Congress wants to monitor all emails, IMs, etc.

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This is just EDIT LANGUAGE ridiculous!! Fascist EDIT LANGUAGE!!!
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The Seminal | February 13, 2007

A bill introduced last week by Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX) is beginning to raise eyebrows.

[It] would require ISPs to record all users' surfing activity, IM conversations and email traffic indefinitely . The bill, dubbed the Safety Act by sponsor Lamar Smith, a republican congressman from Texas, would impose fines and a prison term of one year on ISPs which failed to keep full records. (emphasis mine)

This is a terrifying development and it must be stopped before it gains any significant momentum. Background, Action items and contact information below the fold.

Under the guise of reducing child pornography, the SAFETY (Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth) Act is currently the gravest threat to digital privacy rights on the Internet. Given the increasing tendency of people, especially young people, to use the Internet as a primary means of communication, this measure would affect nearly all Americans in ways we are only beginning to understand. Also, given the fact that the Act requires all Internet Service Providers to record the web surfing activity of all Internet users, this amounts to the warrantless wiretapping of the entire Internet.

Amazingly, although the bill was introduced and referred to the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday Feb. 6, it has been virtually ignored by both the corporate media and major blogs alike. By combining such draconian legislation with several child pornography measures, Smith is trying to pull a fast one on the Judiciary Committee and on the democratically controlled Congress as a whole. I say we don't let this happen. So, first, a little background information. Then below, I've outlined a few actions you can take if you'd like to spread the word on this.

Background :
The original SAFETY Act, introduced in June of 2006 by Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ), was shot down due to free speech concerns over aspects of the bill other than the ones I've focused on here. At the time, the Center for Democracy and Technology wrote that the bill “would undermine First Amendment free speech protections and do nothing to protect children on the Internet.”

So what was Lamar Smith's response, you ask? He added the misguided measures discussed above in an attempt to fulfill the demands of the FBI. In an October 2006 conference of police chiefs, FBI Director Robert Mueller made the following statement :

Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms. All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims.

Mueller was signaling to Congress that he would like to see measures put in place that would require ISPs to store records of all Internet usage so he could access it when he felt it was neccessary. But, as has been pointed out :

The thing about retention laws is that they require all data to be maintained, not simply the data from child pornographers and terrorists. This means that such laws are usually favored by other, unrelated groups who would like access to such log files. Groups like the music labels. In Europe, where retention rules are already in place, the entertainment industry has already stated its belief that the data should be available for use in the investigation of any crime, even copyright infringement.

Action:
There are two ways to make members of Congress listen to your concerns.

1. Inundate them with phone calls and emails.
2. Get negative media coverage of what they are trying to accomplish.

Please contact any or all of the people and organizations listed below. Let them know that the SAFETY ACT, as it is written, is not acceptable.

Sponsor:
Rep. Lamar Smith, web form , 202-225-4236

Cosponsors:
Rep. Steve Chabot, (202) 225-2216
Rep. Tom Feeney, (202) 225-2706
Rep. J. Randy Forbes, (202) 225-6365
Rep. Trent Franks, (202) 225-4576
Rep. Elton Gallegly, (202) 225-5811
Rep. Dan Lungren, (202) 225-5716
Rep. Mike Pence, (202) 225-3021

House Judiciary Committee Chair:
Rep. John Conyers, (202) 225-5126

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they trying to control and see everything you do in this cuntry man
 
That goes completely aginst the 9th admendment and that is right to privacy. I very much dislike the goverment they make laws and rules, set them in stone and then try to figure out ways around them to get you!
 
Notice that they say they want to do it because "terrorists" use the Internet so we all have to be monitored.

They created the perfect pretext for dictatorship and enslavement on 9/11.
 
