Rose, I found the post. Reading it I was thinking russet mites, lol. Yes Skinner was from PNW. His daughter is a PhD also. I had a professor who was 1 of his students. Sometimes I can be a real SOB, lol. I got together with a bunch of the other students before the 1st class and we agreed to only give the teacher eye contact when he used his hands while speaking. In a short amount of time, he was flailing his arms all over the place while giving his lecture.