Best system for SOG?

[fortphoenix]

hey guys I'm new to this forum and I’m trying to start a SOG and i was wondering if any of you guys have any experience in multiple systems with sog? like under perfect conditions what is going to get you the best quality/quantity? I’ve heard aeroponics is the best but what about coco or ebb & flow hydroton? or super soil? I’m open to all suggestions

I’ve also seen aeroponic system like the aquamist thats like aero/dwc, then theres systems like the aeroflo thats like aero/NFT… I’m hoping to hear every ones input, thanks!!

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

I am not a big fan of aero. It is hard to keep the misters from clogging with nutrients running through them all the time and the water pump can raise the temperatures of the res too high.

In the same vein though, I am not a big SOG fan either. I can grow 8 plants that are 1/2 oz each or I can grow one large plant that is 4 oz.--to me there is no contest. Large plants are not more trouble to take care of than small ones. I also like to watch my plant count. Over 25 plants where I live is a mandatory jail sentence, under 25 isn't.

 

[fortphoenix]

I am not a big fan of aero. It is hard to keep the misters from clogging with nutrients running through them all the time and the water pump can raise the temperatures of the res too high.

In the same vein though, I am not a big SOG fan either. I can grow 8 plants that are 1/2 oz each or I can grow one large plant that is 4 oz.--to me there is no contest. Large plants are not more trouble to take care of than small ones. I also like to watch my plant count. Over 25 plants where I live is a mandatory jail sentence, under 25 isn't.

yeah I'm pretty worried about plant count too and thats true, you can get the same amount like that but with aero/sog you can harvest 5 times a year and with big *** plants 3 maybe 4 times a year

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

And harvesting less more times a year is desirable how......?

You can only hurry plants up so much. I do not see you getting 5 harvests a year unless you go 12/12 almost right out of the gate. And that always ends up with poor yields. Doing SOG with no veg period will not result in the same yield. Tiny SOG plants with no veg time can often end up with only 1/4 ounce product at the end. It is important to give plants time to veg and be ready to flower before you stick them into 12/12. Even if you are using clones, you really should give them at least 4 weeks or so rooting and veg time. Then 8-10 weeks flowering.

If you are thinking of this because you believe that it will really up your annual yield, that is not correct. Five little harvests a year is probably not going to give you more end product than 3-4 big harvests....you will probably see less yield with no veg period......but it is a whole lot more work.

Keep in mind that there is no one growing method that is going to far outshine others. Otherwise, everyone would be growing that way. SOG is not some special thing that is going to give you more bud. IMO, this is best for people with very small grows who have little headroom (and who do not care if their plants yield 1/4 ounce).

 

[fortphoenix]

And harvesting less more times a year is desirable how......?

You can only hurry plants up so much. I do not see you getting 5 harvests a year unless you go 12/12 almost right out of the gate. And that always ends up with poor yields. Doing SOG with no veg period will not result in the same yield. Tiny SOG plants with no veg time can often end up with only 1/4 ounce product at the end. It is important to give plants time to veg and be ready to flower before you stick them into 12/12. Even if you are using clones, you really should give them at least 4 weeks or so rooting and veg time. Then 8-10 weeks flowering.

If you are thinking of this because you believe that it will really up your annual yield, that is not correct. Five little harvests a year is probably not going to give you more end product than 3-4 big harvests....you will probably see less yield with no veg period......but it is a whole lot more work.

Keep in mind that there is no one growing method that is going to far outshine others. Otherwise, everyone would be growing that way. SOG is not some special thing that is going to give you more bud. IMO, this is best for people with very small grows who have little headroom (and who do not care if their plants yield 1/4 ounce).

thats true, can't argue with any of that but it just seems like it takes up way less space and you get more gpw with sog. like i saw some journal of a guy doing an aero sog grow on a 3x6 table with 100 plants and 3 600w hps and was pulling i think between 1.5 and 2.5# per table... doing that after vegging for a week after the clones root. you think that'd be possible to do in the same space with a 1 giant dwc bucket/plant in the same area with a trained plant without having to be a grower with 10+ years experience?

