I Want Tight Buds

[cunundrum.4343]

I have a grow closet with sufficient cfl and regular flourescent lights. They look beautiful and they grew according to all the pictures, etc. However, when they were ready to be harvested, the buds are still loose. They are now in curing stage, but still the buds will not tighten. What can I do to remedy this situation.

 

[umbra]

LIGHT! Ok 5000 lumen per square ft isn't going to cut it. 2 600w hps for a 3x3 and you are goiing to go insane. We're talking 23,000 lumen per square ft.

 

[Kupunakane]

A great question,
The answer is simple enough to get you messed up. You need to up the amount of Lumens seriousily. CFL's are notorious for how well they work in the vegging department, but they are no good for the flowering, there you want to slide up into maybe HPS.
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smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

 

[TURKEYNECK]

you need an HID..Period. That is..if you're serious about this...IME.

 

[Berttieboo]

OK, if your buds are curing now and they are loose then their gonna stay loose. All you can do is next time increase your light output(lumens per sq ft).As above cfls just wont give you tight buds, only a hps 400/1000 will.
i.e more light during flowering=tighter buds

 

[Alistair]

5,000 lumens per square foot should be plenty of light to encourage tight buds. If I remember correctly, I only have about 4,000 lumens per square foot and my buds are always tight. You do need an HPS for flowering though.

 

[leafminer]

:yeahthat:
I'm running just under 5K L/sq. ft. and the buds on my plants are solid. Like the others said above, HPS will get you there. There's nothing you can do in curing stage.

 

[umbra]

I'm tellin ya more is better. I saw someone's setup the other day, and he's doing 23,000 lumens and he's gettin 3.5 lbs dried from 12 plants on a 3x3 tray. The proof is in the puddin'

 

[Pothead420]

A great question,
The answer is simple enough to get you messed up. You need to up the amount of Lumens seriousily. CFL's are notorious for how well they work in the vegging department, but they are no good for the flowering, there you want to slide up into maybe HPS.
hxxp://www.htgsupply.com/

smoke in peace
KingKahuuna

yes an HPS is great and will greatly increase the yield but fluro's can work wonders in flower if used properly here's a pic under regular fluro's. this is not my work.

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

I'm tellin ya more is better. I saw someone's setup the other day, and he's doing 23,000 lumens and he's gettin 3.5 lbs dried from 12 plants on a 3x3 tray. The proof is in the puddin'

Yeah, uhhh I'm gonna need some pics. I don't believe that for one nanosecond.

 

[pimpdaddycoolz]

I believe anything is possible! hahahaha But i would love to see 3.5 lbs off of those 2 trays.

and with 2 600 watt HPS, I DEFINATELY BELIEVE IT! I pulled a lb off my last grow, in soil and with spider mites.... (with 1 600 watt)

If he's goin hydro, 2 600 watts and there are no problems, 3.5 lbs is a definate possibility.

And about that 16 flouro set up, im sorry but thats rediculous.... Im not saying its not true, but oltomnody is right, why not go with a 600 watt or something? you would probably produce more considering you can use the space more wisely and the light from an HID is better suited for marijuana flowering.

Also! Why spend all that time and effort trying to set something like that up, at those angles, and having to figit with the ballast when you need to see the plants.

Not to say it wasn't a nice experiment. I know it wasn't yours pothead420, im just saying. But you proved your point! you can make some nice buds with enough light!!! hahaha

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

with 2 600 watt HPS, I DEFINATELY BELIEVE IT! I pulled a lb off my last grow, in soil and with spider mites.... (with 1 600 wattIf he's goin hydro, 2 600 watts and there are no problems, 3.5 lbs is a definate possibility

2 600 watt HPS lights have a "tad" more than 23,000 lumens.I don't believe Umbra's claim AT ALL. 23,000 lumens on 9 square feet is 2555 lumens/foot. That's just so ridiculously far off that it isn't even funny.

 

[Pothead420]

Nice plant, but if I am seeing that correctly, it looks like 16 tubes at 40 watts per, that would be 640 watts. Why not get the HPS instead?

that wasnt my grow it was some one who wanted to show that you can get nice buds from fluro's

 

[BBFan]

2 600 watt HPS lights have a "tad" more than 23,000 lumens.I don't believe Umbra's claim AT ALL. 23,000 lumens on 9 square feet is 2555 lumens/foot. That's just so ridiculously far off that it isn't even funny.

Hey Enhancement, no disrespect intended, but doesn't a 600 watt produce around 87,000 lumens or am I wrong on that? Based on that, that would be almost 20,000 lumens per square foot.

I'm running 2- 400 watt right now and I figure about 9,000 per square foot. I'd love to get a lb out of it but I doubt I will. I find over 3 lbs to be incredible, but I also gotta respect Umbra as I've seen some of his results.

Again- no disrespect, if I'm wrong, let me know. BTW- my buds are super dense!

 

[BBFan]

Hey Enhancement- Just re-read your post. Sorry, I missed the sarcasm.

 

[andy52]

some strains produce more than others and with the right conditions anything is possible.i do not doubt the results from 12 plants.if everything is dialed in.

 

[cunundrum.4343]

I want to thank all of you who responded to my question. I guess I am going to have to break down and get a hps system. One more question, if I use cfls for vegging, will the plants not get to hot when I change to hps.

Thanks again

 

[trav_420]

if you shop around on the net you can get a great deal on an HPS.
And so long as you have proper ventilation you shouldnt have a problem with heat.

How big is your closet? i run a 400watt in a closet 22"dx60"wx48"t and ive had no issues.

 

[umbra]

2 600 watt HPS lights have a "tad" more than 23,000 lumens.I don't believe Umbra's claim AT ALL. 23,000 lumens on 9 square feet is 2555 lumens/foot. That's just so ridiculously far off that it isn't even funny.

No problem whether you believe me or not. But you misunderstood me. Not 2555 lumen per square ft. 23,000 lumens per. You should search here and look at my bud porn. just so you know a 600w puts out 95,000 lumens x 2 divided by 9

 

[TheEnhancementSmoker]

No problem whether you believe me or not. But you misunderstood me. Not 2555 lumen per square ft. 23,000 lumens per. You should search here and look at my bud porn. just so you know a 600w puts out 95,000 lumens x 2 divided by 9

Okay that makes sense. Your math is a little off though, it would be 21,111 per square foot.