Need ideas for new grow space

[lyfespan]

Well I finally have the new space acquired, now I'm trying to develop the best layout for perpetual growing. Meaning I'm going to need

1. a mother and clone room
2. Veg room
3. I'm hoping for 2 bloom rooms
4. Drying and curing area
5. General work room(transplanting and such)

I have plenty of power, there are several roof penetrations to hookup to for exhausting air(20' ceilings), I will be leaving room for van deliveries at the roll up door.

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I will have a front office/living area in the 14x24area as well.

I will be fine tuning the measurements on here tomorrow, after I properly measure the space. This is just rough overall measurements.

 

[Joe420Camel]

any HVAC in place already?
temp range in your area? like coldest winter temp to hottest summer

lots of height to play with... "too much" (for now)
2 levels when needed but a "ceiling" of some sort for now could provide benefits... only certain areas/rooms



[not exactly sure if/how it would effect my input but...]
Is this 100% legal or ... ?


--->SECURITY<---


"proper" chemical storage area

clean ... cant have the back door open and UPS [NO offence Hamster L.] throwing boxes into your grow room (air)

drainage... lots of water around.. poopoo happens, be ready
electrical runs... UP UP and AWAY from harms reach
air... 2 separate or shared cooling/grow. dehumidify/filter and recycle or swap-in from outside

LED / HPS


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LOTS of Industrial / business stuff here to look @ and get ideas / buy.
http://www.grainger.com/

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[lyfespan]

any HVAC in place already?
temp range in your area? like coldest winter temp to hottest summer

lots of height to play with... "too much" (for now)
2 levels when needed but a "ceiling" of some sort for now could provide benefits... only certain areas/rooms



[not exactly sure if/how it would effect my input but...]
Is this 100% legal or ... ?


--->SECURITY<---


"proper" chemical storage area

clean ... cant have the back door open and UPS [NO offence Hamster L.] throwing boxes into your grow room (air)

drainage... lots of water around.. poopoo happens, be ready
electrical runs... UP UP and AWAY from harms reach
air... 2 separate or shared cooling/grow. dehumidify/filter and recycle or swap-in from outside

LED / HPS


--

LOTS of Industrial / business stuff here to look @ and get ideas / buy.
http://www.grainger.com/

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I'm all legal, nonprofit collective.
Right now I'm just looking to lay the space out, all other logistics will be handled after spaces are set. Yes I have ac, fans lights , I'm in SoCal, and we are heading into winter temps should be staying pretty cool, I have heaters.

Lol at security, yes everything will be all closed up in individual rooms, so I can park a van inside, and receive deliveries, all ele is over head drops, I have water and drains. Plus everything will be on drained tables so I can contain all water.

So far I'm thinking
Veg room 10x14 a crossed from the rr, next to that bloom room 10x14, down the rr side , divide into 3 6x10 rooms.

 

[Joe420Camel]

right on!
never know where the -0- line is these days

big room broken down into sub rooms with hallway connecting

wall placement takes longer than spewing topics out... need a little time

LOL @ security ? ... ... then I suggest plenty of insurance (health and property)
but
-->room layout<-- is the topic and I shall return (on topic)


COOL little online room layout program/sight: http://www.homestyler.com/designer

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[lyfespan]

Security is alarms, and ip webcams

 

[orangesunshine]

I would simply divide space into two rooms one half size for cloning mother and veg...second room double in size for flowering

 

[lyfespan]

I would simply divide space into two rooms one half size for cloning mother and veg...second room double in size for flowering

These are the things I don't think about, how the plants will be the biggest in the bloom room, which will require me to make that area as you said double to my veg room.

Thanx for that heads up.

I'm thinking I will probably use 6-10 1000 watt sun system ACDE fixtures, these are air cooled double ended fixtures. Bloom room size is looking to be 10x14, but I might make it bigger to have walking room all the way around the tables, plus I would like to have all plants off the walls by about 2ft.