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

Just because you "saw some journal of a guy doing sog" and getting those supposed results does not mean that you will too. Also, he can make his yield anything he wants--unless you have a personal relationship with the guy, you really cannot count on the fact that he is telling the truth. almost everyone wants to make their gr4ow more than it is. And is it just about yield to you?

There is no grow method that is going to give you way more yield over other methods. But if you want to take care of 100 plants that is up to you. However, I would never just have 1 giant DWC plant....that does not even make sense. I think that you know that I am talking more than 1 plant versus a hundred.

 

[Hushpuppy]

I totally agree with THG here. I have done it a couple different ways myself and I have found that if you have the vertical space, you are better served to grow the plants bigger as that is their genetic design to do so. I don't know where you saw that journal but I don't believe that person was telling even close to the truth. I use a hybridized hydro setup and can average pull about 20oz (dry weight) out of a 4'x4' tent with 2 600wHPS lights. In my opinion scrog is going to yield the best for the amount of given space, but it takes some experience with both the strains of plants and dialing in the method and the different elements of the grow. I'll be glad to help you get a setup going if you want, just pm me if you want personal help. Or you can stay here in this thread to get other input as well.

 

[justalilcrazy]

I'm with hushpuppy...20 years ago i did the sog method...just doesn't make sense. I'm on my first grow..4x8 scrog 1600w hps...at 5 weeks from flip and results now are better than any sog i did...still have 4-5 weeks to go...only 8 plants about 150 tops goin

 

[Hushpuppy]

That sounds you got it rocking Justalilcrazy. You need to sow us some bud porn we love pics here

 

[fortphoenix]

I totally agree with THG here. I have done it a couple different ways myself and I have found that if you have the vertical space, you are better served to grow the plants bigger as that is their genetic design to do so. I don't know where you saw that journal but I don't believe that person was telling even close to the truth. I use a hybridized hydro setup and can average pull about 20oz (dry weight) out of a 4'x4' tent with 2 600wHPS lights. In my opinion scrog is going to yield the best for the amount of given space, but it takes some experience with both the strains of plants and dialing in the method and the different elements of the grow. I'll be glad to help you get a setup going if you want, just pm me if you want personal help. Or you can stay here in this thread to get other input as well.

thanks for your input but there are plenty of people who say they're pulling 1.5-3# of a 4x4 tray using flood and drain using between 24-36 plants with 1k HPS (sometimes 2-600's) and I've heard of this dozens of times on numerous websites. the only thing that sucks is the difference between 1 plant in a 4x4 and 30 plants in a 4x4 is one is breaking the law and the other isn't (in my state)

 

[Hushpuppy]

While I do stand by my preference of bigger plants versus more, smaller plants, I do have to back up and say that I was wrong about something. I mis-read where you said 1.5-3# from a 3x6 table. I thought it read 3x3 space. I am willing to say that those numbers aren't as far off as I was thinking for a 3x6 table versus a 3x3 space. But it is still my humble opinion that fewer, larger plants will yield more in the short and long run than more, smaller plants in the same space.

I am not the most experienced grower but I have done a variety of grows, one of which was a micro-grow with Blueberry Punch, which is a bud producing indica beast. In that micro-grow, I had a mature clone that was grown in a 1'x1' space, and it grew to 19" tall, and produced 1oz of dry bud. If I was able to reproduce that 18 times(1 plant per sqft in a 3'x6' table) and got 150% success, I would be producing 27oz of dry bud, which isn't shabby at all. But even if I could get that level of success with all 18 plants that is a max yielder, I am still getting less than 2#.

Whereas in my medium performance grows, in a 4x4 space with 4 (not as high yielding hybrid sat/ind)plants, I can still pull ~18oz. (which is what I would've got with 18 of the micro-grow plants).
I don't know if that makes sense or not but that is my reasoning

 

[Gooch]

SOG to me seems like so much extra work, ontop of the tons of work just to get a good crop. Although i do want to try one at some point, I suspect i would veg it for several months in order to get it large enough tomake it worth it, i had this weird idea of having multiple levels of the sog with lights inbetween, tops and bottoms