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[jungle]

as an amature mj grower, and finding my self interested in diferent mj strains and there effects for medicinal purposes, I've been wondering if med. mj ever became legal ect. in the state where I live if there could be a job possibility for me. Scince getting a pc again recently I have been learning some. I've made about 3 attempts to address my questions to different places where med mj is legal and no one has responded back. So I'm wondering where are some good web sights, universities, people ect....even books to help people understand their nitch in this occupational field. The area i'm thinking about is grower, suppier, bud tender, small store owner or work in one, hopefully not to zoned out because of zoning regulations. I hear theres alot of small stores closing now because of new zoning laws. Well to make a long story short I'd like to educate myself in this area in case it becomes legal and I'd be prepared to get started when and if it does. Anyone know what I might be looking for to help me on my way. Just feeling thigs out for now. It be nice to learn of some organizations that are established so when a new state becomes legalm their buisness expands into those states. I'd like to learn of places like this to contact for possible employment if they would need local people when they came into the state. Maybe i'm asking to much here? See what people say.

 

[Hick]

I'm in a mmj state. If I had the opportunity to jump in at the ground level again, "I" would go into the retail end. Concentrating on supplies, soil, lights, nutrients, hydro supplies, ect.

I'm sure you've heard it termed as the "Green Rush", comparing the mmj industry to the 1849 "Gold rush".
In 1848 a man named Samuel Brannon opened a small retail outlet at Sutters Fort selling shovels to the miners. He became Californians FIRST millionaire!...

 

[Thailord]

I'm with Hick, the art of making money, in what I consider to be the next big money business in America, would be in grow equipment, and supplies. As the law opens up, then you can expand into classes for caregivers, and patients, maybe start some consulting on strains directed at specific conditions & diseases, etc...

A quick side note: it is more than just certain strains. I try to work strains for some med patients in my state which isolate specific phenotypes, and terpenes which have proven to be beneficial for specific conditions. Both phenotype & terpenes can be influenced with environmental changes. One thing we must all remember is that phenotypes are 50% environment, and 50% genetics, therefore they can be manipulated, and influenced through environmental changes. Just something to think about. I love growing, but teaching people how to become better growers, and sway their interests towards breeding for their own taste would be far more rewarding to me b/c it will expand insight and evolve the species of drug type cannabis.

 

[The Hemp Goddess]

I have also found that the same strain (actually bud from the same plant) can have quite different effects on different people.

 

[tcbud]

Hick....Sutter would be amazed at our new "Gold Rush" here in California. I wonder if the price of Gold back then was affected like the price of MJ has been affected here. Everyone and their Mother grew something last outdoor season and even established growers are wishing they had taken the low offers that they got last fall. So many of the people I know are sitting on all of the crop and last year they wished they had asked a higher price. The price keeps falling at the growers level and staying the same at the retail level. Someone in the middle is making a huge amount of money right now.

Our County is fighting the Zoning fight and the Zoners are winning with emergency rulings against multiple recommendation growers to not at all on parcels under 30 acres. A lot of folks are feeling the pressure that come here to grow then leave. Locals are not happy either. The Gold Rush is getting down right serious around here. You can not open a dispensary here either due to "emergency moratorium". Our number one cash crop is MJ and the county needs to find a way to cash in on it too. They wont be happy till they do. And most of the "locals" wont be happy no matter what happens.

I would recommend to the author of this thread to read read and read some more. There are many strains that have been developed to help the medical MJ patient. Then there are us that have been smoking all our lives and just like to get high and get a recommendation anyway (Of course there are valid reasons we like to get high, it makes me feel better is my fave.).

 

[jungle]

This is sort of what I've been hoping find out about. The sugestion of getting into the retail end is great. and as the laws open up then one can expand into the other fields. Didn't know the goldrush thing. Interesting thought.

Thailord; your getting really specific about what your working to acomplish with the phenotypes and terpenes. directed at specific illneses. And to be a better grower one needs to do this to keep the phen. and terps. consistant. I've read that there are teaching jobs in this Ind.
HempG. good point also about the different effects the same bud can have on diferent people, there has to be some trial and era.
TCbud thanks.....good points...just getting high has some advantages. Because the plant in itself fights cancers ect ect....so it could be a premaintenance drug.....I was taking a medication for 15 years, and recently due to displacement (temp) funds became low and I got off of it.......it was sort of a bad month....but the other day i was reading like you say to do and i came across a health problem that can be directly the result of taking this type of medication. The condition developes once people get off of it.....but what i learned was mj is good for the problem. To me the reasons seem to be a little more legit when there is something beyond premaintanance as to why we want to smoke it. A good escape from reality can be good for us to. Yeah I don't know if it will be anything i will ever do, but It's interesting and it goes along with my hobby. this was great.

