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I was reserving this utopia for "New Atlantis" project though it is also applicable to Cannabis Culcivation Utopia.

As far as I know, after 13 miles in seas and oceans, the water becomes "no man's land" so to speak not the property of a government but the poroperty of world.

We can anchor our ship at 14th mile of sea/ocean that belongs to no single country and culcivate our cannabis plant, smoke to death even leave main ship and head to the land to buy supplies and go back.

To sweeten the situation, we can equip our ship with one of Stenley Meyer's hydrogen fuel cell and a hyrogen engine to create necessary power from plain sea water. The exhaust is just plain water so plants will love it, and electricty is loved by us as well as HPS lamps...

It may be a little utopic but no one have the right to bust someone in international waters also smoking in international waters is not a crime as well as culcivating cannabis plant so long as the plants stay out of territorial waters.


Stanley Meyer's Fuel Cell and It WORKS! or else he wouldn't have been killed...
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer
 
wow, never thought of that. only gambling purposes. i wouldnt like bein posted up 14 miles out to sea, but ill be the runner... definately needs to be heavily guarded :hairpull:
 
Sound's cool,
I will help build the Island by flying overhead and dropping millions of dank medicinal seed's so that our Island will be surrounded with huge plants!. Everyone could smoke for free as long as you plant a seed or a clone every time you harvested a plant. I vote yes for the Island of freedom!! Peace and Love!!!!!!
Roken.
 
WOW (I usually don't shout, but WOW what a great idea!)
 
theyre are pirates still maybe not dressed like johnny depp still but more modernized... or a bunch of big drug dealers from other countrys though cuzz thats where alot of go for "drop offs".... so defintley would run into some trouble with someone along the way nice thought though. also youd need like a helicopter for gettin water out their one of them firedepartment forrest fire helis would work perfect...
 
toke@smoke420 said:
theyre are pirates still maybe not dressed like johnny depp still but more modernized... or a bunch of big drug dealers from other countrys though cuzz thats where alot of go for "drop offs".... so defintley would run into some trouble with someone along the way nice thought though. also youd need like a helicopter for gettin water out their one of them firedepartment forrest fire helis would work perfect...

Really don't need that big of a chopper.We'll have an onboard purification system.Plus plenty of solar power and some backup generators.
A smaller chopper like a huey slick from Vietnam era, complete with miniguns and rockets(for drug dealers)on the hard points, extra loud speaker system to blast hendrix songs, skulls mounted on skids, etc.

We will also have a HUGE turret-mounted water cannon to deal with media snoopers-lol
Oh yeah-don't forget tikki bar.

Gb
 
Actually, you wouldnt need a purification system. Sea water is rich in minerals and nutrients, you wouldnt want to take those out. You could setup a simply evaporation dome, where sea-water is evaporated and the resulting run-off would be sodium, sea salt, free and ready to use!

Instead of a helicopter, a small squadron of jetskis would work much better! Jet fuels is kinda pricey, plus jetskiis are much more nimble and quick! They make all sizes, and would be much cheaper and easier to stop than a heli!

You would need a small armory consisting of some light and heavy machine guns, smalls arms, and rpg's.

You could also incorporate active radar and sonar, which would alert you to any incoming vessels in the water or under it.

It's definitely do-able, just would need an oil-tanker or barge to even attempt at making profit!

Good idea, very creative though!
 
i was thinking 50miles??? Also to convert the water to energy it would require alot of electricity. just watched a show on the history channel on it a day ago. but none the less your right.
 
All this might be just an utopia but there is also a chance that it can be a possibility, even a reality...

Cannabia does not necessarily have to be a place only to grow cannabis, I believe there are some doctors who are willing to live on this ship and help terminally ill patients, yes it can be a rehabilitation centre.

It can live on donations from everywhere and a private security can be hired or even USA Government may help in order to silence rest of the USA... Patients can relax and forget their problems just for some time without fear of DEA...

