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El Niño strain with a 400HPS about 20 inches above. Low humidity temps are around 82 degrees. Noticed yesterday that the edges of my leaves started to curl a little. Heat stress? Low humidity level? Lack of water? What do you think..........here are some pics. Also got one plant with sets of three instead of sets of two.....what´s this all about...a good thing? Normal?

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kindphriend said:
El Niño strain with a 400HPS about 20 inches above. Low humidity temps are around 82 degrees. Noticed yesterday that the edges of my leaves started to curl a little. Heat stress? Low humidity level? Lack of water? What do you think..........here are some pics. Also got one plant with sets of three instead of sets of two.....what´s this all about...a good thing? Normal?

Looks like the beggining of heat stress to me.
 
Also got one plant with sets of three instead of sets of two.....what´s this all about...a good thing? Normal?
"Whorled Phyllotaxy" or "Polyploid"...I think it has been established, that they are basicly genetic freaks/mutations. Though some claim greater yeilds, vigor, potency, ect. The results vary and unpredictable.
I've personally had a cpl whorled phyllotaxy plants. Always males though, and sterile.
note: Whorled phyl' does NOT necessarily determine Polyploidism..

Polyploid plants Cannabis is prone to a genetic condition called polyploidism. Briefly a polyploid plant is one which has a multiple of the usual 2n chromosomes. This is akin to a genetic mutation. In viable plants the results can be "double flowers" or odd shaped "double leaves" and peculiar "doubling" or "tripling" of other characteristics. Modern plant breeders often treat seed or plants with chemicals and processes which encourage the production of polyploid seeds and plants. Nature also produces these plant strains in response to environmental stress. It is common for many plants, including cannabis to have 2, 3 or 4 times the "normal" number of chromosomes. These cultivars have resulted in named varieties, which are really cultivars and not unique species. As a result we have many differently named Cannabis Sativas, masquerading under names like Cannabis Indica, or some other exotic names. A particular cultivar, Redneck Techno does very well in the southern United States. These are merely polyploid sativa or some other cultivar, not a unique species. Asian, European, North and South American as well as pacific island and Australian cannabis are all the same species of plant.

Colchicine is a chemical used to create polyploid plants, by interfering with chromosome migration. This should not be attempted by anyone not familiar with laboratory procedures and safety techniques. The chemical is classified highly toxic. To use the Colchicine, laboratory technicians prepare a pre soaking solution of distilled water with about 0.05 % Colchicine. This will cause many of the seeds to die and not germinate, but the ones that do come up will be polyploid plants. This is the accepted difference between such strains as "Redneck Techno" and normal grass. The first generation plants contain residual chemicals, and can be dangerous if smoked. Subsequent generations will be polyploid plants and not contain any residual mutative chemical. Do not try this at home unless you have received proper supervised training!

heres a c/p on Poly's from Clarks "MJ Botany"..



Polyploidy (favorable traits in Cannabis) has not been shown to occur naturally in Cannabis; however, it may be induced artificially with colchicine treatments. Colchicine is a poisonous compound extracted from the roots of certain Colchicum species; it inhibits chromosome segregation to daughter cells and cell wall formation, resulting in larger than average daughter cells with multiple chromosome sets.

The studies of H. E. Warmke et al. (1942-1944) seem to indicate that colchicine raised drug levels in Cannabis. It is unfortunate that Warmke was unaware of the actual psychoactive ingredients of Cannabis and was therefore unable to extract THC. His crude acetone extract and archaic techniques of bioassay using killifish and small freshwater crustaceans are far from conclusive. He was, however, able to produce both triploid and tetraploid strains of Cannabis with up to twice the potency of dip- bid strains (in their ability to kill small aquatic organisms). The aim of his research was to "produce a strain of hemp with materially reduced marijuana content" and his results indicated that polyploidy raised the potency of Cannabis without any apparent increase in fiber quality or yield.

Warmke's work with polyploids shed light on the nature of sexual determination in Cannabis. He also illustrated that potency is genetically determined by creating a lower potency strain of hemp through selective breeding with low potency parents. More recent research by A. I. Zhatov (1979) with fiber Cannabis showed that some economically valuable traits such as fiber quantity may be improved through polyploidy. Polyploids require more water and are usually more sensitive to changes in environment. Vegetative growth cycles are extended by up to 30-40% in polyploids. An extended vegetative period could delay the flowering of polyploid drug strains and interfere with the formation of floral clusters.

