New LED's

[cadlakmike1]

Interesting comparison wasn't it? Don't they usually compare the UFO to a 400 watt HPS? I would have liked to see the final yield if they didn't give the LED side a chance to catch up.

I would also be really interested to see a micro LST grow using LED's, I think this would work well and probably give similar results to HID being that canopy penetration isn't as important in that situation.

Like I said earlier, I like LED's and think they have a strong future in growing, I just don't think they are there yet. I have seen other vegetables successfully grown under LED's but nothing that gets tall or has a canopy that need penetrated for better results. I've seen beans and cabbage and lettuce grown with excellent results with LED's but they are such a smaller plant it does make a difference.

I hope this thread continues because I have read some really interesting information here, we don't need to call names or yell. Anyone can show why something should theoretically should work on paper, but it needs to be implemented and proved. I was interested to read how much wasted light comes off of my MH and HPS but I just cut almost 2 ounces off one 24" plant (400w MH and HPS), if I'm wasting light I would be amazed to see what a 100% efficient light would be capable of.

I love to see new advancements in this field that I love. Who knows what technology will be out in ten years from now. I hope that MH and HPS is considered outdated and that some new light will emerge that is efficient, powerful, cheap and doesn't put off heat. Maybe it will be LED's, maybe not, I guess we will have to wait and see.

northernlightssmokn, the grow you have going does look great, you obviously are doing something right. I just have to wonder given the same amount of money that the setup you have would cost most of us retail, would it be better, worse or the same with hid's? I don't know how cheap you were able to get those lights but I know how much they would cost me and I think personally my money would be better spent on MH/HPS. (actually I spent a lot less and only grow a few plants at a time in a 6 square foot area) Good Luck to all and happy growing!

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

I just have to wonder given the same amount of money that the setup you have would cost most of us retail, would it be better, worse or the same with hid's? I don't know how cheap you were able to get those lights but I know how much they would cost me and I think personally my money would be better spent on MH/HPS. (actually I spent a lot less and only grow a few plants at a time in a 6 square foot area) Good Luck to all and happy growing!

He could have had several thousand watts of HPS for the same price, and completely blown that LED grow away. Even a single 1000 with a room A/C (if there is a heat problem) would have easily surpassed it.

 

[WeedHopper]

Ya know man it really boils down to one thing. ,,,,,,,,{Yeild=money spent},,,,,,''''Thats Simple Economics 101''''
If I am getting a better yeild for less money(HIDS or Floras),,what the hell would I wanna go and pay more for(LEDS) to get less? That is not logical and does not compute for those of us who have to watch our money or like saving our money for more BEANS.
When and IF,,,they ever get LEDS Yeild and COST ,,,,, comparable to HIDs and Floras,,I will be the 1st inline to buy them..Untill then,,I dont get it unless ya just have alot of money and want to experiment. If so thats great. I have watched all the LED grows on this forum. They are all very interesting and cool,,but so are all the others. I think the fighting is pretty stupid.

 

[whiterussian]

If i was a mod i woulda deleted this thread ages ago... or delete a user. =)

Well, we're trying to proove a point, is that against the rules? :ignore: There's no threats, ect, and why would you want to delete such a good arguement about leds vs hid?? it obviously answered a lot of questions, or maybe the reason why no one deleted it, was because theres nothing wrong here.

 

[whiterussian]

Ya know man it really boils down to one thing. ,,,,,,,,{Yeild=money spent},,,,,,''''Thats Simple Economics 101''''
If I am getting a better yeild for less money(HIDS or Floras),,what the hell would I wanna go and pay more for(LEDS) to get less? That is not logical and does not compute for those of us who have to watch our money or like saving our money for more BEANS.
When and IF,,,they ever get LEDS Yeild and COST ,,,,, comparable to HIDs and Floras,,I will be the 1st inline to buy them..Untill then,,I dont get it unless ya just have alot of money and want to experiment. If so thats great. I have watched all the LED grows on this forum. They are all very interesting and cool,,but so are all the others. I think the fighting is pretty stupid.

Shh watch out "Kade" might wish he was a mod again and delete you :rofl:

 

[pimpdaddycoolz]

I haven't checked this in like a week but i did notice HEMPGODDESS and some others opted out of responding anymore.(just some thanked post) LOL

Look, like she said, its not a big deal... LED's are experimental. Its not something that someone new to growing should neccesarily go out and spend a bunch of money on. NOT TO SAY THEY DONT WORK northernlightssmokn! so please, no more rude comments. Im not trying to offend you, neither is anyone else. You use LEDS and thats fine, if it works for you, it works for you!

