i was forced into a late start last year..i used a feild on someones farm,they had not used/cultivated that portion of land for a few years,lol,because they have been letting the soil "rest",me being an idiot non-farmer,i had never heard of such a thing,well,i guess last year was the year for them to put that feild back into the mix,i went to check on them to see the whole field tilled under,after a few days of crying like a 12 yo girl at a justin timberlake concert,i decided to germ some bagseed,i did,put them in 12 ounce cups for 2 weeks in soil,transplanted them outside directly into the ground(july 7th!!17 total spread out over a 600 yard area)..i know it sounds crazy,but it actually worked out 10x better then i expected,they stayed really short,i was lucky enough to get 11 females out of 17 seeds..none got taller then 3.5-4 feet,so i was glad i started 17..also,starting so late..i could not afford to top any,just let them grow like little xmas trees..i could not afford to set them back even a few days