Damn..look @ how things are changing in the world.That's total lock-down right there.You won't be able to hide anything.
 
caribbean_smoker_20 said:
Damn..look @ how things are changing in the world.That's total lock-down right there.You won't be able to hide anything.
It will be over on Dec 21, 2012.
 
its a shame that mankind is creating such great things like the internet and such, but someones ALWAYS out to make sure that it getsEDITup. why.....
hey if you give me those congress emails I'll be glad to send a letter. Im not gonna call those pricks though.
 
surly stuff like this has been happening for years and years its just now they have told everyone and given it a name? why will it be over on 21st dec 2012?? In the Uk at the moment there is talk of a Identification card system, meaning that EVERYONE will have a card which says who they are, where they are from and how they like their boiled eggs in the morning etc... Hello im No. 1294739294, how are you today? :stoned:
 
The kinds of politicians who favor the "Big Brother" approach to running the world have been around since the dawn of time. I'll bet if you looked far enough back, you'd find Ug and Bok having a covert conversation about the latest cave dweller and watching his cave.

Hhahaahahaha, man, you can make yourself crazy if you succumb to paranoia.

Paranoia:A belief that the actions of others is demeaning or threatening. It is characterized by feelings of being exploited or harmed by others, and questioning loyalty or trustworthiness of friends or associates.

Laws like what Rep. Lamar Smith is championing will never happen in any normal society. Their are way too many checks and balances involved with government actions to allow that type of control in the USA or most other civilized countries.

As for the 2012 Math.....

December 21 - The Long Count calendar used by the Maya civilization of pre-Columbian Mesoamerica completes its thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle since the calendar's mythical starting point (equivalent to 3114 BC August 11 in the proleptic Gregorian calendar, according to the "GMT-correlation" JDN= 584283). The Long Count b'ak'tun date of this starting point (13.0.0.0.0.0) is repeated, for the first time in a span of approximately 5,125 solar years. The significance of this period-ending to the pre-Columbian Maya themselves is unclear, and there is an incomplete inscription (Tortuguero Stela 6) which records this date. It is also to be found carved on the walls of the Temple of Inscriptions in Palenque, where it functions as a base date from which other dates are computed. However, it is conjectured that this may represent in the Maya belief system a transition from the current Creation world into the next. The December solstice for 2012 also occurs on this day.


December 23 - The alternative date for the completion of the thirteenth b'ak'tun cycle in the Maya calendar, using a version of the GMT-correlation based on a JDN of 584285 (a.k.a. the "Lounsbury correlation"), which is supported by a smaller number of Mayanist researchers.
 
Unfortunately there are dirty birds who use the internet to prey on children and who knows what else....They cant monitor every message on the net, If they could and/or did, ...Make sure you dont 'accidently' become a sicko.:eek:
 
"Laws like what Rep. Lamar Smith is championing will never happen in any normal society. Their are way too many checks and balances involved with government actions to allow that type of control in the USA or most other civilized countries." by Stoney

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

Bob Dylan knows never say never and that Nevers a long time :)

The collective dysfunction is so massive.

Thanks to the Thread Starter
 
oleflowerman said:
Stoney Bud said:
"Laws like what Rep. Lamar Smith is championing will never happen in any normal society. Their are way too many checks and balances involved with government actions to allow that type of control in the USA or most other civilized countries.

Bob Dylan knows never say never and that Never's a long time :)

The collective dysfunction is so massive.

Thanks to the Thread Starter
Bob Dylan was nothing but an entertainer. A song writer and singer. Nothing else.

The words to his song are nothing more than the words to a song. Don't give some sort of credit to him for anything other than writing and singing a song that made him lots of money. Especially if you are going to quote me in front of his money making song.

I said never, and I meant never. If you disagree with what I've said, then say so in plain English, not behind a folk singers song.

Thanks.
 
TURKEYNECK said:
Unfortunately there are dirty birds who use the internet to prey on children and who knows what else....They cant monitor every message on the net, If they could and/or did, ...Make sure you dont 'accidently' become a sicko.:eek:
Good point.
 
Sorry guys, but this thread is getting out of hand. People talking about killing themselves and going off on conspiracy theories....

If you want to get everyone stirred up about the latest conspiracy theory, go to:

alt.conspiracy.nuts and do so. This one is over.
 
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