I purchased some seeds, Jock Horror from a dealer, I have germinated many seeds in the past and am attempting the same with these although to no avail, how long soaking before i can say they are duds for sure, I'd hate to discard them and find out they take an abnormal length to germ. they are tiny seeds to, similar in size to northerns, i used a link from here to purchase them and was pleased with everything, and I'm sure if there is an issue they'll make it right, cheers Tom