The Flower Room Design

[diablo_cannabis]

Ok, so after some research and gathering info from the web and HATCH, I have decided upon an Aero setup. I call it the Aero126, each unit should be able to handle 126 plants, which I think best utilizes the space I am working with. I will build two of these systems in the next few days. I will try to keep good photos of everything. But for now here are some plans I drew up in Solid Works. The first pic shows the completed unit, the second shows how I will attach the Drain Pipe to the Grow Pipes.

-The overall dimensions are 122" x 110"
-Materials:
- 20 - 4" x 120" Black Lined PVC Pipe
- 2 - 4" 90 Degree PVC Elbow
- 29 - 4" PVC Cap (9 cut in half)
- 252 - 3.75" Net Cups
- 234 - 360 Degree Sprayers
- 36 - 90 Degree Sprayers

Any input or opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks

D_C

 

[diablo_cannabis]

These pictures show how the two units will fit in my rooms.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

Thanks for shareing ...this will be fun to watch..you say 126 plants ..will these be clones or seed?

 

[diablo_cannabis]

Thanks for shareing ...this will be fun to watch..you say 126 plants ..will these be clones or seed?

Yes 126 Plants per system and I will be running two systems so 252 plants total.

I will be using clones.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

these are for flower only? or will you be vegging at all? I know nothing of areo growing sorry...

 

[diablo_cannabis]

these are for flower only? or will you be vegging at all? I know nothing of areo growing sorry...

Sorry, I didn't know that much either till a few days ago but with some help from HATCh and reading a bunch of other posts and other web sites I understand now.

I have two separate grow closets (the respective closets in each room) one is 4' x 2' x 8' the other is 8' x 2' x 8'. The smaller one will house all my mothers a total of 24 of four different strains. The larger closet will house all the clones. I'll be able to fit about 400 clones in there.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

wow...holly crap!!!! 400 clones..Have you grown b4? or is this the first time grow too? This is cool man..any more pics of the rooms?

 

[INTHEDES]

tight,keep us posted

 

[diablo_cannabis]

wow...holly crap!!!! 400 clones..Have you grown b4? or is this the first time grow too? This is cool man..any more pics of the rooms?

This is my first grow. A buddy of mine grows medicinally in soil, far from here, and he gave a bunch of tips and few seeds to get started, plus I bought some more seeds from hemp-depot.com (which actually just came in today). As for my rooms, right now all I have done to my rooms is the plastic and mylar on the walls, and my veg closets going with the seeds, about 3 weeks in. I have my lights on the way ( 8 - 600W HPS each with a 4' parabolic reflector and digital ballast.)

I will post more pics up as I build my AERO126 and finish up the rooms.

 

[4u2sm0ke]

okay just subscribed...Take care and be safe..:watchplant:

 

[BuddyLuv]

You are going to need a hell of a pump and two massive resevoirs for this. Why not break down and buy an Aerojet 12 or 16, or even two AeroFlo2 60 site units? You will probably spend more money on parts and plumbing then just buying the unit already fabbed up. Also the units have proven results versus something a mad scientist drew up in his lab. You will need to align drainage, build injection manifolds, buy pumps, emitters, tons of PVC, make sure everything is sealed for leaks and pressure. I say just buy it already made up. Oh and 8 600w ballast will not cover this size canopy. You would need 8 1000w ballasts. Trust me I know alot about aero, I have two 24 site tables and 4 1000w lights are not enough, I just bought more.

 

[Lemmongrass]

:holysheep: *makes some popcorn*


looks awesome. also, i had been wondering if i was the only one that molded everything for my grow before i make it. lol

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

This is a really nice set up diablo I have been thinking about what kind of set up I want to do for my next grow. I had my hart set on DWC but with the cost of all the buckets, lids for buckets, and air stones is just to much for 12 of reach buckets, lids, and air stones is just under $200 :doh: Am not shure how much the cost of the PVC, but one thing I thought of tonight and found your post not 10 min later is for $200 you can have way more then 12 plants going at once

Buddyluv, the Aerojets are kind of a lot of money. A 60 pot one is like $900 or more. Am shure PVC runs a lot cheaper then say $10 a ft A can of PVC glue will do more then enough, probley can make 20 more of this set up he has here.

