I'm sorry Umbra. You probably need a few more days to recover! I am sorry for your loss dude. I was looking forward to seeing the Black Triangle (that was it right?) come to life. I was serious when I posted about a simple automated system. I'm a chitty coder but it can be done. I really do have a book that will guide you into the process but even zipped it says it's to large. It's a picture book Mr. Keef- I've been thinking about going back to buckets and making an RDWC setup, but like you said it uses a lot of nutes. I always followed the Lucas formula. I think aero is cool but those sprayers and foggers scare me. tho I suppose if the roots are in the solution it wouldn't be so bad if there were failure. I like your new plan. It sounds clean. I like the look of the collars. Space agey yet functional. It's so humid here. The dehumidifier should be here soon! maybe today. It isn't hot tho. 64*.