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If you are trying to get rid of spidermites then I vote for predators as they are the natural way.
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predators if you wanna do it organically, although sprays r more immediate but prob have to be done repeadedly, which is "worse".
I'd get some lady bugs or predator mites
I'd get some lady bugs or predator mites
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I had some mites... and let just like 5 ladybugs in my growroom and they never got outta hand. But then the ladybugs started to die, and the spider mites started to grow in numbers
. Later on I found a spider was eating it's share. So through the spider outside, and had to hunt down more ladybugs. But I did have to use a spray. And now I am back to a handful of ladybugs to keep the lil turds at bay. Because, I don't know if this is true... but unless you have no plants around, and wipe EVERYTHING down with bleach... they will never go away. They always seem to come back.
So preds are great... as long as they are not food... or overwhelmed by too many pests. So if you just got a couple... hurry and get something done. You have to keep the numbers down. Try and scan as many leaves as possible. Crush them, remember you are bigger than these things.
A 100X microscope with a light on it is available for $10 at Radio Shack. They are GREAT! This way you can see your enemy, stalk, and then attack ok I am sorry. Been doing 12 hour shifts every single day and on swing shift. My head needs rest, thank god for weekends. Well thank god for bud, and thank bud for weekends lol. That works for me. :holysheep:
. Later on I found a spider was eating it's share. So through the spider outside, and had to hunt down more ladybugs. But I did have to use a spray. And now I am back to a handful of ladybugs to keep the lil turds at bay. Because, I don't know if this is true... but unless you have no plants around, and wipe EVERYTHING down with bleach... they will never go away. They always seem to come back. So preds are great... as long as they are not food... or overwhelmed by too many pests. So if you just got a couple... hurry and get something done. You have to keep the numbers down. Try and scan as many leaves as possible. Crush them, remember you are bigger than these things.
A 100X microscope with a light on it is available for $10 at Radio Shack. They are GREAT! This way you can see your enemy, stalk, and then attack ok I am sorry. Been doing 12 hour shifts every single day and on swing shift. My head needs rest, thank god for weekends. Well thank god for bud, and thank bud for weekends lol. That works for me. :holysheep:
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Neem oil is organic too.
If they are not in flower, get yourself a bucket and fill it up with water and make the appropriate solution, then just turn the plant upside down and dunk the whole plant in the bucket. Leave no space unturned for the little blighters.
If they are not in flower, get yourself a bucket and fill it up with water and make the appropriate solution, then just turn the plant upside down and dunk the whole plant in the bucket. Leave no space unturned for the little blighters.
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I hear mantis work great too, you can buy them in an egg form and then get it to hatch and you have between 100 and 200 from the one egg i believe.
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Once you finish your grow though, I would clean everytning out thoroughly and then spray every surface with neem or whatever, then throughout growing just mist every surface but the plant and then they won't even get to the plants.
I am using Neem with excellent results. I mix it in a rose garden sprayer with a wand sprayer attachemnt. I mix the Neem with Cocoa-Wet so it will adhere to the leaves better. I spray the entire plant, especially the underside of the leaves (the wand makes this easy).
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NSP's do it every time...my shed is only 4x8x8 and I use 2 each season just in case...
i myself prefer preditors if if you can catch the little buggers in timed have you ever tasted that neem oil stuff yuk i would rather let mother nature take care of the problem lady bugs and mantisis are more all around preditors were as if you use preditor mites thats more a direct aproach by using a mix called triple threat there was no sighn of pests in 12 days once there is no food for the preditors there is no need to remove they will canabilize or simply die of starvation
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i found this info on neem oil thought i would share it
LOW KNOCKDOWN - HIGH SHUTDOWN
Neem contains several active ingredients, of which the most important is Azadirachtin. It has been estimated that Azadirachtin accounts for up to 90% of the bioactivity of neem, but there is so much synergism at work in this pesticidal cocktail of four major and twenty minor active components, that it is impossible to quantify a percentage.
Neem compounds bear no resemblance to synthetic pesticides. They are composed only of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen and contain none of the chlorine, phosphorus, sulfur or nitrogen atoms found in synthetic chemicals. Chemically neem resembles steroid compounds like cortisone and oral contraceptives, and there is a very different mode of action compared to the conventional Wham, bam, thank you Maam! of the toxic knockdowns. In most cases neem extracts are not knockdown killers. Instead they create hormonal disruption, which prevents the insect from feeding, breeding or metamorphosing. It is a far more subtle process, which eventually prevents the insect from causing further damage. It is a hormonal shutdown rather than an instant knockdown.