Am not going to do as many, but do a good amount.

The only thing I see that you are going to run into is 24 mothers in a room thats 4'x2'x8' thats not going to work out. Sorry you may not want to hear that, but thats just not possible. To get that many clones, each mother is going to need to at least 2 months old and a plant thats 2 months old, yea is not small. Really depending on the strain.

For your lighting, being that your rooms are small a 400w MH and 400w HPS should be fine.

400w Metal Halide = 36,000 lumens

You want 5k lumens pre sq ft So 4x2-8 8/36,000= 4,500 Just enough

400w High Pressure Sodium = 45,000 lumens 8x2=16 16/45,000= 2812
So your going to need another HPS or just get a 1000w

To save $8 a month LOL should just get two 400w HPS. Thats 5624 lumens pre sq ft. Thats more then the sun

Hope this hepls out a little bit. Ill be watching sence am going to be doing the same thing

Oh yea I forgot one thing. You can get good water pumps at Sears for like $120 that are 2000gph and have a 5 year warrenty

 

[BuddyLuv]

A 700 gph mag drive is going to run you $120 easy (he is going to need a 1200 gph so lets say $199), then they include the net pots (120@$1.75 ea.), emitters (200@$.50 ea.), resevoir ($60-80), stand (DIY ?), trays (DIY ?), in-line filter ($30), etc... I am just saying this is his first grow. If you build the system yourself you are putting yourself into the equation. I just think it is better to keep yourself out of the equation till you get a firm grasp on what it truely takes to grow quality smoke. Just my $.02

... by the way with the above said neccessities I listed at the going online rate you are at $619. That is without the price of the plastics, tubing, and other misc. stuff. Do you see where I am coming from now. $900 doesn't look so bad when you will not have to do any of the work.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Yea its going to cost a lot no matter what on this size of an opperation
The pump I know it costs $120 or less I there But puting it together is fun lol well to me it is. A good place to get net pots is hydroponics.net. They have a bag of 100 3.75 for $28.95 and there are a good company. I have orderd from them a few times. They are fast, descreet, and you even get to type where you would like it placed if you are not home and they cut and tape it to the top of the box I think that is real nice. I had UPS put it in a storage unit I had in my drive way.

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

400 clones for your first grow? I wish you good luck, but that seems pretty overwhelming. That's way out of my league, and I am not a first-timer.

 

[Waspfire]

You want 5k lumens pre sq ft So 4x2-8 8/36,000= 4,500 Just enough

400w High Pressure Sodium = 45,000 lumens 8x2=16 16/45,000= 2812
So your going to need another HPS or just get a 1000w

To save $8 a month LOL should just get two 400w HPS. Thats 5624 lumens pre sq ft. Thats more then the sun

Hope this hepls out a little bit. Ill be watching sence am going to be doing the same thing

so 2 400 hps are more powerful then the sun? :holysheep: i would like to know where i can find more info on this so if u can plz send me a link or adreses to where i can find more about 2 400 hps being stronger then the sun curious now

Also great lookign set up diablo cant wait to see it in action

 

[diablo_cannabis]

You are going to need a hell of a pump and two massive resevoirs for this. Why not break down and buy an Aerojet 12 or 16, or even two AeroFlo2 60 site units? You will probably spend more money on parts and plumbing then just buying the unit already fabbed up. Also the units have proven results versus something a mad scientist drew up in his lab. You will need to align drainage, build injection manifolds, buy pumps, emitters, tons of PVC, make sure everything is sealed for leaks and pressure. I say just buy it already made up. Oh and 8 600w ballast will not cover this size canopy. You would need 8 1000w ballasts. Trust me I know alot about aero, I have two 24 site tables and 4 1000w lights are not enough, I just bought more.

Yes, other AERO systems are proven, however, the system i designed is based on the same concept. I am not re-inventing the wheel, just putting four wheels on to make it go.

