can hardly sleep .....

[Brouli]

very nice T what lights you keep on them now ??
the third one got top with no intentions thats cool you that will give you the most yaild :) what is your name on theyr forum ??


o yaa i forgot to tell you i move soil a little bit and very gently and i couldnt find 2 out of 3 seeds but they will grow i hope one of the allready sproud a root going down : ) which im very happy about . but we will see of an out come .



PS did you make any one of thosa a seed plant ??

[THCskunk]

I'm using a lower watt cfl- soft white.

Don't