If Cannabis were legal, how cheaply cld it be grown?

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This is an article off the Huffington Post I believe:

"It continues to be totally off the radar of prominent politicians, but polls indicate that large and growing numbers of Americans are open to the idea of legalizing marijuana. Gallup broke ground last fall with the first-ever poll showing 50 percent of respondents nationwide wanting to legalize, and a more precisely worded poll from Rasmussen in May had 56 percent in favor of “legalizing marijuana and regulating it in a similar manner to the way alcohol and tobacco cigarettes are regulated today.” Thus far those polls are outliers, and most surveys show more voter skepticism than that. But as elderly voters are more pot-phobic than the young, legalization’s support is likely to increase over time and surely it will work its way onto the national agenda sooner or later.

There’s been relatively little analysis of what a legal marijuana industry might look like. One key but little-appreciated fact is that, according to persuasive research by Jonathan Caulkins, Angela Hawken, Beau Kilmer, and Mark Kleiman in their new book Marijuana Legalization: What Everyone Needs To Know, is that legal pot would be amazingly cheap. In fact, midgrade stuff would be so cheap that it might make sense for businesses to give it away like ketchup packets or bar nuts.

Conventional thinking about pot pricing is often dominated by people’s experience buying weed in legal or quasi-legal settings such as a Dutch “coffee shop” or a California medical marijuana dispensary. But this is badly misleading. Neither California nor the Netherlands permit growing or wholesale distribution of marijuana as a legal matter. If pot were fully legal, its growth, distribution, and marketing would work entirely differently.

There are some goods that are sufficiently costly to store—either because they’re alive like lobsters or because they’re giant like RVs—such that either the retail markup is a big deal or else retail purchases can’t be made in convenient locations. But marijuana is a nonperishable bulk commodity like wheat or lentils. For such commodities, the final price to the end user is dominated by the cost of production.

Try to imagine a world in which you’re allowed to have some tomatoes in your house, you’re allowed to cook tomatoes, you’re not punished for having tomatoes in your possession if the cops stop you, and you’re even allowed to buy tomatoes at specialty tomato stores—but where it’s illegal to actually grow tomatoes. The price of tomatoes is going to escalate enormously. The problem isn’t that the tomatoes will suddenly disappear from supermarket shelves (though they will) but that all the farms will have to shut down. Which isn’t to say that nobody will grow tomatoes. People like tomatoes. So tomatoes will be smuggled in from Mexico. Tomatoes will be grown in backyards. People will use lights and hydroponic rigs to grow tomatoes indoors.

These expedients would work, but they’d be horrendously inefficient compared with the modern agricultural, packaging, and transportation methods.

America’s farmlands are some of the most productive in the world, thanks in no small part to technology and the existence of scale sufficient to leverage that technology. Even what Americans think of as a small family farm is quite large compared with an illicit marijuana operation. There are no amber waves of cannabis anywhere in the world today, but under a true legalization regime there would be. And this makes all the difference.

How cheaply could pot be grown with advanced farming techniques? One potential data point is Canada’s industrial hemp industry, where production costs are about $500 per acre. If the kind of mid-grade commercial weed that accounts for about 80 percent of the U.S. market could be grown that cheaply, it implies costs of about 20 cents per pound of smokable material: Enough pot to fill more than 800 modest-sized half-gram joints for less than a quarter!. Those numbers are probably optimistic, since in practice recreational marijuana is grown from more expensive transplanted clones rather than from seeds. Even so, the authors note that “production costs for crops that need to be transplanted, such as cherry tomatoes and asparagus, are generally in the range of $5,000-$20,000 per acre.” That implies costs of less than $20 per pound for high-grade sensimilla and less than $5 a pound for mid-grade stuff. Another way of looking at it, suggested by California NORML Director Dale Gieringer, is that we should expect legal pot to cost about the same amount as “other legal herbs such as tea or tobacco,” something perhaps “100 times lower than the current prevailing price of $300 per ounce—or a few cents per joint.”

This would make pot far and away the cheapest intoxicant on the market, absolutely blowing beer and liquor out of the water. Joints would be about as cheap as things that are often treated as free. Splenda packets, for example, cost 2 or 3 cents each when purchased in bulk.

These data either bolster or undermine the case for legalization, depending on your point of view. On the one hand, despite the apparent widespread availability of pot even under prohibition, it seems likely that radically lowering the price would lead to a much larger increase in consumption than people have in mind. On the other hand, it seems that you could tax the hell out of marijuana and still leave consumers better off than they are today. An extraordinarily high tax, of course, would spark tax evasion. Right now, people smuggle marijuana across the U.S.-Mexico border for profits of about $20 an ounce, so a tax substantially higher than that could be tricky to enforce. Still, a $20/ounce tax would be about triple the per-weight taxation of cigarettes, while still leaving mass-market weed extremely affordable. Unfortunately, marijuana taxation is not a game-changer for fiscal policy terms. Federal cigarette taxes bring in about $10 billion a year. Even heavy pot smokers don’t smoke nearly as much as cigarette addicts, so even at triple taxation we’re talking about low single-digit billions in revenue—not nothing, but hardly transformative to the overall budget.

Still the transformation of the basic economics of the marijuana industry—and knock-on effects for casinos, bars, and other possible complements or substitutes for pot—would be enormous. The superficial ineffectiveness of prohibition masks a huge impact on the supply side that, for better or for worse, is what stands between America and much cheaper highs."
 
love the "cigarette addicts" barb in there towards the end. Good thread Mr. Lewis.:aok:
 
At one point in my career, I worked for GE. During that time, GE was fined by SEC for conspiring with De Beers, the diamond monopoly. GE has the patent on man made diamonds. They are mostly for industrial applications. De Beers limits the supply of diamonds, and creates an artificial pricing for diamonds based on Mackenzian economics of supply and demand. GE did the same with man made diamonds. So applying the same principals, if the market has a limited supply, price will go up. Because the demand is not going to go down...especially for DANK. I suspect the price will still be high.
 