Energy is not much of a problem so is the water as Stanley Meyer's hydrogen power can works on solely on water and it is 300% more efficient than hydrolysis. If you research, you'll see.

All that is needed is some effort put into this idea, I was thinking of it as an utopia but you showed me that it can also be a reality.
 
Here's an interesting article I read and saved 7 years ago ;)

July 10, 2001 -- (WEB HOST INDUSTRY REVIEW) -- When people think of hosting their data offshore, the first place that often comes to mind is the Caribbean. After all, the sunny countries to the south are warm, close to the United States and typically feature lax policies related to business and privacy.

Moving your servers to the Caribbean doesn't put you above the law, though. Enter HavenCo, a private firm backed by a number of Internet executives with extensive backgrounds in network infrastructure, security and E-commerce. HavenCo's goal is to establish the world's first true offshore "data haven" seven miles from land and in the middle of international waters.

To do this, HavenCo has teamed up with the Principality of Sealand, the self-proclaimed "world's smallest sovereign territory." Sealand is a 6,000 square-foot gun tower in the middle of Europe's North Sea, seven miles from Britain's mainland. The structure was originally built In World War II to shoot down German planes. The Allies abandoned the tower after the war, and it stayed unoccupied until 1967 when retired British war veteran Roy Bates landed on the structure, named it "Sealand" and declared himself Prince. His son Michael was named heir apparent, and currently serves as HavenCo's Chief Logistics Officer. His wife, Joan, was named Princess.

The tiny nation has had a short, eventful history that features an invasion, run-ins with the British government regarding Sealand's supposed independence, and a slew of often sensational coverage. While the British and American governments officially maintain a policy of "non-recognition", they haven't actively tried to force the Principality to adhere to Britain's laws.

HavenCo felt there was an opportunity to use Sealand's unique situation by offering hosting services to organizations who didn't want their data tampered with by governments, law enforcement officials or any other agency. Sealand seemed to agree, and in May of 2000 HavenCo began offering what it calls "the world's most secure managed servers in the world's only true free market environment."

Whether Sealand is really the world's only true free market environment is an oft-discussed topic with no definite answer. While Sealand was originally located outside British territorial boundaries, Britain extended its territorial water to 12 nautical miles in 1987, thereby encompassing Sealand. To date, however, the issue has not been formally challenged, although it is widely believed Sealand would not be able to withstand a concentrated effort by the British government to shut Sealand down should it ever decide to do so.

HavenCo currently provides what it calls "managed co-location services": a Web hosting service that uses facilities and equipment based in Sealand, but leaves most administrative duties to the client. HavenCo takes care of issues related to the physical location of Sealand (like actually mounting a server on a rack), and the user takes care of the rest.

"The few things that only we can do because of our physical location we'll do, and we'll do it well," says Ryan Lackey, a former MIT student who now serves as HavenCo's Chief Technical Officer. "It's about as close to a neutral co-location facility as you can get."

The idea must have been a good one, because the premise has attracted the attention of numerous high-profile backers, including Avi Freedman, VP of Network Architecture for Akamai, and Sameer Parekh, founder of C2NetSoftware, Inc. Lackey says the idea came about after he and a number of associates tried to locate some potential venues for offshore servers. After coming across Sealand, he realized offshore hosting could actually be a solid business idea as well. "It turned out that it was a better company idea because it's a simple revenue model," he says. And it was a model the company used to quietly turn a profit in a mere 12 months.

Users can purchase single-server packages for as little as $750 (U.S.) a month, which gets them a dedicated server running an industry-standard OS like Linux , Windows or even a Mac. Servers are connected to a high-speed wireless network backed up with a satellite service.

Of course, as a potential hosting client your first question will likely be: why should I put my servers in Sealand instead of downtown London? After all, locating your servers in Sealand means your machine will be without a direct fiber connection to the Internet. One reason is physical protection: Sealand itself, a former military installation, is protected with firearms, and HavenCo's servers protected by tamper-resistant hardware and cryptography. The other reason people choose Sealand is freedom. Sealand doesn't have any provisions regarding the government of traffic data, and has entered in to an agreement with HavenCo that says they never will. So long as a customer abides by the company's Acceptable Use Policy, which is designed to prevent illegal sites like child pornography and spam, clients are free to host whatever they like.