HORMONAL LOOK-ALIKES ALLOW EASY ACCESS
The active compounds in neem belong to a general class of natural products called Triterpenes, or more specifically, limonoids. There are at least ten limonoids in neem, but the most researched of these are Azadirachtin, Salannin, Meliantriol and Nimbin.
Azadirachtin is the most significant of these. Thirty years of research suggest that Azadirachtin is one of the most potent growth regulators and feeding deterrents ever tested. It is in fact so potent that quantities as low as 1 ppm (part per million) will totally repel some insects. Meliantriol and Salannin are powerful feeding inhibitors, while Nimbin has been found to have antiviral activity.
Neem compounds have a very similar shape and structure to several critical insect hormones. This look-alike feature tricks the insects bodies into absorbing the neem compounds as if they were the vital hormones. The neem infiltrators shut down the endocrine systems, and the hormonal chaos that follows sees populations plummet
LOW KNOCKDOWN - HIGH SHUTDOWN
Neem contains several active ingredients, of which the most important is Azadirachtin. It has been estimated that Azadirachtin accounts for up to 90% of the bioactivity of neem, but there is so much synergism at work in this pesticidal cocktail of four major and twenty minor active components, that it is impossible to quantify a percentage.
Neem compounds bear no resemblance to synthetic pesticides. They are composed only of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen and contain none of the chlorine, phosphorus, sulfur or nitrogen atoms found in synthetic chemicals. Chemically neem resembles steroid compounds like cortisone and oral contraceptives, and there is a very different mode of action compared to the conventional Wham, bam, thank you Maam! of the toxic knockdowns. In most cases neem extracts are not knockdown killers. Instead they create hormonal disruption, which prevents the insect from feeding, breeding or metamorphosing. It is a far more subtle process, which eventually prevents the insect from causing further damage. It is a hormonal shutdown rather than an instant knockdown.
HORMONAL LOOK-ALIKES ALLOW EASY ACCESS
The active compounds in neem belong to a general class of natural products called Triterpenes, or more specifically, limonoids. There are at least ten limonoids in neem, but the most researched of these are Azadirachtin, Salannin, Meliantriol and Nimbin.
Azadirachtin is the most significant of these. Thirty years of research suggest that Azadirachtin is one of the most potent growth regulators and feeding deterrents ever tested. It is in fact so potent that quantities as low as 1 ppm (part per million) will totally repel some insects. Meliantriol and Salannin are powerful feeding inhibitors, while Nimbin has been found to have antiviral activity.
Neem compounds have a very similar shape and structure to several critical insect hormones. This look-alike feature tricks the insects bodies into absorbing the neem compounds as if they were the vital hormones. The neem infiltrators shut down the endocrine systems, and the hormonal chaos that follows sees populations plummet
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REPULSION, REGULATION, DISRUPTION AND DETERRENCE
- SEVEN DISTINCT MODES OF ACTION
Neem limonoids produce seven distinct modes of action, and they include the following:
1) Feeding Deterrence: This is the most commercially significant property of neem. The presence of Azadirachtin, Salannin and Melantriol on the leaf surface disrupts the gut of leaf-eating insects, creating the equivalent of a vomiting sensation. The associated feeding deterrence is so profound that, after experiencing the sensation, many species will never eat again.
2) Insect Growth Regulation: Ecdysis or moulting is the shedding of skin to facilitate the growth stages of larvae or nymphs, and it is governed by the enzyme Ectyzone. Neem suppresses Ectyzone, and the insect becomes trapped in the larval stage, eventually causing death. If there are insufficient neem triterpenes present, the larvae may enter the pupal stage, but dies soon after, and if in the presence of very low neem concentrations, the adult emerges from the pupal stage sterile and malformed.
3) The disruption of mating and sexual behaviour: It is not known if independent hormonal disruption is responsible for this complete confusion in mating routines or if the insects just feel so bad that they are sexually incapacitated. Whatever the cause, the end result is a population retarding effect and is probably quite hilarious.
4) Oviposition Deterrence: Neem also reduces pest populations by deterring females from laying eggs - a phenomenon called oviposition deterrence.
5) Repulsion: Neem oil contains several sulfur-like compounds that can repulse insects in much the same way as garlic sprays. Some insects are particularly susceptible to this repulse response, while others cannot detect neem by taste and do not find it repulsive.
6) Adult sterilisation: Most susceptible males are sterilised by neem compounds, and many of the female species are similarly affected. The sterilisation of eggs has also been recorded.
7) The poisoning of larvae and adults: As previously mentioned, neem does not have a universal knockdown capacity. However, there are some species, including mosquito larvae, fruitfly and headlice, which are killed on contact.
There are also other less important modes of action, which include the blocking of the ability to swallow and the inhibition of the formation of chitin (the hard section covering the exosceleton).