 

[orangesunshine]

where's the water rezzy going---maybe consider pvc/speghetti hose with emmitters for watering if your in dirt---think i would also run 2-3' isles down the middle---8 wall mounted oscillating fans---2 rows 4' wide on the sides and 2- 5' middle rows of plants---space the hoods 2' apart on each row---if you have climate control you could skip the air cooled hoods/ducting and use a simple bulb with a bat ray wing type reflector---whats your medium---5 gal hydro buckets would work great here---do you have a drain on a concrete floor

 

[zem]

it sounds a lot like my typical growroom only scaled down like 10x LOL I run 2x400w flowering and i have cloning and vegging in a chamber with 3x36w fluro tubes + 3x23w cfl. I like to close the flowering chambers completely like a box on a table and leave everything else open, this way i have only the required space for flowering where i cannot work easily because of light period constraints, so the rest of the room and the res that waters my flowering plants are all accessible at all times. I placed the vegging and flowering chamber on a shelf and placed another shelf on its top to store things. just next to the veg table is a sink for washing and working with water. i like to use a single fan to ventilate bothe spaces, but on your scale, i guess it will only make sense to make separate venting systems for veg and flowering as i don't see this happening with a single fan with so many watts. place the res under the tables, and utilize all the surface area that you have, make use of height by making shelves on which you can veg or maybe even flower. place sinks and tools in strategic spots for practicality. to me, it's only a fantasy to build such a grow op

 

[lyfespan]

where's the water rezzy going---maybe consider pvc/speghetti hose with emmitters for watering if your in dirt---think i would also run 2-3' isles down the middle---8 wall mounted oscillating fans---2 rows 4' wide on the sides and 2- 5' middle rows of plants---space the hoods 2' apart on each row---if you have climate control you could skip the air cooled hoods/ducting and use a simple bulb with a bat ray wing type reflector---whats your medium---5 gal hydro buckets would work great here---do you have a drain on a concrete floor

I am looking into a RO unit, and will have a 100 gallon res., I'm still going with soil for now, because I think I will have enough to worry about with the climate amend lights as well as babying new unfamiliar strains. I'm hoping for 1 1/2-2 feet of space all the way around the room, as well as isles between the tables. I'm still going with air cooled hoods, I'm in SoCal, and summer will prove to be a challenge trying to keep cool. I will be running watering lines to each plant and will have 4 different phases of flowering in the bloom room, all about 2 weeks apart meaning in going to have to have separate tanks for each of the time frames in flower, ie early bloom, mid, late and flushing. I'm doing the system to get away from hand watering. I will engineer and build a pump and sprink valve timer bank to control the watering. And so far there are no floor drains, but not like I can't plan and put one in, I'm the TI contractor anyway, just gotta pull building permits.

 

[lyfespan]

it sounds a lot like my typical growroom only scaled down like 10x LOL I run 2x400w flowering and i have cloning and vegging in a chamber with 3x36w fluro tubes + 3x23w cfl. I like to close the flowering chambers completely like a box on a table and leave everything else open, this way i have only the required space for flowering where i cannot work easily because of light period constraints, so the rest of the room and the res that waters my flowering plants are all accessible at all times. I placed the vegging and flowering chamber on a shelf and placed another shelf on its top to store things. just next to the veg table is a sink for washing and working with water. i like to use a single fan to ventilate bothe spaces, but on your scale, i guess it will only make sense to make separate venting systems for veg and flowering as i don't see this happening with a single fan with so many watts. place the res under the tables, and utilize all the surface area that you have, make use of height by making shelves on which you can veg or maybe even flower. place sinks and tools in strategic spots for practicality. to me, it's only a fantasy to build such a grow op

Well let your mind run wild man, I'm looking into all possibilities. This will be home for the next year at least, so I want to pre plan for any **, so I don't have to rework **** when it's full of girls.

For air handling I'm looking into a 33000 cfm air handler for my exhausting, and 2 15000 cfm intake fans. Yes you read those right, I'm using commercial equipment that will be roof mounted.

I intend on having shelves for clone trays, as well as for seedlings and younger girls, mothers will have rolling stands for each.

 

[Joe420Camel]

isolation space (room) for incoming clones?

2:1 flower to veg... see, ratios like that are things I don't know being a stealth-cabinet grower.
[but I own a 100k ft2 building of industrial, light manufacturing rental space so I know big(ger) buildings ]

Wall in too much at first and then sub-divide that space into what you are using now and what's just storage for now.
Any "extra" room(s) can be considered flex-space and can change into whatever you need.

Reverse think it... what WON'T/can't be grow space ---> ALL else IS grow space.

[yaya Joe, now draw some walls dude! LOL]

EDIT:
nope still brain-storming, sorry

bringing in outside air bugs me...
filtering/manipulating (RH/temp, Co2/O2 etc) inside air seems "safer" in my mind

 

[lyfespan]

I just ordered all the table and rack makings, everything was being clearances at lowes.

