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[Thorn]

any news on smokin it yet? whats it like lol

 

[ktownlegend]

see if u can lst and fim it to grow like grape vines. see how long u can get it to go horizontally. and while doing that all the shoots the grow up. Lst and fim them to see if u can spell out a word or a name with the branches as art form/ decorative plant. not to mention see exactly how far u can push the plant with nutes and fertz. just be sure to document it and take pictures. for informational purposes.

 

[dobshibby]

is the plant still growing?if so i would like to see what happens if you inject something like steroids or hormones directly into its stem,is their plant hormones?.

 

[Disco94]

I need to sex the plants and if they are all female, I am gonna abuse them with upside down growing and let the roots drape over like a grape vine and try to use fertilizer in a spray bottle on the roots directly. I have an idea on how to get it to grow upside down, but keep lighting it from the top and a little on the bottom. Just curious if the leaves are going to turn over as well.

 

[Thorn]

cool, once u set it up, it'll be good to see some pics hehe

 

[rubbfuzz]

why not try splicing? I heard that you can take a cutting from one plant and cut a hole in the other and join them together..

 

[rubbfuzz]

why not try splicing? I heard that you can take a cutting from one plant and cut a hole in the other and join them together..

 

[rubbfuzz]

oops doubble post ....... ignore one!

 

[Disco94]

I am now thinking about keeping the roots in soil, the middle open and then put soil near the top so just the tip is poking through. Kinda like 3 sections going soil, air, soil. Thoughts?

 

[rubbfuzz]

you might end up with roots and budds growing into eachtother. That might create a mess when harvesting. but good luck!

 

[ClosetGrow420]

to be honest, try this...dont get offended anyone.

if its a female, instead of the MJ male plant pollen going onto the pistill, put your "pollen" on the pistill.

Imagine the possibilites.

 

[md.apothecary]

Riiiiiiighhtttt

Splicing that you are referring to is called "Grafting", and it has not yet been successfully done to MJ plants.

Grafting requires a vein like structure commonly found in fruit trees and cactus, and unfortunately, MJ is much like a tomato plant, almost identical actually in the way they're designed. They simply use many seperate veins within the stem structure.

To successfully graft such a plant would require a TON of knowledge in botany and very precise hands and eyes. You would literally have to attach approx. 85% of the veins to ensure a better chance of survival.

With cactus they have LARGE singular veins which you can simply plop on a smaller graft and you're done. But with other plants you'd have to literally do surgery. :fid:

But, give it a shot and let us know how it goes!

BTW, timing, and size of plants is crucial.

as for pollenating your female plants... try tomato pollen. See what happens.

 

[mal_crane]

To be honest, I'd love to see someone do some grafting work. Cutting a branch off and carving a hole in another to graft them will probably give you a pretty low success rate. To graft them, find two branches from different plants almost identical in width, cut them both off at steep matching angles, and reattach them using some type of florist tape. How many extra plants will be involved?

 

[mal_crane]

As far as I know, cannabis grafting is indeed possible MD. We actually just researched this in another forum, and several people were able to reattach branches that had been broken off on their outdoor plants, tho none had tried to attach different strains. Do you have any documentation that supports the impossibility of cannabis grafting?

 

[md.apothecary]

It's not that it's IMPOSSIBLE, but it requires a large background in botany. It's not worth any time and effort really unless you are looking for specifics. I recently familiarized myself with someone who is an author and creator of many MJ books/videos out on the market and he kindly referred me to this as a means to help explain it better on the forum.

What is grafting?

Grafting...
If only it could be grafted to another plant and end up not looking like a pot plant, now that would really be cool for growing an innocent looking plant, right in your own backyard.
But unfortunately, the graft does nothing but replace the supporting mainstalk and root system, leaving the same (unchanged) pot plant branches (grafts) growing from it.

So, theres really no benefit at all. (except maybe lower plant total count)

IE: You can graft together a plant which has branches of the original strain and graft on other strains as branches, ending up with a single plant with several types (strains) of buds growing on that single plant.

None of the strains will change at all.
You would harvest buds of each respective grafts strain, but none will be changed by its nieghboring different strains.

If a grafted branch becomes seeded, its seeds will be the same as the donor plant would have produced.

All said and done, you will waste valuable time making the grafts take hold, and have no usefull outcome other than the total plant numbers.