NEEM-AFFECTED INSECTS
Some 390 insect species are affected by neem extracts, including many that are resistant to conventional pesticides. There is such a complex interrelationship between the many components of the neem compound that, to date, there has never been a recorded case of developed neem resistance. This may not prove the case when refined Azadirachtin products hit the market in the future. When man tries to dilute and simplify natural phenomena, there are often unanticipated consequences.
- SEVEN DISTINCT MODES OF ACTION
Neem limonoids produce seven distinct modes of action, and they include the following:
1) Feeding Deterrence: This is the most commercially significant property of neem. The presence of Azadirachtin, Salannin and Melantriol on the leaf surface disrupts the gut of leaf-eating insects, creating the equivalent of a vomiting sensation. The associated feeding deterrence is so profound that, after experiencing the sensation, many species will never eat again.
2) Insect Growth Regulation: Ecdysis or moulting is the shedding of skin to facilitate the growth stages of larvae or nymphs, and it is governed by the enzyme Ectyzone. Neem suppresses Ectyzone, and the insect becomes trapped in the larval stage, eventually causing death. If there are insufficient neem triterpenes present, the larvae may enter the pupal stage, but dies soon after, and if in the presence of very low neem concentrations, the adult emerges from the pupal stage sterile and malformed.
3) The disruption of mating and sexual behaviour: It is not known if independent hormonal disruption is responsible for this complete confusion in mating routines or if the insects just feel so bad that they are sexually incapacitated. Whatever the cause, the end result is a population retarding effect and is probably quite hilarious.
4) Oviposition Deterrence: Neem also reduces pest populations by deterring females from laying eggs - a phenomenon called oviposition deterrence.
5) Repulsion: Neem oil contains several sulfur-like compounds that can repulse insects in much the same way as garlic sprays. Some insects are particularly susceptible to this repulse response, while others cannot detect neem by taste and do not find it repulsive.
6) Adult sterilisation: Most susceptible males are sterilised by neem compounds, and many of the female species are similarly affected. The sterilisation of eggs has also been recorded.
7) The poisoning of larvae and adults: As previously mentioned, neem does not have a universal knockdown capacity. However, there are some species, including mosquito larvae, fruitfly and headlice, which are killed on contact.
There are also other less important modes of action, which include the blocking of the ability to swallow and the inhibition of the formation of chitin (the hard section covering the exosceleton).
NEEM-AFFECTED INSECTS
Some 390 insect species are affected by neem extracts, including many that are resistant to conventional pesticides. There is such a complex interrelationship between the many components of the neem compound that, to date, there has never been a recorded case of developed neem resistance. This may not prove the case when refined Azadirachtin products hit the market in the future. When man tries to dilute and simplify natural phenomena, there are often unanticipated consequences.
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Imagine a soil drench.......1 Teaspoon (5 ml.) to a quart (Liter) of water is the usual recommendation... as a "Soil Drench."
A few drops of liquid dish soap to emulsify the solution.
If using Soil/Organics and biological activity is still desired, do not use dishsoaps labeled antibacterial as they contain the chemical "Triclosan" which is very effective as an anti-bacterial, anti-Fungal agent)
Research has shown that neem has some systemic action in plants, meaning that the plants absorb it. When applied...to soils, neem can be taken up by the roots of some plants and translocated to other parts of the plant. Neem may remain active in the soil up to four weeks, depending on soil conditions.
When neem is applied to plant foliage, its systemic action is limitednew foliage must be sprayed periodically for adequate protection.
A few drops of liquid dish soap to emulsify the solution.
If using Soil/Organics and biological activity is still desired, do not use dishsoaps labeled antibacterial as they contain the chemical "Triclosan" which is very effective as an anti-bacterial, anti-Fungal agent)
Research has shown that neem has some systemic action in plants, meaning that the plants absorb it. When applied...to soils, neem can be taken up by the roots of some plants and translocated to other parts of the plant. Neem may remain active in the soil up to four weeks, depending on soil conditions.
When neem is applied to plant foliage, its systemic action is limitednew foliage must be sprayed periodically for adequate protection.
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For many centuries people have called the Neem Tree in India the "Village Pharmacy."
The Neem Tree provided a source of relief from pain, fever and infections. People cleaned their teeth with Neem twigs and used the Juice from the leaf to treat skin problems. Neem contains nimbin and nimbidin which are natural sources of antibacterial, anti-fungal, antiviral and antiseptic properties. They also have properties which stimulate the immune system and prevent conception. Most of the healing properties are used in a topical manner, however when added to mouthwashes or toothpaste it prevents cavities and gingivitis. In topical creams it fights off skin infections and inflammation. Neem based lotions kill lice, ringworm, scabies and prevent athlete's foot. Undiluted Neem Oil repels insects such as mosquitoes, ticks, flies, mites, and caterpillars.
