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sumwhiteguy

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This is my first time growing and I am concerned about the way these are looking. I have them under a 400w HPS and the air temp is around 85deg. I have them set to be watered every 2 hours for 10 min at a time. Any one have any suggestons???

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sumwhiteguy said:
This is my first time growing and I am concerned about the way these are looking. I have them under a 400w HPS and the air temp is around 85deg. I have them set to be watered every 2 hours for 10 min at a time. Any one have any suggestons???

Yo, give some basic info with your pics, distance from light, pH of your water, is it straight water, how old are these? It looks like you trimmed some of the leaves, were they exhibiting 'nute burn' if you are using nutes, a yellow and burning effect on the tips of the leaves?
 
The PH of the water is 5.8. I got these on friday from a dispensary. they were cliped when i got them. the light is about 30" from the plants. I am using Aqua Flakes nuets at about half strength.
 
I don't know crap about hydro...I just wanted to say I love the avatar!!!.. LOL LOLOLOLL peter griffen...lolololol

the leaf tips are trimmed cause they were clones, sorry I can't help...I never heard of that nute before though...could you give some detail on it?
 
theres something wrong and if theyr not given the rght conditions they'll die. try and put the light farther away cuz the more light the more stress the harder the plant recovers, slow things down for them to allow them to recover. try with PH of 6-6.3 think 5.8 may be low for some strains. dump your res and fill a new fresh one and feed them every hour when lights are on cuz your pots ar small they might evaporate quick hence raising concentration of ferts and burning the plants. they need help good luck
 
sumwhiteguy Like I said I don't know anything about hydro, but I would be leary of anything that this ZEM fellow is saying, he has been putting false advice in other areas of the site...notice the red below his name, that is because he has given out less then optimal advice. I'm not saying he's wrong either, I don't know about hydro...but hopefully some people with a little better reputation than him will chime in here...I just don't want to see you do something because someone with bad rep told you to...wait and get some advice from some of the more reputable hydro growers before you change your ph.
 
IMHO, i think that you are overwatering them. i have my timers set to water 5 times a day for 15 minutes spread over the "daylight" period. so, that's 15 minutes every 3.6 hours or so. but maybe the 10 minutes every two hours makes up that difference...i dont know.

i wouldnt change the pH of the water. 5.8 is what you want.
 
zem said:
theres something wrong and if theyr not given the rght conditions they'll die. try and put the light farther away cuz the more light the more stress the harder the plant recovers, slow things down for them to allow them to recover. try with PH of 6-6.3 think 5.8 may be low for some strains. dump your res and fill a new fresh one and feed them every hour when lights are on cuz your pots ar small they might evaporate quick hence raising concentration of ferts and burning the plants. they need help good luck

LOL....oh really? Are you sure about this advice you are giving out? The more light the more stress? A ph of 6.3 for hydro?? Feed them every hour??? :eek:
 
Hamster Lewis said:
LOL....oh really? Are you sure about this advice you are giving out? The more light the more stress? A ph of 6.3 for hydro?? Feed them every hour??? :eek:
umm yeah i'm sure, the more light watts the plant is gettin the more ferts it needs to suck in the faster its growth rate the harder the recovery and all strains would grow at 6.3PH but not all plants like 5.8 and the feeding part i explained clearly, why not tell me where you believe me wrong
 
im not sure whats its called but the water pumps up from a resavour underneath. after 10 min it drains back. this happenes every 2 hours. i will try watering them less. in everything i have read i have never seen 6.3ph. everything ive seen says 5.8
 
zem said:
umm yeah i'm sure, the more light watts the plant is gettin the more ferts it needs to suck in the faster its growth rate the harder the recovery and all strains would grow at 6.3PH but not all plants like 5.8 and the feeding part i explained clearly, why not tell me where you believe me wrong

Optimal Ph is different when growing in soil compared to Hydro...a good ph for hydro is 5.8...for soil it wld be 6.5....
As for the whole nute thing..you are the guy who thinks that you can not use hydro nutes in soil....enough said
 
sumwhiteguy said:
im not sure whats its called but the water pumps up from a resavour underneath. after 10 min it drains back. this happenes every 2 hours. i will try watering them less. in everything i have read i have never seen 6.3ph. everything ive seen says 5.8

Dude it's 5.8...don't listen to what this guy is saying
 
yes. pH of 5.8 for hydro is absolutely correct. what i do is i have marked the top of my res and each morning i top it off with plain water (i'm using distilled water, my tap water bloze) and then adjust the pH up or down to 5.8
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as for the watering schedule someone else will need to chime in. i use the drip method of hydro. you're plants just look a bit overwatered to me.
 
dang Ham...that moron has posted bad info in like 5 or 6 different spots now I think....I'm wondering if he really believes his crap, or if he is someone just screwing around...lol...it's bad enough when the guys who KNOW what they are talking about give a new guy different oppinions, but if they have to worry about someone giving them just straight up WRONG stuff...they are bound to get confused! Thanks for the back up, I've been posting after every post he put up, telling people not to listen to him.
 
yes everywhere i read about hydro they say 5.8 but i have seen problems with these levels occaisionally it depends on your strain every strain likes a different PH level but all strains will be ok at 6-6.3 range i'm tellin the newb not to push things to limits and try to ease it on his plants cuz they look bad and if they keep deteriorating it'll soon be too late. why not try and help him instead of bitching at my posts?

dude you do flood and drain you should water them more not less! damn do watever you want but if they die on you you'll know who to believe good luck
 