So far, most of HavenCo's clients are finance sites and online casinos, the latter being frowned upon throughout most of the United States. "We're supporting offshore gambling, and nobody cares about gambling," Lackey says. "In the U.K., gambling is actually pretty cool."

Lackey says HavenCo has given thought to expanding its line of Web hosting services, including offering lower-end services like virtual hosting packages. So far, however, it has nixed the idea because of the staff requirements involved - but Lackey says that doesn't necessarily mean virtual hosting is not in the cards for HavenCo. "The problem is for us the support costs would be high," he says. "What we would like to do is find a regular hosting company and sell them a rack... and resell their service."

One thing that is definitely in store for Lackey is some time off in the near future, as his technical expertise means he's often stuck on Sealand for up to three months at a time (most everyone else spends two weeks at Sealand and two weeks ashore in Britain). Living on Sealand, however, does have its advantages. "It's cheap, my food when I'm there is free and my housing when I'm there is free," he says. And besides, "I have no apartment anywhere else in the world."
 
Yo Ho Floating Islands,
Yeppers I like the idea. I have my ticket to fly rotary, as well as fixed wing.
Rotary is better than you might think. You ever watch a hummingbird ?
I can do pretty much the same thing in a twin turbin Bell 222.
Also for the sake of argument, clean high grade kerosen is still easy to get and cheap, and I take my pay in equitable trade. I never fly stoned though.

smoke in peace
KingKahuuna
 
And here's some more

In 1942, during World War II, HM Fort Roughs was constructed by the United Kingdom as one of the Maunsell Forts, primarily for defence against German mine-laying aircraft that might be targeting the estuaries that were part of vital shipping lanes. It comprised a floating pontoon base with a superstructure of two hollow towers joined by a deck upon which other structures could be added. The fort was towed to a position above the Rough Sands sandbar, where its base was intentionally flooded to allow it to sink to its final resting place on the sandbar. The location chosen was in international waters, approximately six miles from the coast of Suffolk, outside the then three-mile territorial water claim of the United Kingdom.

The facility (called Roughs Tower or HM Fort Roughs) was occupied by 150–300 Royal Navy personnel throughout World War II; not until well after the war, in 1956, were the last full-time personnel taken off HM Fort Roughs.


Occupation by Roy Bates and the establishment of Sealand

The Principality of SealandOn September 2, 1967, the fort (with a habitable area of 550 square metre (5920 sq ft))[citation needed] was occupied by Major Paddy Roy Bates, a British subject and pirate radio broadcaster, who ejected a competing group of pirate broadcasters. Bates intended to broadcast his pirate radio station Radio Essex from the platform.

In 1968, the Royal Navy entered what Bates claimed to be his territorial waters in order to service a navigational buoy near the platform. Michael Bates (son of Paddy Roy Bates) tried to scare the workmen off by firing warning shots from the former fort. As Bates was a British subject at the time, he was summoned to court in England following the incident. The court ruled that as the platform (which Bates was now calling "Sealand") was outside British jurisdiction, being beyond the then three-mile limit of the country's waters, the case could not proceed.

In 1975, Bates introduced a constitution for Sealand, followed by a flag, a national anthem, a currency and passports.


