Fusing clones together.....

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While i was growing up a young lad in the country side my father had a special apple tree in the back yard. I say special because this apple produced many different types of apples off of one tree. He bought it from the local nursery and you could look at the main stem and see where cuts had been taken from other apple trees, tapped on to the main stalk of a selected apple tree, with some sort of special tape that eventually disapeared over time. The connections from the cut branches and the main stem was weak when he first planted it but it eventually grew to be really strong at this point. I cant remember then name of this horticulture procedure,..... but im wondering................could MJ under go this same process. I know it would probably be time consuming and difficult but sounds like an intresting way to bread a good mother plant a few generations into this new made up strand.


any opinions or ideas welcomed. Just sittn here :bong: tryin to think creative and spark some ideas
 
It's called grafting and cannabis grafts very easily.

I've had 3 different strains growing on one rootstock and the plants all keep their individual characteristics.
 
yes grafting.how long does this take to hold and what is the procedure?
 
I've heard of people crossing MJ with other weeds, I heard there was one that produced good rope I don't think it was hemp. I also believe an idea was to cross MJ with something called duckweed ( i think ) which doubles in size every 56 hours or something. ill go check my facts
 
This is the article in high times : Duckweed doubles in size every 30 hours. We should engineer it to make THC. Patent no. 6815184 shows how to genetically engineer duckweed. this same effect can be achieved with coca pathways as well as opiate pathways. Yu could also make hashish from duckweed leaf. Graduate students can do this plant engineering work.

and then it goes on to explain a plant that has been crossed with mj but I have that page ripped outa my magazine, dont know if I have it lieing around.
 
For multiple grafts you cut a semi circular groove in the rootstock(on the side of the stem) the width of the scion,which is the plant top and do the same on the scion so both have kinda slots that fit together but making sure you don't cut into the core of the plants and these quickly fuse together and form a strong 'knuckle'.

This is then done further up the plant with more scion additions if wanted.

Within a week you see the joint start to swell and within 4 its healed enough for you to cut the scion root system away and the whole is supported by just the rootstock root system.

It's better explained with diagrams but that's one way of doing it.

You can also take a freshly cut clone the end of which is cut to a tapered point and insert it directly into the top of the rootstock after cutting the rootstock with a slit along its length,about half an inch and taping it tight.

If the rootstock has branches a scion can go on each branch in this manner so several strains grow on one plant just like the other method just mentioned.
 
im so changing my major to horticulture now. that sounds so cool
 
Marijuana Botany

An Advanced Study: The Propagation and Breeding of Distinctive Cannabis

by Robert Connell Clarke

hxxp://www.mellowgold.com/grow/mjbotany-removed/marijuanabotany2.html


Grafting



Grafting of Cannabis is very simple. Several seedlings can be grafted together into one to produce very interesting specimen plants. One procedure starts by planting one seed ling each of several separate strains close together in the same container, placing the stock (root plant) for the cross in the center of the rest. When the seedlings are four weeks old they are ready to be grafted. A diagonal cut is made approximately half-way through the stock stem and one of the scion (shoot) seedlings at the same level. The cut portions are slipped together such that the inner cut surfaces are touching. The joints are held with a fold of cellophane tape. A second scion from an adjacent seedling may be grafted to the stock higher up the stem. After two weeks, the unwanted portions of the grafts are cut away. Eight to twelve weeks are needed to complete the graft, and the plants are maintained in a mild environment at all times. As the graft takes, and the plant begins to grow, the tape falls off.

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Some more pics from these links............:cool:

hxxp://www.gardenscure.com/420/1088357-post14.html

hxxp://www.gardenscure.com/420/1088358-post15.html

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Bud uncle thanks for all the information.
 
This reminds me of that idea I saw somewhere of grafting hops onto an MJ rootstock, supposedly having a plant that looks nothing like MJ but produces THC. (Apparently hops and MJ are close relatives). I've no idea if it works. But I doubt it or we'd all be doing it.
 
leafminer said:
This reminds me of that idea I saw somewhere of grafting hops onto an MJ rootstock, supposedly having a plant that looks nothing like MJ but produces THC. (Apparently hops and MJ are close relatives). I've no idea if it works. But I doubt it or we'd all be doing it.

hxxp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3813845
Grafting

One of the most persistent myths in marijuana lore concerns grafting Cannabis to its closest relative. Humulus, the hops plant of beer-making fame. The myth is that a hops scion (shoot or top portion of the stem) grafted to a marijuana stock (lower stem and root) will contain the active ingredients of marijuana. The beauty of such a graft is that it would be difficult to identify as marijuana and, possible, the plant would not be covered under marijuana statutes. Unfortunately, the myth is false. It is possible to successfully graft Cannabis with Humulus, but the hops portion will not contain any cannabinoids.