 

[Hick]

Hick....Sutter would be amazed at our new "Gold Rush" here in California. I wonder if the price of Gold back then was affected like the price of MJ has been affected here. Everyone and their Mother grew something last outdoor season and even established growers are wishing they had taken the low offers that they got last fall. So many of the people I know are sitting on all of the crop and last year they wished they had asked a higher price. The price keeps falling at the growers level and staying the same at the retail level. Someone in the middle is making a huge amount of money right now.

Our County is fighting the Zoning fight and the Zoners are winning with emergency rulings against multiple recommendation growers to not at all on parcels under 30 acres. A lot of folks are feeling the pressure that come here to grow then leave. Locals are not happy either. The Gold Rush is getting down right serious around here. You can not open a dispensary here either due to "emergency moratorium". Our number one cash crop is MJ and the county needs to find a way to cash in on it too. They wont be happy till they do. And most of the "locals" wont be happy no matter what happens.

I would recommend to the author of this thread to read read and read some more. There are many strains that have been developed to help the medical MJ patient. Then there are us that have been smoking all our lives and just like to get high and get a recommendation anyway (Of course there are valid reasons we like to get high, it makes me feel better is my fave.).

I see a lot of those same effects here tc. "everybody"... grew a few outdoors last year....

 

[BBFan]

Hick....Sutter would be amazed at our new "Gold Rush" here in California. I wonder if the price of Gold back then was affected like the price of MJ has been affected here. Everyone and their Mother grew something last outdoor season and even established growers are wishing they had taken the low offers that they got last fall. So many of the people I know are sitting on all of the crop and last year they wished they had asked a higher price. The price keeps falling at the growers level and staying the same at the retail level. Someone in the middle is making a huge amount of money right now.

Our County is fighting the Zoning fight and the Zoners are winning with emergency rulings against multiple recommendation growers to not at all on parcels under 30 acres. A lot of folks are feeling the pressure that come here to grow then leave. Locals are not happy either. The Gold Rush is getting down right serious around here. You can not open a dispensary here either due to "emergency moratorium". Our number one cash crop is MJ and the county needs to find a way to cash in on it too. They wont be happy till they do. And most of the "locals" wont be happy no matter what happens.

I would recommend to the author of this thread to read read and read some more. There are many strains that have been developed to help the medical MJ patient. Then there are us that have been smoking all our lives and just like to get high and get a recommendation anyway (Of course there are valid reasons we like to get high, it makes me feel better is my fave.).

tcbud-
Thank you for a very enlightening post. Really an eye opener for the rest of us (at least in US).

Your single post has given me a better perspective than all the documentaries / news reports I've seen on the subject.

If I had the opportunity to jump in at the ground level again, "I" would go into the retail end. Concentrating on supplies, soil, lights, nutrients, hydro supplies, ect.

That is some great advice Hick- Thanks.

 

[NorCalHal]

Hick....Sutter would be amazed at our new "Gold Rush" here in California. I wonder if the price of Gold back then was affected like the price of MJ has been affected here. Everyone and their Mother grew something last outdoor season and even established growers are wishing they had taken the low offers that they got last fall. So many of the people I know are sitting on all of the crop and last year they wished they had asked a higher price. The price keeps falling at the growers level and staying the same at the retail level. Someone in the middle is making a huge amount of money right now.

tcbud touched on a subject that is frustrating to say the least. The MMJ Broker, aka leach.

I too have been involved in the scene since the start, and this year is by far the worst. The influx of new growers compounded by the record outdoor crops lasy year, prices of herb is at a all time low.
In comes the Broker. Don't get pulled in tcbud by the charm and promises of the broker. All these cats do is buy your herb for next to nothing and then turn around and flip it at all the dispensaries from Sac to Dago, for a HUGE profit.
I feel sorry for the oldtimers out there for sure, but I too am an oldtimer, and you wither have to step up to the plate, or quit the game. Networking is the KEY. Spend the $2000 in Gas and go to ALL the dispensaries yourself, don't use brokers. Once you get a couple of dispensaries on lock tc, your confidence will be GREATLY boosted. And if your going to broker your herb, then do it thru a dispensary. I have had my fair share of arguments with the brokers, let me tell you, but I enjoy it. They are not growers, they are str8 folks that just have established connections with clubs. They can easily be bypassed.
Take the outdoor to the LA area tcbud, you will be happy. They are looking.......and they would rather deal with a grower then a broker, beleive that.