The history and data for its uses are too numerous to mention but it does have a purpose in the gardening industry. For years people in India watched as plagues of caterpillars or locusts devoured the foliage on trees in forests, jungles and yards. The only trees left untouched were the Neem trees. Visitors noticed flies and insects everywhere but the yards and parks. With Neem, trees were comfortably absent of these pests. Neem oils and Neem products do not kill most insects but rather repel them or alter the habitat so they no longer feed, breed or metamorphosis. Plants treated with Neem Oil seemed to withstand infection by a host of pathogens that could normally wipe out a crop. Again it's antibacterial, anti-fungal, antiviral and antiseptic properties seem to play a major role. Plants sprayed with a foliar spray appear to benefit from its nutritional properties and complex components.
Neem interferes with an insect's life but is not harmful to birds or warm-blooded animals or humans. In several experiments insects such as silk worms were placed in escape proof rooms and fed mulberry leaves treated or untreated with Neem 0il. The insects in the treated room would starve to death before they would devour any leaves treated with Neem Oil.
More recently countries such as Africa have begun to farm the Neem tree for commercial production, Neem Oil is now available in Canada from several reputable horticultural companies. Neem Oil will become thick or gel at cooler temperatures. By placing in warm water it soon becomes a flowable liquid again. A few drops of Neem Oil mixed with a drop or two of gentle surfactant and mixed with water provides a natural bug repellent spray considered suitable for use on organically produced crops.
Neem Oil is available under many trade names or just sold as Neem Oil in health food stores, natural cosmetic stores or garden shops
The Neem Tree provided a source of relief from pain, fever and infections. People cleaned their teeth with Neem twigs and used the Juice from the leaf to treat skin problems. Neem contains nimbin and nimbidin which are natural sources of antibacterial, anti-fungal, antiviral and antiseptic properties. They also have properties which stimulate the immune system and prevent conception. Most of the healing properties are used in a topical manner, however when added to mouthwashes or toothpaste it prevents cavities and gingivitis. In topical creams it fights off skin infections and inflammation. Neem based lotions kill lice, ringworm, scabies and prevent athlete's foot. Undiluted Neem Oil repels insects such as mosquitoes, ticks, flies, mites, and caterpillars.
The history and data for its uses are too numerous to mention but it does have a purpose in the gardening industry. For years people in India watched as plagues of caterpillars or locusts devoured the foliage on trees in forests, jungles and yards. The only trees left untouched were the Neem trees. Visitors noticed flies and insects everywhere but the yards and parks. With Neem, trees were comfortably absent of these pests. Neem oils and Neem products do not kill most insects but rather repel them or alter the habitat so they no longer feed, breed or metamorphosis. Plants treated with Neem Oil seemed to withstand infection by a host of pathogens that could normally wipe out a crop. Again it's antibacterial, anti-fungal, antiviral and antiseptic properties seem to play a major role. Plants sprayed with a foliar spray appear to benefit from its nutritional properties and complex components.
Neem interferes with an insect's life but is not harmful to birds or warm-blooded animals or humans. In several experiments insects such as silk worms were placed in escape proof rooms and fed mulberry leaves treated or untreated with Neem 0il. The insects in the treated room would starve to death before they would devour any leaves treated with Neem Oil.
More recently countries such as Africa have begun to farm the Neem tree for commercial production, Neem Oil is now available in Canada from several reputable horticultural companies. Neem Oil will become thick or gel at cooler temperatures. By placing in warm water it soon becomes a flowable liquid again. A few drops of Neem Oil mixed with a drop or two of gentle surfactant and mixed with water provides a natural bug repellent spray considered suitable for use on organically produced crops.
Neem Oil is available under many trade names or just sold as Neem Oil in health food stores, natural cosmetic stores or garden shops
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The stuff smells bad enough, not had the misfortune to taste it on a bud, I wouldn't spray any kinda insect killer on a flowering plant, only on a vegin one.
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Also remember When purchasing your neem product, make certain it is pure neem oil and not hydrophobic extract of neem. The hydrophobic extract has little Azadirachtin in it
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Sticky_Budz said:
I know you got lots of reps and everything but just so i don't misunderstand. Are you saying that the neem oil has an extract in it that is afraid of water?
thanks budz have you had to use neem and what did you think of it i think that its a lot easer to let the bugs take care of the plants than have to wipe every leaf with neem oil or any other poison besides they can become immune to other types of poison im lazy and thank you for the imfomation that you sent
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