Forcible takeover
In 1978, while Bates was away, the Prime Minister of Sealand, Professor Alexander G. Achenbach, and several German and Dutch citizens, staged a forcible takeover of Roughs Tower, holding Bates' son Michael captive, before releasing him several days later in the Netherlands. Bates thereupon enlisted armed assistance and, in a helicopter assault, retook the fortress. He then held the invaders captive, claiming them as prisoners of war. Most participants in the invasion were repatriated at the cessation of the "war", but Achenbach, a German lawyer who held a Sealand passport, was charged with treason against Sealand, and was held unless he paid DM 75,000 (more than US$ 35,000). The governments of the Netherlands and Germany petitioned the British government for his release, but the United Kingdom disavowed all responsibility, citing the 1968 court decision. Germany then sent a diplomat from its London embassy to Roughs Tower to negotiate for Achenbach's release. Roy Bates relented after several weeks of negotiations and subsequently claimed that the diplomat's visit constituted de facto recognition of Sealand by Germany.

Following his repatriation, Achenbach established a "government in exile" in Germany, in opposition to Roy Bates, assuming the name "Chairman of the Privy Council". He handed the position to Johannes Seiger in 1989 due to illness. Seiger continues to claim — via his website — that he is Sealand's legitimate ruling authority.


1990s
In an incident in 1990, the Royal Maritime Auxiliary vessel Golden Eye was fired upon from Sealand in defense of their claim to the waters surrounding Roughs Tower to the extent of twelve nautical miles.

Due to the massive quantity of illegal passports in circulation (estimated at 150,000), in 1997 the Bates family revoked all Sealand passports, including those that they themselves had issued in the previous thirty years.


2000s

Sealand several months after the fire.On the afternoon of 23 June 2006, the top platform of the Roughs Tower caught fire due to an electrical failure. An RAF rescue helicopter transferred one person to Ipswich hospital, directly from the tower. The Harwich lifeboat stood by the Roughs Tower until a local fire tug extinguished the fire. All damages were repaired by November 2006.

In 2007, Sealand was offered for sale through Spanish estate company InmoNaranja. However, because a principality cannot technically be sold, Sealand's current owners plan to transfer "custodianship". The asking price is between £65,000,000 and £504,000,000 (€750 m, according to the BBC . Sealand also holds the Guinness World Record for "the smallest area to lay claim to nation status".Plans for an online casino have been announced.


Legal status of Sealand
Main article: Legal status of Sealand

Map of Sealand and the United Kingdom, with territorial water claims of 3 NM and 12 NM shown.The claim that Sealand is an independent sovereign state is based on the following contentions:

That when Paddy Roy Bates and his associates occupied Roughs Tower/HM Fort Roughs in 1967, it was located in international waters, outside the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom and all other sovereign states, thus constituting terra nullius which could be settled and claimed by a new State. (This is the basis of the claim for de jure legitimacy).
That interactions by the UK and the German Governments and the occupants of Sealand/Roughs Tower constitute de facto recognition of the territory's sovereignty. However, the concerned States deny this proposition.
That a 1968 decision of an English court, in which it was held that Roughs Tower was in international waters and thus outside the jurisdiction of the domestic courts, is a further de facto recognition of Sealand's sovereignty.
In international law, the two most common schools of thought for the creation of statehood are the constitutive and declaratory theories of state creation. The constitutive theory was the standard nineteenth century model of statehood, and the declaratory theory was developed in the twentieth century to address shortcomings of the constitutive theory. In the constitutive theory, a state exists exclusively via recognition by other states. The theory splits on whether this recognition requires "diplomatic recognition" or merely "recognition of existence". No other state grants Sealand official recognition, but it has been argued by Bates that negotiations carried out by Germany constituted "recognition of existence". In the declaratory theory of statehood, an entity becomes a state as soon as it meets the minimal criteria for statehood. Recognition by other states is purely "declaratory".

Arguments against sovereignty include that Sealand is not a real island, and does not count as a territory.


Sealand as a statelike entity

Prince Roy and Princess Joan Bates claimed Sealand as their own in 1967.Irrespective of its legal status, Sealand is managed by the Bates family as though it were a recognised sovereign entity, and they are its hereditary royal rulers.