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sumwhiteguy Your plants look like they have heat stress to me..lower your temps and move your light back till you feel no heat on the back of your hand...For hydro, in your case a flood and drain/ebb and flow system, 5.8 is the ideal pH. I set my pH at 5.6 and let it drift up to 6.0 before changing the res out
 
check your water level maybe ? that bin looks kinda tall for an E&F system...as for overwatering, i don't see that a possibility as you are in hydroton.. i use a fill time of 1 hr every 3 hrs (8x a day) lights on and off, veg and flower..i don't know what aqua flake is but if you're a noob, go get the GH 3 part...it's too easy.it's also what alot of pro's use. check your PPM's...plants that size normaly need between 100 and 200 PPM's of the 3 part.airstones are very important too. i use 4 2" round stones on a 140 gph pump in a 70 gal res. try adjusting to 5.6 or even 5.5 but no lower..you don't have that little yellow P.O.S hanna champ do you ? if so ,throw it at something you hate and buy the HANNA WATERPROOF...it's what i use and it never lets me down.
 
and temps under 80f are ideal 85 is gettin up there
 
sumwhiteguy,

In the future, you might co0nsider posting your questions that involve hydro in the hydroponics section. You can of course post anywhere you want to, but the reason there is a hydro section is so the hydro specialists can deal with hydro questions without a bunch of "I don't know about hydro cause I just grow in dirt but..." posts.

I'm not an expert on anything and haven't grown hydro yet, but am heading that way quickly as soon as I can afford to finish setting it up,so I follow the hydro section a lot. Everything I have seen anywhere says for hydro, which is what you have, you want to be as low as 5.6 and as high as 6.0 with the best starting point being 5.8.

Something else you want to remember is if the plants are only in your system for a day or two,it is very hard to tell what is going on because we have no idea what has been being done to them. Dispensaries or clubs are NOT ALWAYS reliable sources of information, seeds or clones. Depending upon the skill and integrity of the operators they can be worthless or very valuable.

There is usually a reason why "everyone" is telling you some thing and then there is some new member contradicting it. Did you notice that ZEM the great has only been a member for less than a month and without establishing any credibility has been posting crap and ruffling feathers? Be very cautious and suspicious of anyone how starts talking in absolutes, especially if it contradicts accepted knowledge and experience.

If I'm making an unwarranted assumption, then forgive me, but you sound like a total newcomer to growing in any medium, correct? IF you are starting out on hydro then you need to devour EVERY ONE OF THE RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES WITH HYDRO because it is a lot more sensitive than soil. And you ned to do it NOW before you kill your clones. Also, try to tke your pictures under normal light because the HPS really throws the color off to a lot of us. The older more experienced may be able to adjust their vision to account for it but a lot of us aren't that good.

In addition to the hydro section, another section to follow is Sick Plants if you think there is something wrong. There are some very sharp members on that section when it comes to diagnosing plant problems.

Now having ran my mouth so to speak, I have only been growing since May 2009, but research for months before I even started, found a couple of experienced local growers to use as mentors and then started following the threads that dealt with what I wanted to know and most importantly THOUGHT about what I was told and asked myself if it made sense. If it didn't I kept asking for clarification without arguing until I finally understood it. Based on that way of doing things I have gotten a good reputation, often times more than what I think I deserve, but the reputation comes from the response of the other members towards your postings so I guess I must accept the reputation they have bestowed on me. The point here is that you can grow for years and kind of just stumble along ignorant as heck and even get pretty good results or you can study and learn and become very knowledgeable in a fairly short time like I did -- but remember there is NO substituted for experience! I've made some real stupid decisions that have cost me dearly because I missed one little thing that everyone knew and just assumed that I knew so didn't mention it.

An example is I was running a 100% success ratio on my clones all late spring and early summer and then went to a 0% ratio. It was my totally inexperienced and uneducated as regard to growing MJ other half that figured out that the temp in my cloning room had dropped from the high 70s /80s to below 65F at the same time I started loosing every clone. Since then I have started heating the area and my success ratio is back up -- it is too early to give numbers, all because she was able to distance her thinking from all of the possible causes and look for what had changed. This oversight of something very basic cost me 3 varieties that I really wanted to keep that are "outlaw" local varieties only readily available in clones and with no current source of reliable replacement clones. And her insight enabled me to save the other one that was nearly gone, because when I started warming up the area, 4 of them pulled through and are growing real well in Perlite rapidly approaching time to transplant them.

WELCOME TO THE FORUMS AND PLEASE DO NOT BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT BE READY TO LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS. If they don't make sense then either ask for clarification or just ignore it because you will not gain anything trying to change someone's mind unless they want to change it!

Get into those resources and the hydro section ASAP and you'll be okay. Remember, until we started messing with the genetics, cross breeding and hybridizing them, pot plants were basically weeds that grew naturally all by themselves nearly all over the world, so while you can kill them, you will probably be most likely to love them to death and over water and feed them.

Good smoking man. I look forward to seeing you around and successful fo ra long time.
 
zem said:
yes everywhere i read about hydro they say 5.8 but i have seen problems with these levels occaisionally it depends on your strain every strain likes a different PH level but all strains will be ok at 6-6.3 range i'm tellin the newb not to push things to limits and try to ease it on his plants cuz they look bad and if they keep deteriorating it'll soon be too late. why not try and help him instead of bitching at my posts?

dude you do flood and drain you should water them more not less! damn do watever you want but if they die on you you'll know who to believe good luck

Are you sure you are not thinking about ppms? The rate of growth has nothing at all to do with pH levels--strain only does to a very very small extent. PH has to do with how you are growing--soil or hydro. The reason that the pH is kept in the 5.8 (say 5.4 to 6.0) range for hydro is that at other levels the nutes get locked up and are not available to the plants at all. This is a fact and is not really not disputable.
 

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