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drambouie

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ne one from ny state?

ne one know their methods of spotting grow rooms?

ive noticed they fly over with planes and the choppers will take a few rounds about 20 feet above every house, now whats the risk with 6sq feet and venting into the attick?????
 
drambouie said:
ne one from ny state?

ne one know their methods of spotting grow rooms?

ive noticed they fly over with planes and the choppers will take a few rounds about 20 feet above every house, now whats the risk with 6sq feet and venting into the attick?????
The last thing you have to worry about is leo :cop: trying to spot your grow from the air. They are not looking for a 6 plant grow they are looking for the 200 plant grows. We have been growing for about a year now with no problems "knock on wood". :D I deleted your other thread about the same question. ;)
 
no loose lips here

i was just wonderin cuz the state police come around a couple times a year always different times, and they get about 20 feet off the ground just above the power lines and hover around a few times

they do it to eveeeery one
 
Just like TBG said...looking for big grows if they are looking at all. Do you know how many saltwater fishtanks there are out there with HID lighting on 12 hour timers.;)
 
Keep'' Knockin On Wood'' TBG...You Should Know Why
 
They hover close to houses to look at plants around the yards... I have a neighbour with a HUGE garden of random plants n crap... they hovered there for 5 minutes looking around... infared detection however... does not need to be close... as long as it can see the target (line of sight) they can see heat. I have a $200 infared scope and it'll see 500 meters in total pitch black at nite.
 
Can infra red see through walls? how accute can it see? like if they were looking from the front of my house would they be able to see an orb of slightly higher heat(my whole 2'X4' closet) or would they be able to see the heat signature of the bulb and everything radiating out from it? ive heard as long as you dont vent outside and have solid walls(that arent exterior walls) around your grow, they really couldnt see it.
 
ShuttyMcShutShut said:
Can infra red see through walls? how accute can it see? like if they were looking from the front of my house would they be able to see an orb of slightly higher heat(my whole 2'X4' closet) or would they be able to see the heat signature of the bulb and everything radiating out from it? ive heard as long as you dont vent outside and have solid walls(that arent exterior walls) around your grow, they really couldnt see it.

Infared can see through walls easily... if heat escapes it'll see it.... insulation is a must... basically if one room is way warmer then the others... and ur place is suspected for mj growth... then u might receive a visit.... thas why u dont show neone.
 
most states have to have a warrant to use infrared??

what if they r mainly looking for outside grows, do the check infra red also??
 
what temps should u be concerned about??

would it be better to vent outside or into the attick??
 
drambouie said:
what temps should u be concerned about??

would it be better to vent outside or into the attick??
I try to keep my room as close to the temp. of the rest of the house as possible. Easier said than done, but very important so as not to stick out on the screen for LEO to see.;)
 
Seems to be quite alot of interest in this subject, gonna post a few tidbits for you guys to munch on:cool: .

High-Tech Camera Sees What Eye Cannot
New York Times


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Yellowstone - Hyperspectral imaging
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Tuesday, September 14, 1999

By Jim Robbins

COOKE CITY, Mont. -- A helicopter clatters loudly over the northeast corner of Yellowstone National Park, flying low and slow to snap images of the patchwork of creeks, meadows, pine and fir. But instead of an ordinary camera, the helicopter carries a device that uses detectors precisely made of crystal and kept by liquid nitrogen at minus 273 degrees Fahrenheit. Called a hyperspectral camera or a hyperspectral imaging spectrometer, it is one of a new generation of sensing instruments that experts predict will transform many areas, including ecosystem management, agriculture, diamond and gold mining, hazardous waste cleanup and even wild-land firefighting.

The $3 million camera, based on NASA technology, records far more than can be seen by the human eye or by the Landsat satellite, the state-of-the-art remote sensing technology. The human eye sees three bands in the visible spectrum -- red, green and blue -- while Landsat, called a multispectral instrument, records six bands of light. The hyperspectral instrument used in Yellowstone records 128 bands, in information blocks, or pixels, one meter square.

NASA also has a hyperspectral imager that records 224 bands, the Airborne Visible Infrared Imaging System, but because it is usually flown from an ER-2 spy plane at about 70,000 feet, its pixels are closer to 17 meters and contain fewer details, but still far more than current remote sensing technology.

