Is it too late? spider mites

[Dr.Greenbud]

Progress Report;

I bought the magnifying glass and looked real, real close and i can't find any mites, live anyway, also i don't see eggs anymore.
The plants grew a few inches and the new tops have no signs of mites and are greener then green.
Also the buds look good.
I know HICK and others are against NO-PEST strips but i'm a believer they work.
I'm willing to bet the mites are all but gone.
I'm gonna keep in the pest strip til about 2 weeks before harvest and continue to switch up my treatments for the next 3-5 weeks.
I picked off all the dead leaves and although the plants were effected i think i'll still get some nice bud.

 

[Hick]

I'm not 'against' them doc. Not used "when and where"" they are designed for. Useing them around anything that is going to be consumed, is not where they are designed for.
Would you hang one over your kitchen table, too??

 

[Time4Plan-B]

carpets will be the place where if anywhere the mites or their eggs will reside until conditions improve then they will rear their ugly heads again.

my friend did the same as you but i told him carpets are a no no in a grow room.

consequently they appeared again weeks later.

anyway do what your doing but ditch the carpets on your next grow.

t4

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

I'm not 'against' them doc. Not used "when and where"" they are designed for. Useing them around anything that is going to be consumed, is not where they are designed for.
Would you hang one over your kitchen table, too??

I would not use them in my kitchen but through my research on this and other sites i'm yet to find anyone who used these and lost any body parts or grew any new ones due to them, besides i'm willing to bet smoking cigarettes has MANY MANY more chemicals than what i'm doing, including rat poison. How many of you smoke cigarettes/rat poison?
Anyway it was that or scrap the whole grow.

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

carpets will be the place where if anywhere the mites or their eggs will reside until conditions improve then they will rear their ugly heads again.

my friend did the same as you but i told him carpets are a no no in a grow room.

consequently they appeared again weeks later.

anyway do what your doing but ditch the carpets on your next grow.

t4

Aahhh, but i have a secret for that.
I live in up north and its cold here, actually it snowed last night and i keep the window open 24/7 in that room.
During the day it's only 70 or so in the tents and at night it goes down to 50-55 degrees. Mites HATE cold so i use that as an extra weapon, plus i vacuum the carpets several times per week.
The cold prevents them from reproducing.

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

Also i forgot to mention that i spray the carpets with the safers soap when i spray the plants and the alcohol/water mix when i use that. ( don't spray your carpets with the hot sauce mix , common sence here ).
It does'nt hurt the carpet from what i can tell so far, and i've sprayed them quite a few times so far, AFTER i vacumm.

 

[Hick]

I would not use them in my kitchen but through my research on this and other sites i'm yet to find anyone who used these and lost any body parts or grew any new ones due to them, besides i'm willing to bet smoking cigarettes has MANY MANY more chemicals than what i'm doing, including rat poison. How many of you smoke cigarettes/rat poison?
Anyway it was that or scrap the whole grow.

NPS are poison. You can probably look in vain for any one, losing or growing extra body parts from useing them in the kitchen, too. That doesn't mean they don't present a danger..
READ THE LABEL WARNING....
READ the warnings issued by agencies responsible for public awareness of such chemicals.
hXXp://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=00548100348&DIST_NR=008845
hXXp://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/1293-Dont-Buy-No-Pest-Strip.html
hXXp://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:MZdz4L8IXecJ:xxx.amvac-chemical.com/media/pdf/pr...&gl=us&sig=AFQjCNEKq2JkvQ2rzL1WG-ZRjwjye3bVzw