What pressure are you talking about? The system is AERO/NFT which means that the pump will spray water/nute mix directly onto the roots for 1 minute every 5 minutes 24/7 (exact time was researched from another site). at the same time the water is spraying it is running out the 4"pvc and back into the reservoir, it recirculates. there is no need for a reservoir larger than 55-60 gallons when the total amount of water out at any given time is less than 40 gal for both systems.

ok, here is the run down.
the price of an AEROFLO2 60 site is $983.00 + 230.00 S/H = $1213.00 American

now consider the system I am building. DIABLOFLO :hubba: 126 site attached below. $426.48 and no shipping! and its twice the size. i got the idea from http://www.astrogrow.com/photo_gallery.htm

and my bad, the lights are 1000W

A 700 gph mag drive is going to run you $120 easy (he is going to need a 1200 gph so lets say $199), then they include the net pots (120@$1.75 ea.), emitters (200@$.50 ea.), resevoir ($60-80), stand (DIY ?), trays (DIY ?), in-line filter ($30), etc... I am just saying this is his first grow. If you build the system yourself you are putting yourself into the equation. I just think it is better to keep yourself out of the equation till you get a firm grasp on what it truely takes to grow quality smoke. Just my $.02

... by the way with the above said neccessities I listed at the going online rate you are at $619. That is without the price of the plastics, tubing, and other misc. stuff. Do you see where I am coming from now. $900 doesn't look so bad when you will not have to do any of the work.

yes this is my first grow, on my own. as for building the system i fail to see how putting myself in the equation will hinder this particular process. The system i have drawn up is absolutely nothing spectacular anyone could do it and have it be successful. I have also calculated my flow rates and required psi for the EZ clone sprayers and 300gph is plenty. I am running the 1200 because it will service both rooms.

well i think $900 is bad especially when it would actually come out to $2400 to buy a system with the capacity of mine. as for doing the work, i actually enjoy building things.


thanks

View attachment Cost for one 126 Site Unit.doc

 

[diablo_cannabis]

:holysheep: *makes some popcorn*


looks awesome. also, i had been wondering if i was the only one that molded everything for my grow before i make it. lol

lol i model everything! i guess its just what engineers do.

 

[diablo_cannabis]

This is a really nice set up diablo I have been thinking about what kind of set up I want to do for my next grow. I had my hart set on DWC but with the cost of all the buckets, lids for buckets, and air stones is just to much for 12 of reach buckets, lids, and air stones is just under $200 Am not shure how much the cost of the PVC, but one thing I thought of tonight and found your post not 10 min later is for $200 you can have way more then 12 plants going at once

Buddyluv, the Aerojets are kind of a lot of money. A 60 pot one is like $900 or more. Am shure PVC runs a lot cheaper then say $10 a ft A can of PVC glue will do more then enough, probley can make 20 more of this set up he has here.

Am not going to do as many, but do a good amount.

The only thing I see that you are going to run into is 24 mothers in a room thats 4'x2'x8' thats not going to work out. Sorry you may not want to hear that, but thats just not possible. To get that many clones, each mother is going to need to at least 2 months old and a plant thats 2 months old, yea is not small. Really depending on the strain.

For your lighting, being that your rooms are small a 400w MH and 400w HPS should be fine.

400w Metal Halide = 36,000 lumens

You want 5k lumens pre sq ft So 4x2-8 8/36,000= 4,500 Just enough

400w High Pressure Sodium = 45,000 lumens 8x2=16 16/45,000= 2812
So your going to need another HPS or just get a 1000w

To save $8 a month LOL should just get two 400w HPS. Thats 5624 lumens pre sq ft. Thats more then the sun

Hope this hepls out a little bit. Ill be watching sence am going to be doing the same thing

Oh yea I forgot one thing. You can get good water pumps at Sears for like $120 that are 2000gph and have a 5 year warrenty

Yeah i thought about DWC also, but the cost of buckets, lids, grow media etc. the price started climbing, i still haven't received the completed calculations from NASA yet. also drainage became an issue for me cause then i would have to elevate the buckets either higher than my reservoir or set up a sub-res and pump it back into the main res.

i did a rundown of the cost to build my system attached above in another post.

i actually have also been working on turning the master bathroom into the mother room, there i will be able to fit them all. Using shop flouro's have been working great for veg state, no need to waste money on electricity especially for 18hours

i get my pumps from grainger.com i have a business acct with them so i get a decent discount from time to time.

thanks