"That's a revolution," said Robert O. Green, the experiment scientist and project manager for hyperspectral imaging at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., of the new technology. "It can't really be called remote sensing anymore; it's remote measurement."

Spectroscopy, which measures the visible or invisible spectrum from any source, is nothing new; chemists, astronomers and other scientists have used it for decades. But only recently have scientists gained the technology to record the data accurately from the air and the computer power to analyze it.

The detector is a sophisticated prism that picks up the light reflected off the molecules of the target and breaks it into 128 or 224 wavelengths. The number of photons in the light reflected back is counted for each spectra, and the values are plotted to create a distinctive spectral fingerprint for everything the camera sees, including vegetation, minerals, gases and liquids. The imaging not only picks up the difference between a pine tree and a fir tree but the difference between a healthy pine and one stressed by drought or incipient disease, even if it is invisible to the naked eye.

"There's a lot more going on out there on the land than we can see with other systems," said Joe Boardman of Analytical Imaging and Geophysics, a private hyperspectral imaging firm in Boulder, Colo., as he stood in a meadow waiting for the helicopter to land. "There are dozens of kinds of willows, different depths of the creek, the change of substrate in the creek from gravel to sand. Hyperspectral imaging can see these things. It's really high fidelity."

The hyperspectral image in the visible spectrum of red, green and blue will look no more detailed than a satellite photo. But even at a point where the visible image is a blur, the spectral fingerprint remains readable. Zooming in to one meter along a sandy stretch of river in Yellowstone, for example, a biologist is not able to look at the photo and identify the log that is there. Instead the computer takes the unique pattern of light reflected off the log and quickly matches it against a library of fingerprints that has been collected by researchers.

Almost instantly the computer identifies it as a log.

The computer allows the data to take any number of forms.

A few keystrokes can instantly turn all of the vegetation with the same spectral fingerprint in a photograph -- all of the logs, for example -- the same color, telling the researcher how much downed timber there is after a storm. A farmer can see which parts of his corn fields have not had enough fertilizer -- those sections are turned orange by the computer -- and can apply the chemical there and only there.

Unlike radar, hyperspectral technology cannot penetrate below ground, or through vegetation or buildings. But it can be combined with radar to make it even more potent. The challenge, researchers say, is how to manage and process the vast amounts of data.

The technology was developed starting in the late 1970's by two researchers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California, Gregg Vane and Alex Goetz. The space agency has put hyperspectral imaging equipment on two satellites, one in orbit around Jupiter and one on the Cassini satellite, now making its way to Saturn.

In the mid-1990's, powerful computers -- it takes terabytes, the next step up from gigabytes, to run the software -- enabled the technology to be brought out of the lab. A few private companies built their own hyperspectral cameras. And in the last two years, as NASA made the technology available, researchers and entrepreneurs like Mr. Boardman have written algorithms to use the technology for commercial and research projects. Last year NASA's Stennis Space Center awarded 10 two-year grants to test the real world effectiveness of the technology, including one to Yellowstone Ecosystem Studies, a nonprofit institute in Bozeman, Mont.

The grant enabled the institute to pay the $25,000-a-day rental fee for the hyperspectral equipment owned by Earth Search Sciences Inc. of McCall, Idaho.

The results of the imaging in Yellowstone, though preliminary, illustrate the change in store for biologists. As researchers match the airborne imagery with hyperspectral imaging taken from the ground, a process known as ground truthing, it is apparent that the detail is accurate enough to replace much of the information now gathered by hand.

"It's orders of magnitude faster than having biologists out on the landscape collecting information," said Dr. Robert Crabtree, science director of the Yellowstone Ecosystem Studies.

"As we start thinking about managing entire ecosystems, we have a scale of technology that fits the scale of an ecosystem."

With vegetation mapping, for example, field researchers can only sample small areas by hand and then make informed extrapolation on what the rest of a large area is like. Now the whole of Yellowstone Park will be known in great and accurate detail from the sky. Researchers can instantly learn if there is an important stand of white bark pine outside the park, which is critical to the protected grizzly bear, and whether that stand is stressed, diseased or healthy. Scientists predict that many field researchers will spend far less time on the ground and more time crunching data on a computer.

Several Federal agencies are using the technology to find noxious weeds on Federal land. In the Santa Monica Mountains, hyperspectral mapping is expected to change firefighting by creating a map of the vegetation that fuels fires.

