not really sure,,,,they are leaving little bit marks on the leaves(white spots)) I looked under a micro scoop,,they are pink little critters with white legs ,,last time I neemed them I did not get underside of the leaves ...the plants seemed to be recovering and were doing ok ,,but now I see a few spots in my flowing room was not sure if it was ok to neem as they have buds on them ,,,thanks rose will not neem just give them a good misting ,,should that help