Drinking too much water

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  1. Jul 24, 2008 #1

    HippyInEngland

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    URINE TEST SETS OFF A DISPUTE AND LANDS A MAN IN JAIL

    BRADENTON - Little Sam Rich was free on bail awaiting sentencing in a drug case when a judge ordered him locked up after a urine test.

    There were trace amounts of cocaine and marijuana in his system, but something else caught the judge's eye and convinced her that Rich had tried to cheat the system: his "abnormal" level of a chemical called creatinine.

    Creatinine is a natural by-product of chemical reactions in muscle. Doctors look at creatinine levels to determine kidney functioning. But creatinine is also carefully watched by the courts as a measure of dilution in a urine sample.

    A person who drinks a lot of water before a urine test will likely show low levels of creatinine, experts say, and in the world of drug courts, an abnormally low level of the chemical is considered a positive drug test.

    "Creatinine is not, of course, an illegal substance," said Rich's attorney, Charles M. Britt III, who urged Circuit Judge Debra Johnes Riva to free Rich from jail at a hearing last week. "There is nothing out there showing he ever did anything wrong. We are basing this all on a lot of assumptions."

    Riva was not moved. Riva said she had to put public safety first and was concerned Rich had been out using drugs while awaiting sentencing. Drug use leads to crime, she said. Riva ordered Rich held in custody until he is sentenced in his drug case this month.

    But Rich likely will not be prosecuted for trying to defraud a urine test -- a misdemeanor -- because there is no solid evidence he tried to cheat. Britt said Rich is a landscaper who naturally drinks lots of water.

    It was not immediately known whether the trace amounts of cocaine and marijuana will be enough to violate his probation in a previous drug case. Riva did not mention the trace amounts in her written order demanding that he be held in custody.

    Prosecution of fake urine cases, or attempts to defraud the system, are rare. In most cases, a person will be hit with violating probation and will not have a whole new criminal case, said William J. High, who heads the Manatee County probation office.

    Over the years, High said, probation officers have seen it all: from fake male genitalia to water tainted yellow by food coloring. Sterile urine is sold on the Internet.

    High recalled a case in which a person used a friend's urine to take a test. That urine came back positive for drugs. The probationer was outraged.

    In one pending case, a Bradenton woman, Latesha Spurlock, was caught in October with a plastic bottle containing urine, Bradenton police say.

    A state probation officer, who was monitoring the urine test, said she was suspicious and ordered Spurlock to stand up. When she did, the bottle dropped to the floor, according to police reports.

    Spurlock, 27, was arrested and jailed.

    The charge of defrauding a test is punishable by up to a year in jail.

    Sal Rizzo, a probation officer for Manatee County, said in court that people who spend money on products to dupe the system are being robbed.

    Water, he said, is the best way to cleanse the body. Rizzo did not encourage probationers to cheat, however.

    Drinking lots of water, Rizzo said, testifying at Rich's hearing, "literally makes it look like they have nothing in them."

    But, in Rich's case, too much water may have aroused suspicion of the courts.

    Britt, the defense attorney, said Rich did not have a chance to dilute his system because he took a drug test immediately after taking a plea deal in his drug case.

    "We're assuming the worst of him, but he's done everything asked of him," Britt said. "That test can mean a whole lot of things. It could mean bad things. It could mean nothing."




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  2. Jul 24, 2008 #2

    Dubbaman

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    Yup i was told by a P.O of mine that it looked suspecious when i was an outdoor painter and had to keep the fluids going strong too never violated my stuff though.
     
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  3. Jul 24, 2008 #3

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    Two points from me
    1. This shows another reason testing should be banned. You go somewhere you've been told to go to take your test. You have a medical issue that is no ones business outside of you and your Doctor. Maybe this guy has a kidney condition. If so, his right to privacy was invaded. Now, because of this he may not be able to get a job because some super tech found an issue with a chemical imbalance.
    2. Anyone that doesn't follow the basic rules of how to beat a test shouldn't even try. I passed a test less than 12 hours after smoking by drinking ton's of water, vitamins, and a little luck. He should have just made sure the color was right. Not too dark, not too light.


    thanks for sharing so others can see what NOT to do.
     
  4. Jul 25, 2008 #4

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    So does that mean that this will be passed on to the Public when going for a Piss test for there job ? Maybe in the near future with the insurance company to keep the liablity down..
    The gov is making a BIGGER Mess of things and when that happens then they WILL Blame the Public some how!!! They always do !
     
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  5. Jul 25, 2008 #5

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    LOL the War on Drugs, what a joke the whole thing is...well there goes water. I agree that the whole system is a mess.
     
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  6. Jul 25, 2008 #6

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  7. Jul 25, 2008 #7

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    the last month i had to report,they tested me,hadn't tested me for 6 monthd prior.the last time,they told me i was dirty for cocaine,never done coke in my life,well not for many yrs.b_____s wanted to pop me.i told them i would pay for a blood test,they refused.got one anyway.but i was released and they were p____d about it.
     
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