The commercial impact could be enormous, particularly in the field of mineral exploration. While gold occurs in amounts too small to see with the technology, more common minerals like kaolinite and arsenic that are products of the same geologic processes that produce gold are clearly visible if the ground is relatively bare, as is the case in much of the American West or Australian desert. The diamond industry could also be transformed: suddenly, kimberlite pipes, the volcanic formations that brought diamonds to the surface in another geologic epoch, are easy to identify from the air.

Environmental enforcement has already benefited from the technology. In 1995 NASA flew Aviris over Leadville, Colo., a booming mining town in the 19th century that is now a 16-square-mile Superfund clean-up site. There are some 1,200 mining waste piles in the area, and the Environmental Protection Agency was looking at years of research to test each pile and figure out which ones were leaching high amounts of arsenic, cadmium and lead.

The NASA imager was able to collect the data in 45 seconds, although it took another 10 months to crunch the numbers.

"It's fantastic -- it told us exactly which piles we should spend our time on," said J. Sam Vance, remedial project manager at the Superfund site, and now on loan to the United States Geological Survey in Denver as part of a 10-person team to figure out new applications for the technology.

Mr. Vance estimated the imaging saved the E.P.A. more than $2 million at Leadville.

With the technology, Mr. Vance foresees an era in which polluting corporations can no longer hide behind a lack of knowledge. The camera can zoom over oil refineries and tell exactly where gasoline is leaking.

A steel plant smoke stack can be imaged to see exactly what gases are being emitted and whether they meet air quality standards. A colleague of Mr. Vance, Gregg Swayze, spectropocist at the Geological Survey, was looking at data from a flyover of Turquoise Lake in Colorado and saw a huge algae bloom in the lake. Federal officials went to investigate and found that an underwater pipe from the bathhouse was leaking, increasing the nutrient load and the growth of algae.

Research on global warming, too, may benefit. White bark pine, found in Yellowstone, is sensitive to warming.
 
The imaging might provide an early warning indicator for warming by showing a change in distribution and stress level.

It is tough to hide things from this type of camera.

At the moment, no hyperspectral imagers are routinely scanning the earth, but early next year NASA will send up a hyperspectral instrument on a satellite for that purpose, and the Australians plan to launch a satellite in 2001 with even more sophisticated technology that will record data from 70 percent of the Earth's surface.

The equipment will render virtually useless camouflage that is not natural and growing. Green plastic has different reflectant properties than natural vegetation out beyond the visible spectrum, and branches that have been cut and laid over a tank have a different fingerprint than growing vegetation. It could be used to find land mines. And there is obvious application for the Drug Enforcement Administration, seeking to detect marijuana and coca plants. In fact, researchers say, the technology is so powerful that it probably would have been classified had it come out of military research.

"NASA got ahead of intelligence," said Mr. Green of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. "They've gone a long way and it would be hard to classify it now."

One more:cool:
"Opportunity for Improvement

As technology has advanced, so have the sensors used on satellites and aircraft to sense the earth’s surface. In particular, the deployment of multispectral imagers (commonly called sensors) with a bandwidth of 100 nanometers (nm), has been improved on with the advent of hyperspectral sensors that have bandwidths of 10 nm; this is a significant advance in image resolution. Hyperspectral imagery provides sufficient spectral information to identify and distinguish between spectrally similar (but unique) material, thus more accurate and detailed information extraction from remotely sensed (RS) data is possible than from other types of RS data. Generally, hyperspectral imagery is utilized for target detection, material and mapping details of surface properties. For these specific applications hyperspectral imagery provides details and results not possible with other RS types of imagery. However, while there has been improvement, we are not yet able to distinguish with any degree of certainty the difference between plant types, for example, from an airborne platform."

from: Deconvolution of Plant Type(s) for Homeland Security Enforcement Using Remote Sensing on a UAV Collection Platform

James A. Tindall
 
At $3 million a piece and needing a computer with it to run it to analyse the data.... law enforcement is SOL for quite a few years.
 
But TGB I Still Luv Yah Bud .. i Wanna Stared Growing Buttt i Need To wait till i git a House i need to move out the Hood before i start. i Was Growing at the Back of my Apartment Few Plants no To much And the Hurricane Killed Them they where in my Shed But they Still Died Better Luck Next Time i Guess
 

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