 

[md.apothecary]

--continued from above--

The actual conversation consisted as follows:


One of the most persistent myths in marijuana lore concerns grafting Cannabis to its closest relative. Humulus, the hops plant of beer-making fame. The myth is that a hops scion (shoot or top portion of the stem) grafted to a marijuana stock (lower stem and root) will contain the active ingredients of marijuana. The beauty of such a graft is that it would be difficult to identify as marijuana and, possible, the plant would not be covered under marijuana statutes. Unfortunately, the myth is false. It is possible to successfully graft Cannabis with Humulus, but the hops portion will not contain any cannabinoids.
In 1975, the research team of Crombie and Crombie grafted hops scions on Cannabis stocks from both hemp and marijuana (Thailand) plants 205. Cannabis scions were also grafted to hops stocks. In both cases, the Cannabis portion of the graft continued to produce its characteristic amounts of cannabinoids when compared to ungrafted controls, but the hops portions of the grafts contained no cannabinoids. This experiment was well-designed and carried out. Sophisticated methods were used for detecting THC, THCV, CBD, CBC, CBN, and CBG. Yet none of these were detected in the hops portions.
The grafting myth grew out of work by H.E. Warmke, which was carried out for the government during the early 1940's in an attempt to develop hemp strains that would not contain the "undesirable" drug 58. The testing procedure for the active ingredients was crude. Small animals, such as the water flea Daphnia, were immersed in water with various concentration of acetone extracts from hemp. The strength of the drug was estimated by the number of animals killed in a given period of time. As stated by Warmke, "The Daphnia assay is not specific for the marijuana drug ... once measures any and all toxic substances in hemp (or hop) leaves that are extracted with acetone, whether or not these have specific marijuana activity." Clearly it was other compounds, not cannabinoids, that were detected in these grafting experiments.
Unfortunately, this myth has caused some growers to waste a lot of time and effort in raising a worthless stash of hops leaves. It has also leg growers to some false conclusions about the plant. For instance, if the hops scion contains cannabinoids, the reasonable assumption is that the cannabinoids are being produced in the Cannabis part and translocated to the hops scion, or that the Cannabis root or stem is responsible for producing the cannabinoids precursors.
From this assumption, growers also get the idea that the resin is flowing in the plant. The myth has bolstered the ideas that cutting, splitting, or bending the stem will send the resin up the plant or prevent the resin from going down the plant. As explained in our discussion of resin glands, these ideas are erroneous. Only a small percentage of the cannabinoids are present in the internal tissues (laticiferous cells) of the plant. Almost all the cannabinoids are contained and manufactured in the resin glands, which cover the outer surfaces of the above-ground plant parts. Cannabinoids remain in the resin glands and are not translocated to other plant parts.
We have heard several claims that leaves from hops grafted on marijuana were psychoactive. Only one such case claimed to be first hand, and we never did see or smoke the material. We doubt these claims. Hops plants do have resin glands similar to those on marijuana, and many of the substances that make up the resin are common to both plants. But of several species and many varieties of hops tested with modern techniques for detecting cannabinoids, no cannabinoids have ever been detected 212.
The commercially valuable component of hops is lupulin, a mildly psychoactive substance used to make beer. To our knowledge, no other known psychoactive substances has been isolated from hops. But since these grafting claims persist, perhaps pot-heads should take a closer look at the hops plant.
Most growers who have tried grafting Cannabis and Humulus are unsuccessful. Compared to many plants, Cannabis does not take grafts easily. Most of the standard grafting techniques you've probably seen for grafting Cannabis simply don't work. For example, at the University of Mississippi, researchers failed to get one successful graft from the sixty that were attempted between Cannabis and Humulus. A method that works about 40 percent of the time is as follows. (Adapted from 205)
Start the hops plants one to two weeks before the marijuana plants. Plant the seeds within six inches of each other or start them in separate six-inch pots. The plants are ready to graft when the seedling are strong (about five and four weeks respectively) but their stem has not lost their soft texture. Make a diagonal incision about halfway through each stem at approximate the same levels (hops is a vine). Insert the cut portions into each other. Seal the graft with cellulose tape, wound string, or other standard grafting materials. In about two weeks, the graft will have taken. Then cut away the unwanted Cannabis top and the hops bottom to complete the graft. Good luck, but don't expect to get high from the hops leaves. {Smoking any plant's leaves will give a short, slight buzz.}

 

[hertz]

Get some grafting powder, and try graft it with a tomato plant. See if you can get thc tomatoes.

 

[shuggy4105]

sounds like alot of hard work,i`ll stick to indoor stealth...

 

[POTUS]

Grafting of MJ to other plants has been attempted and studied by Botanists for decades. As MD.A says below, the only successful grafting was done to hops. The result is simple to explain; the MJ survived the graft and did not share a single thing with the hops plant. The MJ continued to be just as it was on it's own plant and so did the hops. Neither plant adopted any characteristics of the other plant.

It *would* be *so* cool to graft it to an oak tree, or make it grow as fast as bamboo, but we'll have to wait to see what the Botanists think of next.

 

[mal_crane]

Sorry if I wasn't as clear as I should have been. In no way did I mean to graft cannabis to any other plant other than itself. I see value in just being able to graft multiple strains together. For example, If you wanted to grow multiple strains but only have the space for one flowering plant, why not put four or five femmed strains in the ground, veg for a month or so chop the tops off of all but one, and graft the tops onto the last plant in place of its own branches. Now veg your multi-strain plant for at least a couple weeks until the grafts have taken, then throw it under a flowering schedule and voila! You should now have a multiple strained cannabis plant. Correct? ( I mean I know its a little more complicated, thats just my basic explanation.)

I read that the attempt at grafting cannabis to hops was a disaster, and many of the grafts wouldn't even take.