Roy Bates styles himself "Prince Roy" and his wife "Princess Joan". Their son is known as "His Royal Highness Prince Michael" and has been referred to as the "Prince Regent" by the Bates family since 1999. In this role he apparently serves as Sealand's acting "Head of State" and also its "Head of Government".At a micronations conference hosted by the University of Sunderland in 2004, Sealand was represented by Michael Bates's son James, who was referred to as "Prince Royal James".

The Bates' are all believed to retain UK citizenship, and the family has not been in permanent residence on the Roughs Tower facility since 1999.[citation needed] The facility is now occupied by one or more caretakers representing Michael Bates, who himself lives in Essex, England.
 
And the rest ...

Sealand's constitution was instituted in 1974. It consists of a preamble and seven articles. The preamble asserts Sealand's independence, while the articles variously deal with Sealand's status as a constitutional monarchy, the empowerment of government bureaus, the role of an appointed, advisory Senate, the functions of an appointed, advisory legal tribunal, a proscription against the bearing of arms except by members of a designated "Sealand Guard," the exclusive right of the sovereign to formulate foreign policy and alter the constitution, and the hereditary patrilinear succession of the monarchy.Sealand's legal system is claimed to follow British common law, and statutes take the form of Decrees enacted by the Sovereign.

Sealand has issued passports and has operated as a flag of convenience state (see #Commercial and other operations).

Sealand's motto is E Mare Libertas (English: From the Sea, Freedom). It appears on Sealandic items, such as stamps, passports, and coins and is the title of the Sealandic anthem. The anthem was composed by Londoner Basil Simonenko; it does not have lyrics.


Commercial and other operations
Sealand has been involved in several commercial operations, including the issuing of coins and postage stamps, and the establishment of an offshore internet hosting facility or "data haven". Sealand also had an official website and publishes an online newspaper, Sealand News. In addition, a number of amateur athletes "represent" Sealand in sporting events.

According to Sealand News, a movie called Sealand is in development for release in 2008.

As of 11 February 2007 Sealand is taking bookings for tourist visits.


Legal instruments
For a period, Sealand camouflage passports were mass-manufactured and sold widely by a Spanish-based group believed to be associated with the "exile government" under Seiger. These passports, which the Bates family say were not authorized by them, were linked to several high-profile crimes. All passports were revoked by Roy Bates in 1997.

In a 1990 court case in the United States regarding registering ships in Sealand (as a flag of convenience), the court ruled against allowing Sealand flagged vessels; the case was never contested by the Bates'.


Coins and stamps
Main article: Coins and postage stamps of Sealand

80c stamp from the Principality of Sealand.Several dozen different Sealand coins have been minted since 1972. Most were produced in precious metals so as to appeal to investors and coin collectors. In the early 1990s, Achenbach's German group also produced a coin, featuring a likeness of "Prime Minister Seiger".

Sealand's coins and postage stamps are denominated in "Sealand Dollars", which it deems to be at parity with the U.S. dollar.

Sealand first issued postage stamps in 1969, when a helicopter service was instituted to carry mail between Roughs Tower and Brussels. A significant volume of mail carrying Sealand stamps and postmarks was accepted without surcharge and passed by Belgian postal authorities into the international postal system at that time.

Sealand stamps are classified as "locals"; such stamps are issued by private entities and are valid for the carriage of mail between a location that lacks a regular postal service and a location from which the onward transmission of such mail occurs. Although few stamp issues have been made since early 1970s, Sealand postage stamps and postal cancellations continue to be used on most if not all mail from Fort Roughs. Furthermore, as Sealand is not a member of the Universal Postal Union, its inward address is a PO Box in the United Kingdom.


Sealandic coins, from left to right: Half Dollar, Silver One Dollar and Quarter Dollar
Natural resources
Several greenhouses have been erected on Sealand in order to produce vegetables and fruits for export and for the personal consumption of inhabitants. Using the black tarmac, and the constant direct daytime sunlight, a variety of tropical fruits have been successfully grown on Sealand and sold in markets in Felixstowe and Harwich. A failed attempt to make salt led to the death of Robert Jacob Brown in 1978. Since then the salt-making venture has been abandoned.


