Hello, just found this thread, someone up above said that maybe if it was up higher in the list it might be used more often. I would have if I would have seen it, sorry. I am new and posted an inquiry about holding urine in a thermos but no one responded, I guess that is why, so now I introduce myself...what do you want to know about me? I have been a smoker for over 30 years, more dedicated in my earlier years, now I like it for parties and R&R, to me it is better than drinking, and fortunately I am in a position now that I don't have to worry about any testing, but I have friends who do so I hunt info for them since I am very good at finding research. I hope this website will help us out, thanks for whoever reads this...talk later