It would be difficult to determine if cannabinoid levels had been raised by polyploidy if polyploid plants were not able to mature fully in the favorable part of the season when cannabinoid production is promoted by plentiful light and warm temperatures. Greenhouses and artificial lighting can be used to extend the season and test polyploid strains. The height of tetraploid (4n) Cannabis in these experiments often exceeded the height of the original diploid plants by 25-30%. Tetraploids were intensely colored, with dark green leaves and stems and a well developed gross phenotype. Increased height and vigorous growth, as a rule, vanish in subsequent generations. Tetraploid plants often revert back to the diploid condition, making it difficult to support tetraploid populations. Frequent tests are performed to determine if ploidy is changing.

Triploid (3n) strains were formed with great difficulty by crossing artificially created tetraploids (4n) with dipbids (2n). Triploids proved to be inferior to both diploids and tetraploids in many cases. De Pasquale et al. (1979) conducted experiments with Cannabis which was treated with 0.25% and 0.50% solutions of colchicine at the primary meristem seven days after generation. Treated plants were slightly taller and possessed slightly larger leaves than the controls, Anoma- lies in leaf growth occurred in 20% and 39%, respectively, of the surviving treated plants. In the first group (0.25%) cannabinoid levels were highest in the plants without anomalies, and in the second group (0.50%) cannabinoid levels were highest in plants with anomalies.

Overall, treated plants showed a 166-250% increase in THC with respect to controls and a decrease of CBD (30-33%) and CBN (39-65%). CBD (cannabidiol) and CBN (cannabinol) are cannabinoids involved in the biosynthesis and degradation of THC. THC levels in the control plants were very low (less than 1%). Possibly colchicine or the resulting polyploidy interferes with cannabinoid biogenesis to favor THC. In treated plants with deformed leaf lamina, 90% of the cells are tetraploid (4n 40) and 10% diploid (2n 20). In treated plants without deformed lamina a few cells are tetraploid and the remainder are triploid or diploid.

The transformation of diploid plants to the tetraploid level inevitably results in the formation of a few plants with an unbalanced set of chromosomes (2n + 1, 2n - 1, etc.). These plants are called aneuploids. Aneuploids are inferior to polyploids in every economic respect. Aneuploid Cannabis is characterized by extremely small seeds. The weight of 1,000 seeds ranges from 7 to 9 grams (1/4 to 1/3 ounce). Under natural conditions diploid plants do not have such small seeds and average 14-19 grams (1/2- 2/3 ounce) per 1,000 (Zhatov 1979). Once again, little emphasis has been placed on the relationship between flower or resin production and polyploidy. Further research to determine the effect of polyploidy on these and other economically valuable traits of Cannabis is needed.

Colchicine is sold by laboratory supply houses, and breeders have used it to induce polyploldy in Cannabis. However, colchicine is poisonous, so special care is exercised by the breeder in any use of it. Many clandestine cultivators have started polyploid strains with colchicine. Except for changes in leaf shape and phyllotaxy, no out- standing characteristics have developed in these strains and potency seems unaffected. However, none of the strains have been examined to determine if they are actually polyploid or if they were merely treated with colchicine to no effect.

Seed treatment is the most effective and safest way to apply colchicine. * In this way, the entire plant growing from a colchicine-treated seed could be polyploid and if any colchicine exists at the end of the growing season the amount would be infinitesimal. Colchicine is nearly always lethal to Cannabis seeds, and in the treatment there is a very fine line between polyploidy and death. In other words, if 100 viable seeds are treated with colchicine and 40 of them germinate it is unlikely that the treatment induced polyploidy in any of the survivors. On the other hand, if 1,000 viable treated seeds give rise to 3 seedlings, the chances are better that they are polyploid since the treatment killed all of the seeds but those three.
 
Could the greenhouse have used colchicine to make the sex of the seeds female? If so then I may have seeds with a large variety even though the seeds are crossed with the correct strains. For example Seed X is a cross of northern lights x power plant. Which is supposed to produce certain characteristics, but if the seeds were treated with colchicine the the characteristics may be different between seeds???
 
I doubt any chemicals are involved. "

"Polyploidy (favorable traits in Cannabis) has not been shown to occur naturally in Cannabis."
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it's likely simply a whorled phyllo'. Relatively uncommon, but they happen occasionally.
Colchicine is nearly always lethal to Cannabis seeds, and in the treatment there is a very fine line between polyploidy and death. In other words, if 100 viable seeds are treated with colchicine and 40 of them germinate it is unlikely that the treatment induced polyploidy in any of the survivors. On the other hand, if 1,000 viable treated seeds give rise to 3 seedlings, the chances are better that they are polyploid since the treatment killed all of the seeds but those three
 
Heat and moisture stress can both cause that... the edges curling..anyways keep the temps low, younger Indi dom plants tend to be heat sensitive.
 

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