NorCalHal said:
ross said:
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skallie said:
thedonofchronic said::rofl: hahah just came in from smoking some reeeal good cheese, first thread i went to read that awesome.
cheese has actually become my faveourite smoke
JBonez said:Jbonez -Bold
Skallie- standard text
Ok i was making the assumption your growing environment was correct obviously this is the most important thing in growing and until the environment is pretty much spot on you will not get optimum results.
We agree on something! lets see what else we share as common knowledge, continue....
As for my theory it is factual his environment has been dialed in to perfection for about 6 years now with little or no change to nutrients used apart from the additives/boosteres named above.
Has he been growing the same strain for six years? this would negate your point if not.
yes my mate is me and yes i have
Cervantes book crap ok i may have gone overboard but if i had it to hand i could dismiss many of his statements.
Again, i fully agree, the man can grow, and he uses alot of "fluff" imo, i just found his book to be informative, yet rather contradictive. Ive read more than you would believe, not just referencing one book and i can provide you with my source material if you like.
why i know it all now:hubba:
Quit posting sorry but what gives you the right to question what i state just because you happen to disagree with my comments.
This was a little rash of me, i assumed you were new as you left out certain information, this in effect made its seem you lacked experience, which is clearly not the case.
Oh sorry i wasnt aware you had been growing for 7 months.
Yeppers, well, maybe 8 by now, lol. But time is of no relavance, you should know this. There are growers on here that have been growing longer than me and cant quite seems to get it imo.
your on track with your groing thats for sure jbonez
A ph meter in soil is not necessity when starting out again im making the assumption people just water until the available nutes are all used up in the soil.
Thanks for clarifying that but YOUR statement contradicts itself.
Your statement Verbatim
"Ok ill say my bit soil is easier to the beginner firstly ph is buffered so one can do without the cf or ph meters and just follow nute doses on bottle."
And my rebuttle
Follow nute doses on the bottle? Does that work in fantasy island?
ok again i left out vital info i used ionic nutes during my 1st ventures into growing and i now know it happens to be way lower what they state on the label to get the required cf so following these doses will do no harm imho as its below the required strength
Soil will buffer ph if its too high or too low-you clearly do not know much about growing if you beg to differ.
I dont beg to differ, but the nutrient accumulation in my plants rootball, causing the ph to be significantly lower would.
flushing would be beneficial but im at a loss as to how you measure rootball ph:holysheep:
Sure, soil, depending on brand, could be a buffer, if the water ph was at most 6.2, and the soil was a perfect 7.0 and no nutes. The only result of these two ph differences that could happen are still in the range for maximum uptake, you cant argue this.
sure cant man
How does your tds meter know the make up of what is in your res when you have topped up... it may well show as the correct tds but the fact it may be 50% too much of one mineral which wasnt used up by the plants prior to the topping up therefore we now move onto the stage of lockout through too much of one or more minerals.
You make an extremely valid point, and let me explain why it can and apparently does work.
The reason i am so for the lucas formula is this.
The formula simply does one thing. It meets the base requirements and nutrients in proper proportions to sustain growth without overdoing it.
Assuming the res needs to be "topped off" i would ascertain that the plant is obviously using its nutrients as needed. However, with the content of this formula, as it was designed to do, the plants theoretically should proportionately absorb as well.
yes but in the real world some plants will uptake some trace minerals more than others and others uptake other some different trace minerals thius making the res reading although looking ok may be down on lets say for example hardly any phos or potash so effectively reading as fine may be all over the place.
this is why top ups are rubbish and res changes on a weekly basis are essential imo
The addback calculator is a easy way to predict where the plants are at, and lucas himself states that this will most likely raise tds levels above recommended levels, this is where individuality comes into play and we/I will have to adjust to that. But he proves my point nonetheless.
well its all upto you then i cannot be there to contradict whats happening in your res
To an extent ph/cf drifts are acceptable but to low to high with either causes lockouts and stalls a plant yes i understand the basics of a plants uptake requirements btw.
Define "extent", i would say that as long as the plants ec/ph flux is complementing uptake range that this could not possibly be a problem.
im aware that the differnt minerals are taken up at different ph ranges but for this to be an actuality would surely cause some inconvenience and as for optimum performance plant wise its easier to just keep within the ph range for soil/hydro
Ok ill now leave the thread i dont want to cause any more offence.
skallie.
