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[AlienBait]

My favorite Tesla Theory.... ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES

He proved you could broadcast energy like you can broadcast frequencies. Thus, no need for power plants and electical lines. Electricity harnessed and BROADCASTED

Check this out:

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/wireless.html

 

[allgrownup]

Sweet article Alienbait. thats what im talkin bout!


heres a documentary to get some wheels turning for those unfamiliar with Nikola Tesla and the concept of "free energy".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7365305906535911834&q=free+energy&total=4654&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1http://video.google.com/videopopup?...ernative+science+-+Google+Video+-+Full+Screen

 

[MrPuffAlot]

im in the the petroleum business..

and this whole ethonal stuff is a Racket..

for who??

the Farmers and the mid west belt politicians. Plain and simple.

10% ethanol federal mandates, not only increases the price of your fuel,
its like 15% less efficient. Which means, you are paying more for LESS..

Alienbait is totally correct.

Lets not forget all the fossell fuels that is burned by Tanker trucks, that
transport the Ethanol to refineries.. WHY?? there is no Pipe line for ethonal,
and Oil pipelines aren't 100% water/condensation proof. Ethanol isn't
water soulable.

and remember, regarding cars with all this different type of power source.
Im not keen on the idea of millions of opeople driving mini nuclear bombs.
And safety with battery powered, and etc etc etc is also an issue.

BTW: Brazil makes ethanol from Sugar canes, which is like 1000x better
to use than corn. Unfortunately, the farm lobbiest have to much pull
on our politicians.

 

[MrPuffAlot]

idea:

a giant solar panel outside out athmostphere, maybe the size of the moon,
that is piped right back down to earth.

im sure solar power is ALOT more efficient in space.

 

[Dubbaman]

heres the solution to all of it quit using the fossil fuels and get back on a HORSE might take a bit longer and smell a bit more when it dumps its fuel waste but crap you can get one for less than 10K and maintain it for a fair 12 years of everyday use for about the same price as a new Honda and the horse doesnt rob the planet of its vital things like oil (which is known to be the lubricant that helps stop major earthuqakes) and then presto no more toxic emissions from tail pipes (and we get to make a few fat rats go damn near broke)

 

[Cook_]

My only question now is then how is brazil 100% energy effiecent off ethanol if this ethanol is a so called racket?

 

[AlienBait]

idea:

a giant solar panel outside out athmostphere, maybe the size of the moon,
that is piped right back down to earth.

im sure solar power is ALOT more efficient in space.

Not possible yet. It would have to be in geosync and the cables would be too long and snap from all the pressures on it. By the time they figure out how to make that work, Fusion power should be up and running.

 

[AlienBait]

My only question now is then how is brazil 100% energy effiecent off ethanol if this ethanol is a so called racket?

Well, there are a couple of reasons. First of all Brazil uses sugar cane, as MrPuffAlot said and sugar is easier to convert to ethanol than corn or other biomass. The other sources have to be converted to sugar first before they can be distilled, so by using sugar you can skip a step and save on energy there. In the U.S., they can only grow sugar in a few Southern states like Texas, Florida, and Hawaii.

Secondly, and more importantly, in Brazil the extra plant matter that is not distilled into ethanol is burned to make electricity. That electricity is what powers the stills and they have a little left over that they sell back to the power company. Now, in order to produce the 150 billion gallons of ethanol you mention in post #12, that extra plant matter (or cellulosic material) would be converted into ethanol and thus not available to be burned to create electricity. Therefore you need another power source and right now they are using coal because it is the cheapest.

 

[Red-Eye Jedi]

Solar energy is a complete and total waste. It would take a vast network of solar panels roughly the size of New Mexico to power around 1/10 of the U.S. ( this stat is roughly 5 years old, so if anything it is worse now with all the latest new gadgets about). This simply isn't feasible.

I saw a guy on here that said he wasn't keen on they idea of everyone driving mini nuclear bombs. This is the exact kinda thinking we need to get away from. Maybe nuclear power isn't the safest thing on the market right now. But if we can get people to get over the nuclear taboo, maybe science will have more support in looking into safer ways to transport and store nuclear energy. Not to mention Nuclear energy means JOBS. American jobs, not Mexico jobs, or India jobs, or China jobs. Nuclear energy is one industry guaranteed not to be exported to another country for cheaper labor.

 

[allgrownup]

huh,.........................nobody has watched the vid link i posted.




smoke three bowls and bend your minds. There are a few different devices that "could" solve our problems.

 

[Cook_]

Alienbait im sure there will be away to grow sugar cane in the united states it will just take time and research that some1 has to put into you know?