2. Effects on Humans: Dichlorvos is an organophosphorus pesticide and is therefore a cholinesterase inhibitor. Overexposure to this substance causes symptoms that vary by route of exposure. Inhalation causes ocular and respiratory symptoms. Ingestion causes gastrointestinal effects, while skin absorption causes localized sweating and muscle twitching in the area where entry occurred. If exposure is severe, muscle weakness, twitching, fasciculation, and paralysis may occur. Paralysis of the respiratory muscles may cause death. Cardiac irregularities, including complete heart block, may also occur [Hathaway et al. 1991]. Dichlorvos is easily absorbed through the skin, gastrointestinal tract, and lungs because of its high volatility [Parmeggiani 1983]. It is rapidly inactivated by the liver, and persons with liver disease may be less tolerant of the toxic effects than normal persons [Gosselin 1984]. Human volunteers exposed for 30 minutes/hour each hour, 10 hours/day for 14 days at concentrations of 0.14 to 0.33 mg/m(3) had no changes in cholinesterase levels, airway resistance, or vision. At a concentration of 1 mg/m(3) for 7.5 to 8.5 hours, volunteers experienced a 20- to 25-percent reduction in cholinesterase levels [ACGIH 1991]. Thirteen workers exposed over a period of a year to an average concentration of 0.7 mg/m(3) showed decreases of 35 percent and 60 percent, respectively, in red blood cell and plasma cholinesterase levels [Hathaway et al. 1991]. At a level of 0.1 ppm, the plasma cholinesterase is reported to drop by 20 percent [ACGIH 1991]. Daily exposure to dichlorvos at levels insufficient to produce results on a single-dose basis may produce symptoms after several days exposure. Continuing exposure after symptoms appear can produce increasingly severe effects [Hathaway et al. 1991]. Dichlorvos has also been reported to cause allergic contact dermatitis [ACGIH 1991]. Dichlorvos causes methylation of DNA in vitro, but there is no evidence of mutagenicity in humans [Hathaway et al. 1991]. IARC has concluded that there is no adequate data for evaluating the carcinogenicity of dichlorvos in humans [IARC 1987].

hXXp://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/dichlorvos/recognition.html

I agree that it is not appear exceptionaly high in toxicity, BUT in conjunction with pre-exiting medical conditions, and it's obvious risks with both repeated and prolonged exposure, "I" wouldn't recommend their use around consumables.
The comparison to cigarettes is laughable. Everyone "KNOWS" they will kill you, and I don't "recommend" their use either...

 

[4u2sm0ke]

Agree^^^^^^


:bong:

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

I certainly was not arguing with you HICK, as a matter of fact i agree it's not the best thing, but i also found it interesting there were " volunteers " to do a study. I guess it comes down to personnel opinion. My opinion is i don't think the plants/buds will absorb and hold it long enough to harm when smoked. If " volunteers " were not harmed with direct contact, i can't see it being that bad, however the warning label does give me concern, i may call the company and ask them if a plant can absorb and redistribute anything harmful.

 

[SkunkPatronus]

I use foggers myself if the borg turn up.Bob Martins flea and tick foggers for pets.I don't even knock the fans off,just place in the grow and hit the button on the can,works a treat and the stuff is rated for use in unvented domestic environments and breaks down in light.

Treat twice in 48 hours and weekly thereafter.

Or,as I've just found,you can treat plants with the stuff you put on a dog or cats fur to treat for fleas and other boogers our pets get.

I've got the borg in my grow so placed a few drops on fan leaves and the stems and the stuff works so well the next plant along had it's borg killed by a treated plant next to it!

It's purely vapour so nothing settles on your girls really and costs about £3 to treat a 6-12 plant grow.

When it comes to the borg,this stuff is mustard!:holysheep:

Vapona pest strips do the same job.

Oh my gawd! That's the best name ever for those rotten little bugs...for the rest of my life i will refer to them as The Borg.

Thank You.

 

[SkunkPatronus]

You could just sprinkle your carpet with diatomaceous earth, it works very very well... on plants too if you are willing to dust a whole crop from top to bottom and not miss any bits...would use it on buds themselves tho so i guess it depends on where your crop is at at the time.

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

So i called up the 800# on the back of the package and spoke to a fellow that was a product specialist and i asked him about using the NO-PEST strip in a room with " edible " plants like tomatoes and vegtables ( for obvious reasons i could not tell him it was weed, but i think he knew anyway ) and of course Hick was right, it is not " reccommended " for use with consumptions. He would not elaborate futher on specifics and only repeated it's not reccommended.
So my new game plan is to remove it from the flower tent ( i already did ), keep it in the room outside the tent for 2 more weeks, hopefully this will prevent most of what emits from the NO-PEST strip from entering the tent and still kill the borg in the carpet.
I know they work so it's hard to give up such an effective treatment.