NOOO, your not off the hook that easy, this is a debate, and i clearly explained my reasoning for asking you not to post, its apparent that you NEED to be in this thread, think of those benefitting from our conversation!
JBonez said:Jbonez -Bold
Skallie- standard text
Ok i was making the assumption your growing environment was correct obviously this is the most important thing in growing and until the environment is pretty much spot on you will not get optimum results.
We agree on something! lets see what else we share as common knowledge, continue....
As for my theory it is factual his environment has been dialed in to perfection for about 6 years now with little or no change to nutrients used apart from the additives/boosteres named above.
Has he been growing the same strain for six years? this would negate your point if not.
yes my mate is me and yes i have
Cervantes book crap ok i may have gone overboard but if i had it to hand i could dismiss many of his statements.
Again, i fully agree, the man can grow, and he uses alot of "fluff" imo, i just found his book to be informative, yet rather contradictive. Ive read more than you would believe, not just referencing one book and i can provide you with my source material if you like.
why i know it all now:hubba:
Quit posting sorry but what gives you the right to question what i state just because you happen to disagree with my comments.
This was a little rash of me, i assumed you were new as you left out certain information, this in effect made its seem you lacked experience, which is clearly not the case.
Oh sorry i wasnt aware you had been growing for 7 months.
Yeppers, well, maybe 8 by now, lol. But time is of no relavance, you should know this. There are growers on here that have been growing longer than me and cant quite seems to get it imo.
your on track with your groing thats for sure jbonez
A ph meter in soil is not necessity when starting out again im making the assumption people just water until the available nutes are all used up in the soil.
Thanks for clarifying that but YOUR statement contradicts itself.
Your statement Verbatim
"Ok ill say my bit soil is easier to the beginner firstly ph is buffered so one can do without the cf or ph meters and just follow nute doses on bottle."
And my rebuttle
Follow nute doses on the bottle? Does that work in fantasy island?
ok again i left out vital info i used ionic nutes during my 1st ventures into growing and i now know it happens to be way lower what they state on the label to get the required cf so following these doses will do no harm imho as its below the required strength
Soil will buffer ph if its too high or too low-you clearly do not know much about growing if you beg to differ.
I dont beg to differ, but the nutrient accumulation in my plants rootball, causing the ph to be significantly lower would.
flushing would be beneficial but im at a loss as to how you measure rootball ph:holysheep:
Sure, soil, depending on brand, could be a buffer, if the water ph was at most 6.2, and the soil was a perfect 7.0 and no nutes. The only result of these two ph differences that could happen are still in the range for maximum uptake, you cant argue this.
sure cant man
How does your tds meter know the make up of what is in your res when you have topped up... it may well show as the correct tds but the fact it may be 50% too much of one mineral which wasnt used up by the plants prior to the topping up therefore we now move onto the stage of lockout through too much of one or more minerals.
You make an extremely valid point, and let me explain why it can and apparently does work.
The reason i am so for the lucas formula is this.
The formula simply does one thing. It meets the base requirements and nutrients in proper proportions to sustain growth without overdoing it.
Assuming the res needs to be "topped off" i would ascertain that the plant is obviously using its nutrients as needed. However, with the content of this formula, as it was designed to do, the plants theoretically should proportionately absorb as well.
yes but in the real world some plants will uptake some trace minerals more than others and others uptake other some different trace minerals thius making the res reading although looking ok may be down on lets say for example hardly any phos or potash so effectively reading as fine may be all over the place.
this is why top ups are rubbish and res changes on a weekly basis are essential imo
The addback calculator is a easy way to predict where the plants are at, and lucas himself states that this will most likely raise tds levels above recommended levels, this is where individuality comes into play and we/I will have to adjust to that. But he proves my point nonetheless.
well its all upto you then i cannot be there to contradict whats happening in your res
To an extent ph/cf drifts are acceptable but to low to high with either causes lockouts and stalls a plant yes i understand the basics of a plants uptake requirements btw.
Define "extent", i would say that as long as the plants ec/ph flux is complementing uptake range that this could not possibly be a problem.
im aware that the differnt minerals are taken up at different ph ranges but for this to be an actuality would surely cause some inconvenience and as for optimum performance plant wise its easier to just keep within the ph range for soil/hydro
Ok ill now leave the thread i dont want to cause any more offence.
skallie.
NOOO, your not off the hook that easy, this is a debate, and i clearly explained my reasoning for asking you not to post, its apparent that you NEED to be in this thread, think of those benefitting from our conversation!