Gone are the days of <2000 a p for outdoor, it's sad.

 

[tcbud]

Jungle, Premaintenance I like that term, never heard it before but like it. I guess that would be like preventative maintenance done in factories or cars.

I can hear it now, "Doc/officer, I need to smoke pot just in case I might get cancer in 2020".

I agree Hal, going to the despensary is the way to go. Brokers/middle man/leach are notorious for getting the most for least. Like I said, many who I know said no to them in the fall after harvest and still sit on their crop. I guess that trip would be a good idea for someone to do. I think I am going to SF in June, maybe I will look in there at a despensary and see what is up myself.

Hick, I too agree with you, the hydro stores near me always have people in them every time I go into one. That has got to be a good money making business.

BB, I dont know if it was enlightening, but Hal is right the day of the right price is gone. Now, between zoning and county ordinances we will see, yep, we will see who grows next year. Some of the NON growers are very happy bout the low prices....lol. As long as a man wants to get high and cant grow, he will buy.

So, is there gonna be a bud pic of the year this year?

 

[Irish]

tc, still fighting zoning laws and moratoriums? there is alot of unacceptance it seems still. it kinda puts things into perspective for my states battles. we've only been legal two years, and my county is on thier third, 6 month moratorium. mj pros are chomping at the bit here right now for a law to be written.

these moratoriums will surely be a waiting game anywhere mj becomes 'legal'. several larger counties opted to not recognize the law, and refuse any mmj buisness at all, and the pros are suing these counties now.

so jungle, even when your state does become legal, there will still be tons of work to be done in the courts before any sort of buisness will be allowed. years possibly.

i watched places open for retail sales, only to be forced to close shop while the county elects sat on thier thumbs in a 'wait and see pattern'. they all want the fed to explain it in black and white to them, knowing fairly well exactly what fed law states. this is where a moratorium comes into play.

so you can begin also, by educating your elected officials with mmj material, phone calls to see what thier stand is on the matter, that sorta thing. (and if they dont want to reform to state law, vote thier butts out)!:doh:

peace...

 

[OGKushman]

I have also found that the same strain (actually bud from the same plant) can have quite different effects on different people.

this :holysheep:


and yes in california during the gold rush, gold was used in gram and ounce form for trading. A shovel cost upwards of 3 ounces....equivalent to 3500$ today. (not accounting for inflation or stagnation)



Top price for an oz "allocating" is 250$ oz.....CHEAP


edit:

hXXp://www.ports.parks.ca.gov/pages/22922/files/worksheet-goldrushprices.pdf

(2007 gold was ~650$ oz)

 

[OGKushman]

now you got me started on this touchy subject too. im right there with you down here from SoCal.

OGKushman Says:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:27 am
For anyone interested, I am trying desperately to get this special medication to SoCal dispensaries. I have spent numerous days, countless gallons of gas, and given away too many free samples to collectives to even ponder on. I am finding that it is becoming increasingly harder for a small scale cultivator to allocate any honestly good indoor medicinal quality marijuana to clinics these days as most have turned private, or to extremely cheaper grown &#8220;outdoor&#8221; types of marijuana.

I am finding that 99% of clinics I have visited tells me their main concern is I cannot provide them with enough medication. Every place has told me that they only like to &#8220;consign&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;pounds or more&#8221;&#8230;!

As far as I know, 8 ounces it the limit that I can possess&#8230;to boot, Edison electric and Discount Hydroponics don&#8217;t exactly consign me nutrients do they?! I am not looking to get rich here. I&#8217;m just trying to break even for my own medicinal needs. I have gone so far as to offer this one of a kind (now tested 18.22% THC) for 225-250$ an oz, and still am getting more gripe from clinic owners then I could have ever imagined.

