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By Jason Szep

BOSTON (Reuters) - It bills itself as the world's "most prestigious college discussion board," giving a glimpse into law school admissions policies, post-graduate social networking and the hiring practices of major law firms.

But the AudoAdmit site, widely used by law students for information on schools and firms, is also known as a venue for racist and sexist remarks and career-damaging rumors.

Now it's at the heart of a defamation lawsuit that legal experts say could test the anonymity of the Internet.

After facing lewd comments and threats by posters, two women at Yale Law School filed a suit on June 8 in U.S. District Court in New Haven, Connecticut, that includes subpoenas for 28 anonymous users of the site, which has generated more than 7 million posts since 2004.

According to court documents, a user on the site named "STANFORDtroll" began a thread in 2005 seeking to warn Yale students about one of the women in the suit, entitled "Stupid ##### to Enter Yale Law." Another threatened to rape and sodomize her, the documents said.

The plaintiff, a respected Stanford University graduate identified only as "Doe I" in the lawsuit, learned of the Internet attack in the summer of 2005 before moving to Yale in Connecticut. The posts gradually became more menacing.

Some posts made false claims about her academic record and urged users to warn law firms, or accused her of bribing Yale officials to gain admission and of forming a lesbian relationship with a Yale administrator, the court papers said.

The plaintiff said she believes the harassing remarks, which lasted nearly two years, cost her an important summer internship. After interviewing with 16 firms, she received only four call-backs and ultimately had zero offers -- a result considered unusual given her qualifications.

Another woman, identified as Doe II, endured similar attacks. The two, who say they suffered substantial "psychological and economic injury," also sued a former manager of the site because he refused to remove disparaging messages. The manager had cited free-speech protections.
LIFTING THE MASK

"The harassment they were subjected to was quite grotesque," said Brian Leiter, a professor at University of Texas Law School. "Any judge who looks at this is going to be really shocked, and particularly shocked because these appear to be law students."

The suit is being watched closely to see if the posters are unmasked, a step that could make anonymous chat room users more circumspect. It also underlines the growing difficulty of protecting reputations online as the Web is used increasingly to screen prospective employees and romantic partners.

"They can't hide behind anonymity while they are saying these scurrilous and menacing things," said Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at the University of California, Los Angeles.

He said the site was not liable under federal protections that are more lenient on Web sites than TV and newspapers. Prosecuting the manager could also be difficult because he did not write the posts, Volokh added. But the anonymous posters look liable and their careers could be jeopardized, he said.

"This ought to be a warning to be people that if you say things that are not just rude but arguably libelous and potentially threatening and perhaps actionable on those grounds then their identity might be unmasked," he said.

Finding and identifying the posters -- including one called "The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah" -- could be tough but is not impossible. The process involves subpoenas issued to Internet Service Providers for records, and then more subpoenas to companies, institutions or people identified on those records.

"I've said in my blog the most vile posters on that board are two subpoenas away from being outed," said Leiter. "This led to much amusement by the anonymous posters on the board.

"But they are about to find out that this is how it works."
 
Viracocha711 said:
The process involves subpoenas issued to Internet Service Providers for records, and then more subpoenas to companies, institutions or people identified on those records.

"I've said in my blog the most vile posters on that board are two subpoenas away from being outed," said Leiter. "This led to much amusement by the anonymous posters on the board.

"But they are about to find out that this is how it works."

First, this is not a "political" post, just the facts. I have read on this forum that the server is in an "mj friendly" country, and elsewhere, Holland specifically. Wouldn't leo love to subpoena the seed sites in Holland, the UK & Canada and get all our mailing addresses? :cop: You betcha.

"Only in America" is not always a good thing, lol. Subpoenas aren't the worst of it. All the fuss about misuse of intelligence agencies here involves lawless, indiscriminate bugging of as yet unknown people for as yet unkown reasons by the FBI, NSA, and the scores of other agencies that BY LAW are not supposed to spy domestically but do. "Warrant, I don't need no stinkin' warrant!" I think that's Cheech & Chong, & they said "badges" but it's more true here now than it was then.

FYI to anyone who's concerned by this, and we all should be, the "National Security Requests" you've heard about the FBI using, well, the head of the FBI used as an example that they were for 'obtaining the identity behind an e-mail address' of "terrorists" (sorry, but lol on that) from the servers hosting the e-mail at that address. In China, where I'm sure things are MUCH WORSE (I don't hate America, really I don't) Microsoft and Google have both "cooperated" with the government by voluntarily turning over imformation on their users. No joke, some of these people are probably dead now.

SO don't do the following:
1. discuss mj in e-mail. E-mail is forever- even if you and the person you send it to delete it, a copy can be retrieved from the server, and as those dead Chinese dissidents learned the hard way, the nasty corporation that owns it might just donate your imformation to the government if it asks nicely.

2. Don't use MS Messenger, chat features in AOL, etc, other websites that you don't know the circumstances of the server hosting.