 

[Cook_]

Biofuels such as biodiesel and alcohol fuel can be made from the oils in hemp seeds and stalks, and the fermentation of the plant as a whole, respectively, but the energy from hemp is low compared with the volume of the harvested hemp. It does, however, produce more energy per acre per year than corn, sugar, flax, or any other crop currently grown for ethanol or biodiesel.

Henry Ford grew industrial hemp on his estate after 1937[citation needed], possibly to prove the cheapness of methanol production at Iron Mountain. He made plastic cars with wheat straw, hemp and sisal. (Popular Mechanics, Dec. 1941, "Pinch Hitters for Defense.") In 1892, Rudolph Diesel invented the diesel engine, which he intended to fuel "by a variety of fuels, especially vegetable and seed oils."
According to US Department of Energy studies conducted by the Argonne Laboratories of the University of Chicago, one of the benefits of cellulosic ethanol is that it reduces greenhouse gas emissions (GHG) by 85% over reformulated gasoline. By contrast, starch ethanol (e.g., from corn), which most frequently uses natural gas to provide energy for the process,may not reduce GHG emissions at all depending on how the starch-based feedstock is produced. A study by Nobel Prize winner Paul Crutzen, find "net climate warming" effect of ethanol produced from corn, rapeseed (canola), and sugarcane when compared to oil.

Ethanol, if made from cellulose, emits 80 percent less global warming pollution than gasoline

 

[smokybear]

This is why humans will cease to exist eventually. We cannot exist in complete harmony with all the other creatures. We come. We conquer, spread, multiply and conquer some more. Just my thoughts. Take care and be safe.

 

[HippyInEngland]

idea:

a giant solar panel outside out athmostphere, maybe the size of the moon,
that is piped right back down to earth.

im sure solar power is ALOT more efficient in space.

This idea is feasible, where the difficulty lies is transporting the collected energy back to earth, totally ridiculous idea of using cables, we should be thinking along the lines of energy transfer through laser.

 

[allgrownup]

we should be thinking about energy storage.


if we had an efficient system to store energy we could more effeciently utilize it.

 

[HippyInEngland]

We as humans are an energy storage unit, so im not fat, im simply fully charged :rofl:

 

[Cook_]

actually lithium batterys is a new thing the thing that charges your phone???

 

[Cook_]

Switchgrass is often considered a good candidate for biofuel — especially ethanol fuel — production due to its hardiness against poor soil and climate conditions, rapid growth and low fertilization and herbicide requirements. Switchgrass is also perennial, unlike corn, and has a huge biomass output, the raw plant material used to make biofuel, of 6-10 tons per acre.[5][6] President George W. Bush mentioned this usage in his 2006 State of the Union address [7] [8][9]; since then, over $100 million has been invested into researching the potential fuel source[10].

Switchgrass has the potential to produce the biomass required for production of up to 100 gallons (380 liters) of ethanol per metric ton.[11] This gives switchgrass the potential to produce 1000 gallons of ethanol per acre, compared to 665 gallons for sugarcane and 400 gallons for corn.

 

[Cook_]

Main players will be Brazil, USA, EU, and tropical developing countries. EU can currently (2007) produce ethanol in large quantities with a mineral-oil based chemical process for US$0.57 per liter . USA produces ethanol for circa US$0.32 per liter, mainly from corn starch. Brazil produces ethanol for circa US$0.27 per liter, from sugarcane. Tropical developing countries do not produce very large amounts of ethanol yet.

Brazil is the largest producer, but it will not be able to meet EU's needs for many years to come, assuming that it will expand ethanol production at maximum possible rate. USA is expected to become self-supplying (to avoid high oil prices), but is not expected to become a major exporter. EU also wants to avoid high oil prices, and is starting to require a minimum ethanol percentage in automobile fuels, so it wants to import ethanol. Ethanol can be made from mineral oil or from sugars or starches, cheapest of which are starches, and starchy crop with highest energy content per acre is cassava, which grows in tropical countries.

Thailand already had a large cassava industry in the 1990s, for use as cattle food and as cheap admixture to wheat flour; Nigeria and Ghana are already establishing cassava-to-ethanol plants ; Brazil is doing that too (sugarcane and cassava grow on very different types of soil) ; and so are many other countries.

Mainly looks like US is given subsitys for farmers that are getting ready for Ethanol but knowing the OIL TYCOONS of the US which could have DROPPED OIL PRICES by simply building more refinerys may not pull ahead with ethanol as there big paychecks wont be signed

 

[AlienBait]

we should be thinking along the lines of energy transfer through laser.

They would spend all that money, time and energy developing and building the space solar panals, lasers, energy converters, etc. and the first time a spotted owl flew through the beam, they would shut it all down.