For anyone who cares, im trying nearly everyday &#8211; this is my passion&#8230;

-OGKushman

hXXp://freeculturemag.com/2010/11/reviews/lemon-skunk-x-og-18/2560

 

[Hick]

ogk'... I have a couple shovels with broken handles that I can give you "cheap".....:ignore:

 

[Thailord]

now you got me started on this touchy subject too. im right there with you down here from SoCal.




hXXp://freeculturemag.com/2010/11/reviews/lemon-skunk-x-og-18/2560

You are so correct, and your frustration is also something I am feeling at this point in time. When I go into a dispensary and they cannot even tell me if a strain is indica or sativa...***? They consign growers who put any attractive name on their product when it is just some bargain basement "dutchified" genetics. Many have no idea what specific strain works best for a condition, or the person themselves. They may claim they do, but when put in a corner with questions it is obvious they have no idea.

I have worked hard on the strains I produce, and know the exact lineages right down to the lineages of the strain that were used to produce my strains. I also isolate phenotypes and certain therapuetic terpenes which have shown to be beneficial in various conditions and diseases.

OGK, you seem to be inline with what is needed in the medical MJ movement, only it is falling on the deaf ears of profiteers, as is mine.

My goal is to start a fully self sufficient dispensary which educates it's staff, and offers consultation with patients for what works best for them. Furthermore, I would work to isolate various terpenes and phenotypes to better suit their needs.

To do this, it takes alot of money, some lobbying with state Gov't, and a compassionate community to get started in. Then you still have the Feds to worry about. I'm hoping someday, maybe someday my breeding work will benefit others in the ways it benefits me. But for now, I'm like you OGK, constantly striving and improving my grows and strains, and putting in serious leg work and online work to open some form of opportunity for myself, my son, and other like minded people.

 

[jungle]

As far as sending e mails or calling elected officials, won't they have the cops come to your door if it's not legal yet. Won't the elected official say hey look heres a list of promarijuana people. What more do you need to go bust some people. I was sent something in the mail that was telling me to let my vote Voice) be heard, but it seems kinda scary espeacially if you have weed on hand in your home. Any one had any problems just from simple emails or phone calls to elected officials form the law that they never had before?

 

[Thailord]

If you are a legal card holder, and growing within the limits of the law, there is really nothing they can do unless they send the Feds in. 12 plants is not something the Feds are really in when the Federal Sentencing Guidelines for cultivation of 12 plants is an offense level 10, which in my case would be 12-14 months, 6 of which would be in a community center(A.K.A. Halfway House).

I think the negative press of busting some-one who is a legal card holder in the state they reside, as well as the costs of trial, incarceration, etc... I know, here comes the "I know a friend who had a friend" type posts.... I did 30 days shy of 11 yrs for growing back in the 80's, before med laws, before guidelines amendments, and before medical use was getting alot of media attention. I research, and read every amendment, every new change in the Congressional Sentencing Guidelines, and any Supreme Court decisions which may have an effect on any law changes, and/or amendments.

I personally document how much I harvest, what goes to other legal patients, and any cuts or seeds I may sell to any patients. Everything is within the law as it is written. If you live in a legal med state, research is your best friend. Know the state law, and research and study Federal law, so you know that fine line of between State and Federal laws.

Presently in my State, the only people busted by the Feds were growing either over 100 plants, or were operating outside of the State law. Either way, that was their mistake. In my state, documentation is everything in a court of law for legal card holders. If the proper documentation is not kept, and the rules are not followed, then whos fault is it? I mean really now.

 

[umbra]

My state has the worst mmj laws...haven't even gone into effect yet and the law was passed more than a year ago. Gov changed the laws and no one wants any part of it. The legal mmj will be shwag with a max thc of 10%. The idea of specific strains to treat specific problems is not even a consideration for my state. Its just a joke...just pretending to care about sick people.

 

[Thailord]

I followed that law. It is a joke, 10%, basically it is limiting the quality of meds a patient can grow, and/or recieve. 15% would have been more reasonable, or at the very least acceptable. Sounds like your State's Governor has some pharmacuetical Companies in his/her pocket.

 

[NorCalHal]

You are so correct, and your frustration is also something I am feeling at this point in time. When I go into a dispensary and they cannot even tell me if a strain is indica or sativa...***? They consign growers who put any attractive name on their product when it is just some bargain basement "dutchified" genetics. Many have no idea what specific strain works best for a condition, or the person themselves. They may claim they do, but when put in a corner with questions it is obvious they have no idea.

You have to be realistic and understand that most folks who have thier MMJ card are not fighting a serious Illness, and just want a bag of herb.
"Medicalizing" (is that a word???) Marijuana was/is just a step twords full legalization.