3. This is a BIG NO: don't take your computer to the shop, or call the Nerds-r-us to come fix your computer, which if, it is like mine, is probably full of stuff you need to keep free of prying eyes. I just saw a "gentlemen" in a town near here get 27 years (he deserved it, was a kiddie porn enthusiast) cuz he took his machine in for repairs. Did you see the can't-shoot-straight-paintball-jihadist losers in New Jersey a few weeks ago? The "national hero" was a tech guy at a shop where they took their dumb videos to be put on DVD.

There are other things, and the security guidelines the mods have already posted here are RIGHT ON. Read them and think before you post, upload, e-mail, save that file, or IM and stay free.

PEACE. :heart:
 
The usa will just come to whatever country they need info from.. force them with restrictions until they give in an arrest whoever they want..

Just look at how they are trying to do in the prince of pot marc emery... USA got all his customer records etc... all they needed to do was lean a bit on the canadian government.. BOOOOOOO LEO...
 
:goodposting: RatherBBurnin, and I mean to do some more research on this, cuz I haven't looked at it in awhile.

In Emery's case, he made a cause celebre of himself- smoking at mj rallies & getting arrested & jailed; he was an activist (that's not bad, just makes being in the seed business risky); he thumbed his nose at the Mounties & gave Canada a red face. :mad:

It took the US years of unrelenting pressure to get Canada to agree to extradite him (don't know if it's even happened yet) & the charges are based on money laundering (racketeering) & conspiracy. That's what they cobble together when they don't have a great direct case. During Prohibition, they used to bring tax evasion charges against rum runners & gangsters in this manner.

Haven't heard of any seed buyers going down on this - by the time the US got it's way with "Mr. MJ," Emery said at the time, he had destroyed all customer imformation. I'm sure the US prosecutors wanted to search him since, let's see, since he was 14...but despite his high profile, they had to wait all those frustrating years.

Other places in Canada have been shut down though, it's on this site. US probably pressures all the time.

If the US had the power it once did, they'd have Canada, Holland, UK etc. serving their nasty warrants on everyone- getting customer imformation from every seed & head shop that shipped to the US. Bongs are illegal in the US- just ask Tommy Chong, who did federal time for selling them there online. LEO here used to park unmarked cars in front of grow shops and tail people who bought rockwool & halide bulbs!

:fid: So sad, but the explosion of e-commerce & the growing hobby would make it tough to do that today.

Anything could happen, but I doubt Holland is going to enforce a US snooping expedition into the records of what is, in that country, a legal & profitable enterprise.
Uncle Sam ain't the economic boss of the world it used to be. :hitchair: Thank goodness or the lovely plants we see here might never have been bred & their seeds scattered all over the world.

What you said RBB- BOOOOO leo! :mad:
 
RIGHT! I do believe I have read many articles that have said Marc Emery got way to cocky! ...And perhaps greedy?

However, I do not know all there is to know about his situation but from what I do know it seems Marc Emery was biting the hand that was protecting him "The Canadian Government".

I think we are safe on this site...? I hope?
 
Marc never bit the hand that protected him... The real reason he went down is because of two things...
1) He embarrassed the drug Czar by asking him for a picture when he was in vancouver.. then when the czar asked what he did..they snapped the pic just as marc told em he was the editor of CC mag.
2) Because marc was anything but greedy.. in the DEA released statement they said that their move was politically motivated.. meaning.. Marc emery has donated millions of dollars from his seed business DIRECTLY to pro-mj causes, medical bills, and defense funds.. They wanted to take him out..because he was one of the few who was giving back... The reason he started his seed company was because of his firm belief that we could OVERGROW the government... We are talking about a man who gave the government $500,000 in taxes on a income tax return that stated he was marijuana seed seller... and a man who owns no cars, no house, lived month to month... no investments...

The only investment marc emery ever made, was a deeply rooted investment in the counter culture.. He has invested his life into making mj legal..... and LEO didnt like it..
 
Its funny because he basically got ratted out by a bunch of grow ops in the usa.. or there was evidence that they bought seeds from him... So now he conspired to grow marijuana... marc didnt step foot in the usa.. but by having overgrow, and selling seeds.. he conspired.... thats weak at best...
My other problem comes with them saying he laundered money... this is where the case is heavy... they basically are charging him with giving money to charities... instead of keeping his money.. he donated it to all the causes they were trying to get rid of.. NORML, mj political parties, legalization demonstrations, anything that was pro-pot was what he donated too... so the DEA figures..you wanna dry up the movement... you dry up the money... take of the guy who is donating millions... far more then any other 1 individual... and you can put a huge dent in the backing of these parties...

It basically has little to nothing to do with selling seeds..and more has to do with promoting legalization of pot...... that idiot in the other thread who said he hopes he gets killed in a us prison or whatever, must be a complete jerk.. or he would understand that marc is prepared to go to the extreme lengths needed ( ie LIFE IN PRISON...LIFE!!!!!!!) to ensure that his message gets out loud and clear... i think he doesnt fear going to the usa.. because that just means there will be soo much more attention to the trial etc.. and i pray by the end of this whole mess, we will see marc emery free......the worse part is.. they are taking two of his employees down also... and those people shouldnt be involved IMHO...
 

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