I'm planning on 3- 10'x26" tables in my flower room and 3- 6'x26" for veg, and mothers all with slope, casters, vinyl corrugate sheeting tops and collection drains to take care of excess water.

I got 2 of these http://www.lowes.com/pd_71034-80752-184874C-DS_0__?storeNumber=0769&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%402be22be2%5D&productId=3473479&ipTrail=75.140.23.122for clones and seedlings. I like these because you can hook a t-5 to the underside of each shelf. Again on casters too..

Just had a thought I think I'm going to put double doors on a few of the rooms, for larger accessibility.

 

[orangesunshine]

socal---we be neighbors---if you plan on perpetual grow imo a/c climate control s/b #1 consideration sparing no expense cause we know summer temps will tip 100 real quick ruining a crop---you might also reconsider the r/o water cause the waste from r/o is pretty substantial and may not be needed if the tap is decent---if you do decide to go w/the r/o you might also consider coco instead of soil---i look forward to anything about the new spot you care to share---bigger badder is always better

 

[Joe420Camel]

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**dimensions are "close" @ BEST but its a start

the "garage" area needs refinement... pushed up or down to give max space on the side its NOT on.
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20' tall walls?
insulated "drop-ceiling" enough barrier?
the entire air "pocket" above all the room and hallway ceilings is a MASSIVE heatsink/temp ballast you could circulate into and out of each room (from above) individually while manipulating the large "pool" of air they draw from... which IS separated from the garage by a 20' monster.

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[lyfespan]

socal---we be neighbors---if you plan on perpetual grow imo a/c climate control s/b #1 consideration sparing no expense cause we know summer temps will tip 100 real quick ruining a crop---you might also reconsider the r/o water cause the waste from r/o is pretty substantial and may not be needed if the tap is decent---if you do decide to go w/the r/o you might also consider coco instead of soil---i look forward to anything about the new spot you care to share---bigger badder is always better

Well hello there. Climate control is all handled, I have my own specialist, hell I even have portable cart A/C units. If I have to move or cool air he does all my calcs. I'm done dealing with the water ph issues, and with water paid, the RO unit seems not too expensive. Never gone the coco route, that triple and quad washed stuff gets expensive, like coco connoisseur. I'm not washing 40 bales of coco that's for sure.

I'm taking suggestions to try and make it bigger badder, but efficient as well.

 

[lyfespan]

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**dimensions are "close" @ BEST but its a start

the "garage" area needs refinement... pushed up or down to give max space on the side its NOT on.
:48:


edit
20' tall walls?
insulated "drop-ceiling" enough barrier?
the entire air "pocket" above all the room and hallway ceilings is a MASSIVE heatsink/temp ballast you could circulate into and out of each room (from above) individually while manipulating the large "pool" of air they draw from... which IS separated from the garage by a 20' monster.

This is very close to what I'm drawing up, I am doing a lower ceiling about 12-14 ft, too allow the for the heat buffer zone, I will be exchanging that air separate from the air below, all intake air will be cooled and drawn from lowest points, but that's all for my air specialist to handle.

Average temps in there now is 64-70.

This is my initial trial spot, I will only be here for 1 yr. I hope, lol

 

[orangesunshine]

if you don't use coco or hydro---r/o is not worth the expense---the whole point of r/o is sterile water of which in most cases isn't needed with bagged soil---same as coco---you have 100% control of the water/grow medium compositions---no washing needed for most coco---roots makes a good product with added perlite---botnicare blocs could be added for a better blend with less perlite---you could recycle the coco and your good to go---are you married to a nute line yet???if not check out the heavy 16 line

 

[lyfespan]

if you don't use coco or hydro---r/o is not worth the expense---the whole point of r/o is sterile water of which in most cases isn't needed with bagged soil---same as coco---you have 100% control of the water/grow medium compositions---no washing needed for most coco---roots makes a good product with added perlite---botnicare blocs could be added for a better blend with less perlite---you could recycle the coco and your good to go---are you married to a nute line yet???if not check out the heavy 16 line

I have tons of GH I'm going thru, I'm looking to the APTUS line, and NPK raw. Soil feeding and conditioning are also where I'm headed, and possible a DWC run.

 

[lyfespan]

Ordered the fixtures for the veg room, found some HO T-5 12 lamps, so I got 4, those along with the few other 6 and 8 lamp fixtures, I think my room is covered. But then again 12 lamp fixtures for 170 I could always use more