HPS has been around much longer and is proven to grow some nice buds. With time, LEDS will be better. Thats becomming more apparent.

I think that we should all drop it! Im sure that ross has enough information available on this post alone to make a decision on whats best for him.

But i will say that Whiterussian and i got into it about a month ago on a post... He's my new best friend!!!! hahahaha just kidding but he's pretty D**N funny!

 

[Lemmongrass]

ya know i remember paying $3 for each "superbright" led and up to $6/led for special colors back when i did computer case modding about 5 or so years ago. and those"super bright" leds weren't half as bright as the ones used on these lights. my first one in the late 90's had 15 purple and amber leds, both being odd colors, it cost me over or around $85! they were only 4v leds too.

its all just a matter of time. remember how rare clear/bright leds were in 1999? all there were on the market was the red green yellow ones used for power lights and ****.

We have the power!:holysheep:

 

[Friend-of-a-friend]

I seen a link on youtube where a guy used like a gazillion leds to grow 1 plant. The guy got good results, but the LEDS arent practical for a large grow....or even moderate grow. JMO.

 

[Hick]

Well, we're trying to proove a point, is that against the rules? :ignore: There's no threats, ect, and why would you want to delete such a good arguement about leds vs hid?? it obviously answered a lot of questions, or maybe the reason why no one deleted it, was because theres nothing wrong here.

When it elevates to an "arguement" it becomes useless and WILL be deleted. As long as the discussion.. remains civil and informative/usefull, it can remain.
The argumentative posts have been deleted for the most part.
Discussion, experimintation, shareing the results is good. Name calling, slander and mudslinging is NOT..

 

[northernlightssmokn]

When it elevates to an "arguement" it becomes useless and WILL be deleted. As long as the discussion.. remains civil and informative/usefull, it can remain.
The argumentative posts have been deleted for the most part.
Discussion, experimintation, shareing the results is good. Name calling, slander and mudslinging is NOT..

Thanks hick!! I am guilty myself of flairing up too. What gets me is the noncense threads for example...

My hid will blow away your led...
led's suck...jmo
a waiste of money..

These are one liners put in by people that have never used or seen LED's before...these one liners are not needed and drag down a thread..

pot grows itself, we just perfect it... LED's are fine for personal grows. Infact, if your a commercial grower and post on here, i find that more nieve than people who go to youtube and post or search for pot vid's.
Led's arent for big growers. big growers grow more than theyre state law allows anyway. My state says no prosicution under 20 plants.... I never do more than a handfull..infact usualy its 4 in flower and 4 in veg...1 mom.
PERFECT for led's...jmo...

 

[HydroManiac]

Well hick northern has almost proved them wrong but I still feel with his results all ready he has proved LED's work in a safe space I congratulate him and all the people working with him on his work congrats man

 

[northernlightssmokn]

I
NOT TO SAY THEY DONT WORK northernlightssmokn! so please, no more rude comments.
I think that we should all drop it!

Pimp...most of the flaming came from your "my grow is bigger than your grow"one liners. man...I am not dropping anything. I am not going to get upset at one liners anymore, and simply flag them and request theyre removal. Thanks for admitting that LED's work though...lol
btw, lets face it, pot growers and smokers in one way or another need to adapt. technology is advancing rapidly. One day we will all be using LED's or some sort of new light...we will have too. I know, I know its out there....but so was the computer at one time.

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

Well hick northern has almost proved them wrong but I still feel with his results all ready he has proved LED's work in a safe space I congratulate him and all the people working with him on his work congrats man

Where did he prove that LEDs meet or exceed HID lights? I didn't read anything of the sort.

 

[northernlightssmokn]

Where did he prove that LEDs meet or exceed HID lights? I didn't read anything of the sort.

I did not prove anything yet that has not already been proved, and I did not prove anyone wrong. Hid's do produce a bigger bud and a in few days sooner than LED's. I did however prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that LED's are indeed PERFECT for closet growers and they do produce a realy good bud. I have also confirmed that this particular LED will almost double the yield of a SINGLE plant per UFO. If a UFO is put below the canopy and angled in to the plant, it will greatly increase bolth the bud sites and also the size of the bottom buds as well. The difference is measurable! Led's alone (2gen UFO) will veg and flower a plant alone with no other lighting source. There will be buds and the smoke will be good. I will be testing yield difference when do a final harvest of dry weight. I will compare days of flower and yield on this plant to that of a 600w s-hps in my journal.