In 1975, the research team of Crombie and Crombie grafted hops scions on Cannabis stocks from both hemp and marijuana (Thailand) plants. Cannabis scions were also grafted to hops stocks. In both cases, the Cannabis portion of the graft continued to produce its characteristic amounts of cannabinoids when compared to ungrafted controls, but the hops portions of the grafts contained no cannabinoids. This experiment was well-designed and carried out. Sophisticated methods were used for detecting THC, THCV, CBD, CBC, CBN, and CBG. Yet none of these were detected in the hops portions.


The grafting myth grew out of work by H.E. Warmke, which was carried out for the government during the early 1940's in an attempt to develop hemp strains that would not contain the "undesirable" drug. The testing procedure for the active ingredients was crude. Small animals, such as the water flea Daphnia, were immersed in water with various concentration of acetone extracts from hemp. The strength of the drug was estimated by the number of animals killed in a given period of time. As stated by Warmke, "The Daphnia assay is not specific for the marijuana drug ... once measures any and all toxic substances in hemp (or hop) leaves that are extracted with acetone, whether or not these have specific marijuana activity." Clearly it was other compounds, not cannabinoids, that were detected in these grafting experiments.


Unfortunately, this myth has caused some growers to waste a lot of time and effort in raising a worthless stash of hops leaves. It has also leg growers to some false conclusions about the plant. For instance, if the hops scion contains cannabinoids, the reasonable assumption is that the cannabinoids are being produced in the Cannabis part and translocated to the hops scion, or that the Cannabis root or stem is responsible for producing the cannabinoids precursors.


From this assumption, growers also get the idea that the resin is flowing in the plant. The myth has bolstered the ideas that cutting, splitting, or bending the stem will send the resin up the plant or prevent the resin from going down the plant. As explained in our discussion of resin glands in section 2, these ideas are erroneous. Only a small percentage of the cannabinoids are present in the internal tissues (laticiferous cells) of the plant. Almost all the cannabinoids are contained and manufactured in the resin glands, which cover the outer surfaces of the above-ground plant parts. Cannabinoids remain in the resin glands and are not translocated to other plant parts.


We have heard several claims that leaves from hops grafted on marijuana were psychoactive. Only one such case claimed to be first hand, and we never did see or smoke the material. We doubt these claims. Hops plants do have resin glands similar to those on marijuana, and many of the substances that make up the resin are common to both plants. But of several species and many varieties of hops tested with modern techniques for detecting cannabinoids, no cannabinoids have ever been detected.


The commercially valuable component of hops is lupulin, a mildly psychoactive substance used to make beer. To our knowledge, no other known psychoactive substances has been isolated from hops. But since these grafting claims persist, perhaps pot-heads should take a closer look at the hops plant.


Most growers who have tried grafting Cannabis and Humulus are unsuccessful. Compared to many plants, Cannabis does not take grafts easily. Most of the standard grafting techniques you've probably seen for grafting Cannabis simply don't work. For example, at the University of Mississippi, researchers failed to get one successful graft from the sixty that were attempted between Cannabis and Humulus. A method that works about 40 percent of the time is as follows.

Start the hops plants one to two weeks before the marijuana plants. Plant the seeds within six inches of each other or start them in separate six-inch pots. The plants are ready to graft when the seedling are strong (about five and four weeks respectively) but their stem has not lost their soft texture. Make a diagonal incision about halfway through each stem at approximate the same levels (hops is a vine). Insert the cut portions into each other. Seal the graft with cellulose tape, wound string, or other standard grafting materials. In about two weeks, the graft will have taken. Then cut away the unwanted Cannabis top and the hops bottom to complete the graft. Good luck, but don't expect to get high from the hops leaves. {Smoking any plant's leaves will give a short, slight buzz.}

Warmke, H.E. and Davidson, H. 1944. Polyploidy Investigations. Carnegie Inst. Wash. Yearbook 43:153-155.

Crombie, L., and Crombie, W.M.L. 1975. Cannabinoid Formation in Cannabis sativa Grafted Inter-Racially, and with Two Humulus Species. Phytochem. 14:409-412.

Crombie, L., and Crombie, W.M.L. 1975. Cannabinoid Formation in Cannabis sativa Grafted Inter-Racially, and with Two Humulus Species. Phytochem. 14:409-412.


Fenselau, C., Kelly, S., Salmon, M., and Billets, S. 1976. The Abscence of THC from Hops. Food Socmet. Toxicol. 14(1):35-39.
 
what am i looking at in those pictures... sorry.. in layman ?
 
Yeah I'm actually thinking about trying this as an experiment. Sounds like fun making a multi-strain plant
 
yeah me too. what im wondering is what the plant would be like if you kept cloning it or if you breed it over and over with together fused plants, what kind of clones you would come up with after a couple of generation. Could be something wild
 

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