 

[AlbinoDanko12GA]

damn i just bought one today too! i used it before and it seemd to work! im having some trouble with mites too! i think im just gonna get on that game plan too! spray every 2 days with something different! i will not use neem oil though, for some reason i have bad luck with it and it kills my entire plants! i just sprayed with safers soap! im gonna spray with azatrol tomorrow and see how they like it! then i will use the 50/50 alcohol water mix! good luck greenbud hope u keep it under control

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

damn i just bought one today too! i used it before and it seemd to work! im having some trouble with mites too! i think im just gonna get on that game plan too! spray every 2 days with something different! i will not use neem oil though, for some reason i have bad luck with it and it kills my entire plants! i just sprayed with safers soap! im gonna spray with azatrol tomorrow and see how they like it! then i will use the 50/50 alcohol water mix! good luck greenbud hope u keep it under control

Sounds like you have a plan. These borg are tougher than tough.
I seem to have mine under control for now. I re-thought my last post. I think i'm going to rotate the NO-PEST strip from the veg. tent one day, the flower tent the next then the 3rd i'll leave it outside the tents in the open room to kill the carpet huggers.
My fear is that i cant see them now and i don't want to ease up and have them return.
Have you used the cold against them? i think it's one of the best, non-harmful weapons against them (in conjuntion with other treatments).
If it's not too cold where you live try an air conditioner in that room.
I fiqure if i miss any borg the cold will get them for me, or at least prevent them from breeding til i can kill them.

Good luck to you to Albino, post your progress and results here if you like, we'll share the thread and compare results.

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

Whew, i just spent 2 1/2 hours, here's what i did.

I removed all plants from flower tent.
I cleaned the tent with alcohol/water several times then i sprayed Safers soap all over the floor and first 8-10 inches of the tent.
I then went over every plant and every leaf, i pushed slightly on the stems of the leaves that looked dead or pretty bad, the ones that fell off with slight pressure i fiqure were dead, the others that did'nt fall off i left alone, except i crumbled any dry dead ends that were on the leaves.
I then sprayed every plant, every leaf from bottom to top with Safers soap then i watered the plants heavy ( mites will fall off when sprayed with safers or alcohol and will fall into the water and drown ) and returned into tent.

I vacuumed the carpets several times and sprayed the carpet with alcohol/water mix til the room gagged me with the smell.
Finally, i returned the No-Pest strip into the flower tent so as to kill any mites that are trying to escape.

I did not observe any live mites at all, also i did'nt see any new egg deposits on the bottoms of any of the leaves.

If this regement does'nt kill them it'ol kill me, lol.

 

[AlbinoDanko12GA]

ya switching the nps from tent to tent would be a good idea, the airborne chemicals will kill the borg for sure! no i dont have acces to get cold air from outside, both the windows are borded up to prevent light leaks and cuz nosey neighbors!

well i just spent about 30 minutes spraying the girls down with a mix of azatrol and water! i got to say i hate these mites and there nasty eggs, there everywhere on the sour bubble, everything else looks fine, just a few here and there, but i drenched all of them real good right now! tomorrow im going to just spray water on them in the morning and then that night im going to spray 50/50 water alcohol! then i will spray with safers the foloowing day and tehn azatrol again and so on and so on, hopefully they will be gone! i want to use neem cuz peope stand by it but i just alway have bad luck with it, have u used need dr???

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

No, have'nt, i live in a rural area, it's hard to find anything.
Keep switching up your treatments like your doing and in combination with the nps and it should curb your problem.

Also, try the hot sauce and garlic and dawn dish soap mix as another weapon, the more you can spread out the treatments with different products the less chance the borg will to get used to one and become immune to it.

 

[AlbinoDanko12GA]

ya ill switch it up every day or every other day! i want to conquer these mites, i was also thinking of gettin floramite!

 

[Dr.Greenbud]

i would only do treatments every 2-3 days. When mites are sprayed or ready to die they drop their eggs, these eggs take a few days to hatch, so everyday treatments are too much and may strees the plant a lot.
If you must treat everyday, use regular water on the " off " days.
The mites hate water and will drop off into the dirt, MAKE SURE the soil is real wet, the mites will drown.

 

[AlbinoDanko12GA]

ok so every 2 to 3 days! o im also gonna buy some floramite! have u heard of it! its supposed to knock out the spider mites for good, some people swear buy them and say they havent had a mite since! so im gonna try it in conjuction using the no hot pest strip and safers soap! ill also have a bottle of alcohol and water to have in my arsenal! so after applying something wat the plant to drown the mites????i hope we can conquer these mites dr! u still looking good over there??? still no sign of an alive mite?????