 

[whiterussian]

I haven't checked this in like a week but i did notice HEMPGODDESS and some others opted out of responding anymore.(just some thanked post) LOL

Look, like she said, its not a big deal... LED's are experimental. Its not something that someone new to growing should neccesarily go out and spend a bunch of money on. NOT TO SAY THEY DONT WORK northernlightssmokn! so please, no more rude comments. Im not trying to offend you, neither is anyone else. You use LEDS and thats fine, if it works for you, it works for you!

HPS has been around much longer and is proven to grow some nice buds. With time, LEDS will be better. Thats becomming more apparent.

I think that we should all drop it! Im sure that ross has enough information available on this post alone to make a decision on whats best for him.

But i will say that Whiterussian and i got into it about a month ago on a post... He's my new best friend!!!! hahahaha just kidding but he's pretty D**N funny!

Yeah im done fighting, its okay though, we really shouldnt be rude, just let them grow with flashlights and ill keep my HPS, and every ones happy
sorry hick i get a little worked up sometimes :hubba:

 

[godspeedsuckah]

I spent a good half hour with my hydro guy tonight talking about LED's. He went to a seminar on them and as of right now the technology is all hype. He spoke with the manufacturers of these particular lighting systems and they told him that to maximize the LED's right now you need to use them for 12 hours and then your HID's for 12 hours. The manufacturers themselves said this, and that it has just become an internet craze. They are working on some LED technology that will be pretty insane and when it comes out he is buying into it.

Sooooooooooooooooooooo like I have been saying. THEY ARE FOR FINDING YOUR TREE STAND IN THE DARK!!!!!!

:chuck: :chuck: :chuck: :chuck: :chuck: :chuck: :chuck:

 

[godspeedsuckah]

ANOTHER point he made is that LED's will cost you nearly $3,000 to be equivalent to a 1000w HID. The diodes in LED's shoot a very precise and direct light in a narrow beam rendering them useless as of now. The technology is not here yet and wont be for a few years. Once they are comparable to at least T5's which they aren't even close to in comparison than they may have a place in the market; as of now it just isnt there. Not trying to burst any bubbles or start any fights, just pointing out the facts as they are now.

 

[northernlightssmokn]

ANOTHER point he made is that LED's will cost you nearly $3,000 to be equivalent to a 1000w HID. The diodes in LED's shoot a very precise and direct light in a narrow beam rendering them useless as of now. The technology is not here yet and wont be for a few years. Once they are comparable to at least T5's which they aren't even close to in comparison than they may have a place in the market; as of now it just isnt there. Not trying to burst any bubbles or start any fights, just pointing out the facts as they are now.

LOL....Useless huh!?!? So they dont even work eh?!?! Hey since your in to gettn such expert advice, I want to hook you up with hot tip my friend...see, I have 5000 shares in a very prominant company named ENRON for sale for a very competitive price and if you act fast I will throw in a free Iloveworldcom teeshirt as well!!!!


Anyway...I just found that funny. I am interested in how he came to such conclusions. Did he site any literature or information sources?? You stated this to be "fact" so you must have a source other than "a friend was told at a convention by someone that...."

lol...

This hydro guy must have owned stock in Hortilux or sunbeam...

:aok:

 

[The Effen Gee]

Must have seen this argument a thousand times now on the internet..

Seem's to follow the same pattern...

No finished budshot's. No Eye Candy. No BUD PORNO.

I want to see what kind of bud you can produce off of lights you could run on a battery array.

 

[godspeedsuckah]

Alright so "useless" is going to far, they do work in flashlights. My only response is, where are the bud shots northern? Don't preach the effectiveness when there are people in the field, including the mfg's, who all state that the technology is not there yet. So show me the proof. My guess is you can't show me the proof and you won't be able to because it is a load of crap. Step up to the plate and quit preaching your crap, where is it? When T5's out perform LED's, which they do, you can't prove squat so give it up. I checked out your journal, and yes your plants look nice but I have seen better production with cfl's. People are going to buy into this garbage and go out spending a lot of money on these LED's when they could have had the same results with florescent. I will admit you can grow with LED's but you have to admit you can't grow well with them. And in one of your post's you actually said that those 3 ufo's equal a 600w hps. Show me how that is. From what I understand LED's and HID units are measured completely different and those 3 ufo's in NO WAY equal a 600w hid. These pics are @ 35 days under a 400w hps.