Thanks Chronic, great convo, very interesting.
New_2_Chronic said:
I see your point on this statement, And I guess it is that right in which this forum was based on and the reason we re all here. Freedom to do what, when, and how you want in the privacy of your own home or faciity should be kept sacred and noone has the right to dictate what a person can and cant do. As long as you are not endangering yourself or anyone else then its sacred,,,,
But Ive yet to see a operation that size not "robbing power" or bringing an unsavory element around.
Thats what MMJ, to me, is all about. Freedom. Legalization. "Don't Tread on me". MJ Prohabition does not work. So, we agree that What you do is your business aside from endangering yurself or others.
The biggest MJ ops do not even use power at all, it's all outdoor in Beloved Humbolt. So why can't Hippy Joe grow his 1000 plants, like they do every year for generations and not fear Prison time.
But, I do see your point in Big Indoor crops. I must say that I too have seen "unsavory" uses of power. But, the main reason power is used like that is to keep the higher usage "off the grid" and avoid detection by LEO.
Folks would GLADLY pay for power if it was legal and had no worries anout LEO and how many, or how big they went.
The "unsavory" element, which I see too, is still a cause of supply and demand. These are all new cats who are in to make a fast buck and mostly fail due to ignorance. But, you have that dumb "gangsta" in most wokplaces today, sad to say.
New_2_Chronic said:
Basicly....IMO...Yes..... someone that supplies herb for money is a Pot dealer. I mean I know there is no way the grower is spending anywhere near the price they charge per ounce to grow it....I can see recovering the costs of growing, and getting some free smoke out of the deal but they are going well beyond that.
Whats fair? The grower is getting FAR less then what the Dispensay is charging patients, that is for sure. But what is mark-up? Most products are marked up 100 to 500%, Herb is less then that. And, as stated, if it wasn't for growers supplying herb to dispensaries, then over 100,000 folks would be back on the street in California alone trying to buy herb from REAL unsavory folks.
Believe me, I do also think the end user price for herb is crazy. I see 65 an eigth in clubs. But I see 15 eights of good outdoor too. Supply and Demand.
New_2_Chronic said:
I thnk the term they used in 215 is what is causing the problems here. They used the term Caregiver, which implies a step beyond what the task actually is.
Standards hmm... how about the Caregiver must be involved in the patients treament beyond just growing and supplying MJ for them. That could be that the "CG" provides or arranges transportation for treatments and appointments.....Could also be that the CG is responsible for picking up prescriptions and delivering them to the patient...The CG should also not be able to profit from the patient. Recovering costs for growing equiptment and nutrients is okay but that should be it. This could be done as a recurring monthly charge for the patient....There should be a limit of plants per patient the CG is responsible for, and it should be closely monitored.....There should also be a limit to the amount of patients per CG....
Your obviously a GREAT guy. I completly understand your argument here.
And yes, a "CG", by definition and commen sense, is a person that really provides care, not herb. But, unfortunaly that term "CG" was exploited for the greater cause , Full Legalization. Isn't that what we are ALL after?
Chronic, wouldn't you like to see Full Legalization. No limits one can have or grow. I know man, it would be CRAZY for a while and everyone would try, but it would "weed" itself out and true growers would prosper and Herb would get better and better.
Maybe I'm crazy man. But I like to smoke herb rather then Drink or do drugs. I have been doing so a long time. I see Beer comercials and drug comercials all the time. Fully accepted. I think MJ should be right there too. No friggin restrictions just like Alcohol gets. Set an age limit and let er rip.