HavenCo
Main article: HavenCo
In 2000, worldwide publicity was created about Sealand following the establishment of a new entity called HavenCo, a data haven, which effectively took control of Roughs Tower itself. However Ryan Lackey, HavenCo's founder, later quit and claimed that Bates had lied to him by keeping the 1990-1991 court case from him and that as a result he had lost the money he had invested in the venture.


Sports and activities
Sealand has official national athletes, including non-Sealanders. These athletes take part in various sports, including pole-dancing, mini-golf and football. Sealand is actually a member of the Nouvelle Fédération-Board, a football sanctioning body for non-recognized states and states not members of FIFA.

Sealand's first official athlete was Darren Blackburn of Oakville, Ontario, Canada, who was appointed in 2003. Blackburn has represented Sealand at a number of local sporting events, including marathons and off-trail races. Sealand's official U-20 National Football team is coached by American high school soccer coach Rory Miller and is mostly composed of players from his current and recent past roster at Muhlenberg North High School in Greenville, Kentucky. Mountaineer Slader Oviatt carried the Sealandic flag to the top of Muztagh Ata in 2004. Since 16 December 2007, the Yorkshire-based airsoft team "SART" (Sheffield Armed Response Team) represents the Principality at airsoft games as its national team. Also in 2007, Michael Martelle represented the Principality of Sealand in the World Cup of Kung Fu, held in Quebec City, Canada; bearing the designation of Athleta Principalitas Bellatorius (Principal Martial Arts Athlete and Champion), Martelle won two silver medals, becoming the first-ever Sealand athlete to appear on a world championship podium.

The Principality is also represented at the Destination ImagiNation Global Finals by the team from Dobbs Ferry High School in Dobbs Ferry, New York. The team members carried the Sealand flag in the 2007 DI Global Finals Opening Ceremony, and plan to do so again at the 2008 event.
 
Here's an interesting site : privateislandsonline.com/

Check out the islands for less than 250K
 
I just love this thread, for it is a positive energy that is much needed, and it is asking us all to use the power of our imagination! :D

That is a very good thing!

Everything begins with a thought!
Let’s keep it going!
Let’s create this paradise with all the details it deserves.
 
Ilikebigbuds said:
I just love this thread, for it is a positive energy that is much needed, and it is asking us all to use the power of our imagination! :D

That is a very good thing!

Whew. I thought I wasn't high enough to get it!
 
Instead of a helicopter, a small squadron of jetskis would work much better! Jet fuels is kinda pricey, plus jetskiis are much more nimble and quick! They make all sizes, and would be much cheaper and easier to stop than a heli![/quote]

Yes, the evap dome is probably less expensive to operate, and yes, the very latest technology as far as sonar and radar.

I think we could use a couple of harrier jets along with 2 bell helis that Kahuna mentioned.You would'nt want to just blast everybody out of the water-We keep the media on a tight chain-get to close to the craft and their deck gets blasted with water-cannon(Very power but if properly used,non-lethal, which will have political benefits)
One big-bad water gun can really raise havoc-saw Greenpeace use one on TV.
The jetskis would of course work in unison with the harriers, calling in air strikes on Pirates, smugglers or drug dealer enforcers or misguided LEO's who would be of course, out of their jurisdiction....

Has anybody thouht of an unused oil platform?
 
I picked the harrier because it can land in a small space easily and has bookoo hard points for rockets, miniguns, etc...
 
GeezerBudd said:
I picked the harrier because it can land in a small space easily and has bookoo hard points for rockets, miniguns, etc...

Isn't it easier just to sign a contract with an insurance firm and hire a private security company? XD
 
Cornellius said:
Isn't it easier just to sign a contract with an insurance firm and hire a private security company? XD

I would'nt do it.
Contracts are a PITA.
I think fellow growers would make more honest and dependable security.

Have you ever seen a contractor do EXACTLY what they are SUPPOSED TO DO without addendums and ammendments???

Gb
 

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