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[surreptitious]

...:shocked:.. even when you aren't "on the clock"???.. that's ridiculous!
"under the influence" and "on the job".. yes. But random, on the job UA's do not reflect honestly if you are under the influence, only if you have been under the influence within the last 30 days or more.

my point is, it's your choice to work there. if you do not like your company's policy then quit or don't apply for a job there. it's completely voluntary.

i understand that UA's do not reflect if you are under the influence. it just shows if you have been under the influence in the past.

 

[spiritlovescolorado]

Most Ua requirements on the job,.. aren't gennerally the "cause of the employer" It is their insurance company requiring them to do so,.. so many peeps per so many quarters to assure "a safe workplace" like you said,.. We live in a casino town where half the people comin attcha on the highway have been consuming alcohol most of their visit! Comforting eh?! I say you only get a UA if you call in frequently or have a stupid boo boo (not a real accident) at work! Other wise,.. they should mind there business!:holysheep:

 

[legalize_freedom]

I agree Spirit...I go to work everyday, bust my hump for them, and earn a paycheck. What I do on my time is my business. I think if they are going to rely on a US they should develope something that shows to the last minute when someone consumed, otherwise it is wrong, and unconstitional.

As far as finding a job that doesn't US ...lol....right...good luck with that! Unless you can make a living at McDonalds or Speedy-mart

 

[dirtyolsouth]

Some of us out here in the United States of Paranoia would even welcome some Federal meds cuz that would mean progress toward decriminalization... Anything would be progress from the current situation anywhere around here.

 

[Hick]

my point is, it's your choice to work there. if you do not like your company's policy then quit or don't apply for a job there. it's completely voluntary.

i understand that UA's do not reflect if you are under the influence. it just shows if you have been under the influence in the past.

"Choice"??? what choice is that?.. live under a bridge?.. government subsidized food stamps?.. meals at the homeless shelter?..
The workplace itself calls it "mandatory" random testing.... not "voluntary" random testing..
Suppose they(employer) is paying a portion of your health insurance. Does that then give them the right to tell you that you can't eat red meat, or fast food, or smoke tobacco when you are "off" of the clock?..
If I am a good employee, and dedicate my all to a company for 8 hours, when I punch that clock at 5;00 pm, it starts "MY" time... if I'm sacrificing cats, worshipping the devil, or smoking pot.. it is NONE of their business. As long as I show up safe and sober at 8:00 am.

 

[nvthis]

Man, great thread.

 

[Flyinghigh]

if crack makes you leave your house infringing on peoples rights, then yes, the Government should do something about it, but if I smoke crack and mind my own business then so be it.

...but good luck getting a decent job these days without pissing in a cup.

There was a time back about 20 yrs or so ago, my first bust for being under the influence of Crank while walking back to my house from around the corner and the cop thought I was someone else and detained me with hand cuffs went to jail and I told the Cops and the Judge that I was minding my own business and wasn't hurting anybody else but hurting myself, so why should you care.!!!!!! It my life to use and destroy..!! It's Called Compassionate on the courts part.
There way getting around in getting that Good job, B-Clean or other stuff to clean your system, but keeping that job is up to you to show that there NO sign of drug use.
Myself I Wouldn't work at walmart or target, or any such place like that, just because they throw random testing and they have Zero Tolerant to any medication that alters your mind..

 

[Flyinghigh]

MMJ is NOT protected as far as the workplace goes. If a Company has a "no Drug" policy,

No Drug Policy" would that be for all medication.??

 

[Cowboy]

As far as I am concerned, I don't want Mj legalized because it would mean nothing for all the years we worked to make it legal for toughs that need it as a med.

Also, there is one thing getting missed here. If a law is passed to tax growers, legal or other wise, then you can be held on two counts by the law if you don't comply.
1. For growing illegally.
2. Tax evasion.

Then what? Smokers?

It may be 2010, but to me each day looks more and more like 1984.

happy trails of smoke to all.

 

[dman1234]

This is for anyone from Canada.



A. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
Challenges to government mandatory drug testing programs would likely be based on sections 7, 8 and/or 15 of the Charter. Section 7 sets out the right to security of the person, and the right not to be deprived thereof, except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice. Security of the person includes liberty from physical constraint, privacy (see section A.1 of this paper), and freedom from state intrusion into personal matters. Section 8 guarantees the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure. It is also possible that a challenge could be made under section 15 of the Charter, which guarantees the right to equality.