Using Canadian hemp figures is quite misleading. When we are growing bud, we only use a very small portion of the plant and that plant is going to need far better taken care of than a hemp plant . If you are using seed, you are absolutely going to have to sex the plants and remove the males or all you are going to have is mid-grade, regardless of what you start with, with a huge amount of waste due to seeds. And if everybody can grow, you will probably get pollinated regardless because not everyone will take time to sex the plants and remove the males. IMO, cherry tomatoes and asparagus take far less care than a marijuana plant and asparagus is perennial. Talking $0.20 a pound cost is quite unrealistic.

Actually, thinking about this some, there are really going to be some problems trying to raise high quality marijuana on a large scale outdoors if everyone can do it. Rouge growers will not weed out males or hermies...there will be pollen of unknown origin pollinating your crops...that alone is a major problem that I don't know if there is a solution for.
 
well all the "dispensary" pot I've picked up is crap. No love, no professionalism, bland in not nonexisttant taste and all the highs are the same. Just so so...THG, if you think the pot will be bad then what about now?

yes it's quaint to say I'm smokin on some "Green River Zombie KillerxOGKushxNorthernLighteningxJumpin Jack Cocaine Bud" but that's all it is, a name with a lil bit different taste. My worst homegrown has always beat the best commercial weed (and this dispensary "Medical Marijuana") in EVERY aspect, in my experience.

Maybe because of all the handling the MMJ goes through b4 it get to the dispensary....i.e. the THC glandular head loss :confused2: I know I barely handle my cannabis. Just enough to trim and I only handle it by the stem, even when just handling individual nugs.

then again it could just be the ghetto-fabulous dispensaries here in the south sound:doh: :rofl:

:peace:
 
Hmmm... I can totally see THG's point. 7greeneyes, really? All the Dispensary herb I have gotten has been at worst mediocre, and usually straight FIRE! Also, way different highs between some I've tried too. Maybe try diff dispensarys
 
I don't agree with the article...I just posted it.;) I think they are being a bit naive when it comes to the actual work and environment that is needed to grow really Dank bud. The best weed will always be grown indoors imho. Outdoors might produce solid smoke and lots of it but for true Top Shelf Fire I think Indoors has the edge. jmo
 
Hamster Lewis said:
I don't agree with the article...I just posted it.;) I think they are being a bit naive when it comes to the actual work and environment that is needed to grow really Dank bud. The best weed will always be grown indoors imho. Outdoors might produce solid smoke and lots of it but for true Top Shelf Fire I think Indoors has the edge. jmo
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Hamster Lewis said:
I don't agree with the article...I just posted it.;) I think they are being a bit naive when it comes to the actual work and environment that is needed to grow really Dank bud. The best weed will always be grown indoors imho. Outdoors might produce solid smoke and lots of it but for true Top Shelf Fire I think Indoors has the edge. jmo

LOL--Hamster, I would never have thought that you would have agreed with the article. You know what it takes to bring in great bud. I was just pointing out what I perceive to be the flaws in the article.
 
The Hemp Goddess said:
LOL--Hamster, I would never have thought that you would have agreed with the article. You know what it takes to bring in great bud. I was just pointing out what I perceive to be the flaws in the article.


Lol....I don't think anybody did. I was just having a lil fun.:) I realized though that I posted the article without giving my opinion on it. If it was legal tomorrow I wld still grow it and not buy it.:icon_smile: It's too much fun having so much control over the bud you smoke.
 
One thing they fail to mention is, the majority of the
money that is spent on mj now would be available for other consumer purchases which would help to stimulate the economy.

The benefits derived from taxation alone is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall benefits of legalizing mj when looking at the big picture.
The amount of money spent in law enforcement of mj is HUGE and (hopefully) would be better spent.
Otherwise law abiding people wouldn't need to go to the black market and be tempted to try other illecit offerings that is much more harmfull. It's been said that mj is the gateway drug but it's not....the gateway is the black market that government is forcing people into.
 
niteshft said:
One thing they fail to mention is, the majority of the
money that is spent on mj now would be available for other consumer purchases which would help to stimulate the economy.

The benefits derived from taxation alone is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall benefits of legalizing mj when looking at the big picture.
The amount of money spent in law enforcement of mj is HUGE and (hopefully) would be better spent.
Otherwise law abiding people wouldn't need to go to the black market and be tempted to try other illecit offerings that is much more harmfull. It's been said that mj is the gateway drug but it's not....the gateway is the black market that government is forcing people into.



Good points niteshift...
 
niteshft said:
One thing they fail to mention is, the majority of the
money that is spent on mj now would be available for other consumer purchases which would help to stimulate the economy.

The benefits derived from taxation alone is a drop in the bucket compared to the overall benefits of legalizing mj when looking at the big picture.
The amount of money spent in law enforcement of mj is HUGE and (hopefully) would be better spent.
Otherwise law abiding people wouldn't need to go to the black market and be tempted to try other illecit offerings that is much more harmfull. It's been said that mj is the gateway drug but it's not....the gateway is the black market that government is forcing people into.

You are spot on re the money spent in law enforcement...most especially, the prison systems. I was among the 53% imprisoned for a drug offense.

I 'vacationed' with the Feds for 5 years...1981-1986. During that time, the Federal Prison population was 28,000. Today it logs in at over 210,000.
The thing is like any bureaucracy...it is self-perpetuating. It lives only to grow larger.
 

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