The application of these constitutional rights is limited by section 1 of the Charter, which permits reasonable restrictions as long as they are prescribed by law and can be shown to be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Another important consideration in relation to the Charter is its applicability. The Charter, as per section 32, applies only to Parliament and to provincial legislatures, as well as to the federal and provincial governments. Thus, it does not generally apply to private actions of individuals or corporations, although it may do so, for example, through judicial extension of its guarantees to human rights codes. Therefore, if a mandatory drug testing program is established by legislation, any employee would have the right to challenge the law under the Charter. If, however, a federally regulated corporation implemented such a program as its own policy, an employee would have recourse only under human rights legislation.

 

[Cowboy]

We have a Constitution also but what good has it done from Nixon alll the way to today?
The magic words for our lost rights is NATIONAL SECURITY. And we all know that pot smoking radicals are threatening It and the way of life for the privileged.

happy trails of smoke to all.

 

[Piperson]

:holysheep: Just finished reading this thread. And I just wanted to say ur all stupid idiots! (no, I'm just kidding, I apologizes to every1)

But, in my humble oppinion, I think it should be leagelized for everything that it is good for. Like the 1937? Popular Mechanics Magazine artical saying it was the new billion $ crop for over 5000 different uses, including medical, fuel, fabric, ect.

The medical aspect can still remain, but come-on, there r 1000's of uses for cannabis, includding gettn high.

My body has aces n pains, i still smoke it mainly because i enjoy the high.

4 the ppl that like to some it to get high, I think that if it was legalized it could be produced and distributed like beer n wine is, n i guess tobacco. Like beer, wine n tobacco, there could be a lot of big and small companies all doin biz at the same time, like all the micro breweries and wine companies big n small. I think there would be enough biz to go around 4 every1, even u folks that are growing now for a profit. N if it was legal, u could still grow ur own for personal use n not be taxed like beer.

For ppl that need it for medicinal uses, if it was legal this aspect of it could continue n the the scientific research could proceed just like with any other medicine.

I hope i haven't offended any1. jmo

 

[spiritlovescolorado]

Hey Piper,.. I say you should lay down the gonge for a day and see if you can get in to a "higher" education facillity, .. just for a hobby,.. I am not blind to where "Progress" has taken the world!,... No where fast in a freewheelin hand basket to hell! :hitchair: They say (mostly government people) say you can't controll it,.. so therefore it can not be legallized!:ignore: If you had read that article from the 30's all the way through,.... You would have seen that they could have held a monopoly on the market,.. We wouldn't have to "replace those jeans",... or that rope,.. any time soon,.. had we legallized it in manufacturing; and our system of "buy and replace" would be gone! There is an answer out there where we could all be happier,... The feds.. The States,.. our local governments,... Heck,.. in the end.. US! :holysheep: Alma Colorado has a church that opens each day at 4:20 and they pass out there "offerings" maybe you should make a visit and "get in line" If you don't need the smoke for med reasons! SOME OF US DO,....DESPERATELY!!!! I may be speaking out of turn here, but I don't believe any of us HERE are growing it to make a hat!! We know (most of us) about the "many uses" of cannabis,.. and thank-you for sharing the "little knowledge" you have about it here, .......I am offended,.. to a point! :**: You could call US idiots!????! When you my child,.. are IGNORANT!:doh:
Clearly,......Crystal,...... think supply and demand

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of *#@$.

 

[Flyinghigh]

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of *#@$.

Did you Peg the "woman" on the spot..

 

[spiritlovescolorado]

Hey I'm in my 40's if you peg this,.... It will run,....lol

 

[Cowboy]

Hey Piper,.. I say you should lay down the gonge for a day and see if you can get in to a "higher" education facillity, .. just for a hobby,.. I am not blind to where "Progress" has taken the world!,... No where fast in a freewheelin hand basket to hell! :hitchair: They say (mostly government people) say you can't controll it,.. so therefore it can not be legallized!:ignore: If you had read that article from the 30's all the way through,.... You would have seen that they could have held a monopoly on the market,.. We wouldn't have to "replace those jeans",... or that rope,.. any time soon,.. had we legallized it in manufacturing; and our system of "buy and replace" would be gone! There is an answer out there where we could all be happier,... The feds.. The States,.. our local governments,... Heck,.. in the end.. US! :holysheep: Alma Colorado has a church that opens each day at 4:20 and they pass out there "offerings" maybe you should make a visit and "get in line" If you don't need the smoke for med reasons! SOME OF US DO,....DESPERATELY!!!! I may be speaking out of turn here, but I don't believe any of us HERE are growing it to make a hat!! We know (most of us) about the "many uses" of cannabis,.. and thank-you for sharing the "little knowledge" you have about it here, .......I am offended,.. to a point! :**: You could call US idiots!????! When you my child,.. are IGNORANT!:doh:
Clearly,......Crystal,...... think supply and demand

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make it greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of *#@$.

No truer words ever spoken.
"if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of *#@$".
I doubt that he can even straight.